"Well, I Just Found Another One Of "Them" (ChoppinBroccolli)

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Not so familiar with this particular loon, but "ChoppinBroccoli" sure is a self righteous little pos IMO:

ChoppinBroccoli (844 posts)      Sat Dec-04-10 10:15 PM
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Well, I Just Found Another One Of "Them"
 One of my very good friends is a dyed-in-the-wool, Rush/Hannity/Dr. Laura listening (and parroting), Bush-loving, right-wing mouth-breather. Overall, he's a super nice guy and a good friend, but he just has some really f'ed up views of the world. He and I used to have some knock-down-drag-out debates whenever politics would come up, and I ended up getting the best of him so many times that he simply gave up. He generally won't even bring up political issues around me any more because he knows that he's ill-equipped to argue their merits against me, because I'm more informed and more educated on the issues than most people out there, plus I argue for a living and, if I might toot my own horn for just a moment, I'm damn good at what I do.

First a little background on him. He grew up rich, with a father who was a college professor, and he was handed everything in his life until he was around his mid-20s. His parents paid for his education and everything he needed. They even bought the house next door to theirs when it was put up for sale and allowed him to move into it and live there rent-free after college (the trade-off was that they got to use the front room as their "office" for a home-based business and could come and go as they pleased). He never had to pay a bill while he lived there except for his personal credit card bills. When he bought his first car, he paid for it in cash, so he's never had a car payment. When he got into his late-20s, he decided he wanted to start looking for a career, so he went to school to become a teacher and got a job teaching high school. He has since decided he wants to get his PhD and teach college like his father did, so he's moved off to another State, and I rarely hear from him anymore.

One more little tidbit just to show you what we're dealing with here. When he was still teaching high school, there was an important vote on a school levy for his district. The levy money would have affected him DIRECTLY, because it was one of those desperation levies, that if it didn't pass, they were going to have to start cutting funding for extracurriculars (which he was involved with), classroom extras (which he used a ton of), and they were even threatening to fire some of the teachers of lesser seniority (which would have been him). The night of the election, we were talking on the phone. He asked me if I voted for this and that, and I answered him. Then he asked me if I voted for my school district's levy (I live in a different district from the one where he worked). I told him that I'm big on education, and that despite the fact that my kids were not yet in school, I ALWAYS vote yes on school levies. He told me he voted no on HIS OWN LEVY. When I asked him how he could possibly justify that, he simply said, "Hey, my taxes are high enough." So he voted to cut his own throat KNOWINGLY. This is how deeply ingrained the right-wing ideology is in this guy. It runs so deep that he votes his ideology even when he KNOWS that he, himself is being harmed by it. Whether or not that makes him a "Teabagger" or just your average, run-of-the-mill idiot right-winger, I have no idea, but that's who he is.

OK, fast forward to just recently. I got a phone call from this friend, who is now in Illinois pursuing his education. He moved out to Illinois with his wife and two children to go to school for his Master's, and then his PhD. He's living in his deceased grandmother's house (so, once again, rent-free), but he does have bills now. His wife doesn't work and he doesn't work because he's a full-time student. He called because he needed some legal advice (which I am more than happy to give, but the conversation revealed some very interesting tidbits of information). Over the course of our conversation, I told him that he had kind of a complex legal matter, and that he probably needed to talk to somebody versed in Illinois law in order to get better answers than I was able to give him. He asked if he could go down to Legal Aid and get representation for free. I told him that he could try, but that he would have to "screen" (meaning, he would have to meet their financial requirements), and I figured he probably made too much money to qualify. That's when he laid this little gem on me. He's on public assistance AND gets food stamps. Mr. I Hate Taxes, Mr. The Government Is Too Big, Mr. Get The Government Out Of My Life, Mr. Anti-Socialism, Mr. Welfare Queens And The Unemployed Are Deadbeats is on public assistance. I nearly fell out of my chair. I desperately wanted to point out his hypocrisy to him, but I figured it wasn't the time or place. Besides, this gives me a huge weapon to use the next time he starts in on one of his "no big government" screeds.

So, chalk up another one for people who have run into "them." The ones who bemoan big government, but are still on the dole. You know how every person who is against extending unemployment knows somebody who is cheating the system? It certainly seems from reading this board that pretty much everyone here knows a Teabagger who is accepting taxpayer-funded government services too. Maybe we should start squawking about THAT a little bit louder

[BEG]

You sure are a suck ass friend Choppinbroccoli (and a liar).

[ColonialMarine0431]

Mega bouncy. That one is worth 3.

 

[catsmtrods]

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[jtyangel]

Someone needs to tell idiot there is nothing hypocritical about it, if used AS INTENDED. I don't know all of his friends' issues and I'm a bit likely to side with him considering there are TWO people in the home who could be working and aren't by what seems their own intentions and designs(ie why can't he be both a full time student and a full time dad while his wife works?). Anyway, that's besides the point. I've long accepted a 'waiver' for my autistic son's issues and I'm on a bit of assitance now while going through a divorce, even after getting employment. I do not intend to be on the part unrelated to my son's disability for a lifetime. I caved and finally used it when I didn't even have 20 bucks in the bank account to get milk, bread, and a few other items for the kids because the income was being hoarded on the other side of the equation. I used it as intended and I'm still against those who abuse the system. Nothing hypocritical about that at all when used AS INTENDED. It's a safety net and should be used as such. You don't walk out of the a window 10 stories everyday of your life hoping for a safety net to be at the bottom to catch you, so why would you depend on something like that indefinitely? It's not intended for that and probably one of the reasons it puts such a strain on providing those things as needed.

So, anyone who doesn't believe in abuse of the system and supports limited social services except in the case of extreme disability, but has received some kind of assistance at time is a 'crit now?  Ok...nothing more then an attempt to justify a failed philosophy of a lifetime of gov. care..sorry, I don't believe in that for healthy, capable individuals, but I do believe in looking out for the truly helpless and I do believe in some sort of TEMPORARY(and btw one of the words in the acronyms for one of the programs is TEMPORARY:-P) assistance during lifechanging events or financial crisis if needed.That may even put me at odds with some here, but I expect those individuals probably have other resources whether familial or community to avail themselves of that allow them to take a 'zero tolerance' approach to any type of assistance. Life has sure been a humbling teacher over the years to me and you learn when the chips are down just how solid your family is and who your friends are. 

[franksolich]

Good one, jtyangel.

Awesome, madam.

[Carl]

I would really like this twit to sign up here for a debate/discussion...they would be running away before they even knew what hit them.

[jtyangel]

Good one, jtyangel.

Awesome, madam.

Thank you, frank. I hope you are well!

Carl, I agree with you. I would be one of the ones he considers hypocritical and I'd love to take him to task on this. His approach is an all or nothing one and to be fair we have some on this side who do the same, but there are plenty of people who do not live in 'all or nothing' world, but have limits and expect limits, even if personally placed, on what those programs are intended for. The real dispute here is what were those programs designed for and the difference, it seems, between the liberal and the conservative is that the liberal thinks they were designed as some lifetime support system for the 'down trodden' or some wealth resdistribution plan and anyone who doesn't want to work or imporove themselves is down-trodden and the conservative believes that they are temporary support systems when life hands you a bag of rubbish and you are having a hard time landing out of that bag of rubbish in enough time to make ends meet. Conservatives believe those people generally take lessons from being handed the bag of rubbish and make efforts to make sure that doesn't happen again.

I'm also a conservative who consider severe disabilities like classic autism and severe physical or mental disabilities to be the responsibility of all  of us to help support those individuals. As someone who believes in life no matter what, I have no choice but to take this approach. Life means taking responsibility for the most helpless--if, as a society we support such a view of life, then we need to support it to its ultimate conclusion in the most helpless among us. The problem is that many miscreants and layabouts would like to classify themselves in the same league as a severly autistic individual for example and as the mother of someone with this condition, I find someone like to be disgusting riding on the backs of those who truly can not do for themselves just so they can get some free ticket.

[blitzkrieg_17]

A long, rambling, made-up story. Zero bongs.

[jukin]

Pure 100% total corn fed BULLSHIT.

[Ballygrl]

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ChoppinBroccoli (844 posts)      Sat Dec-04-10 10:15 PM
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Well, I Just Found Another One Of "Them" ...

Here ya go, choppingbroccoli.  Enjoy it, you earned it.

[true_blood]

Mega bouncy. That one is worth 3.

 

I agree with ColonialMark.
3 bouncy idiots.

[delilahmused]

ChoppinBroccoli (844 posts)      Sat Dec-04-10 10:15 PM
Original message
Well, I Just Found Another One Of "Them"
 One of my very good friends is a dyed-in-the-wool, Rush/Hannity/Dr. Laura listening (and parroting), Bush-loving, right-wing mouth-breather. Overall, he's a super nice guy and a good friend, but he just has some really f'ed up views of the world. He and I used to have some knock-down-drag-out debates whenever politics would come up, and I ended up getting the best of him so many times that he simply gave up. He generally won't even bring up political issues around me any more because he knows that he's ill-equipped to argue their merits against me, because I'm more informed and more educated on the issues than most people out there, plus I argue for a living and, if I might toot my own horn for just a moment, I'm damn good at what I do.

Oops! Someone didn't proof their story...how can you JUST find another one if you USED to get into fights about politics. Arrogant prick just illustrated his own stupidity.

Cindie

[Rufus2010]

ChoppinBroccoli (844 posts)      Sat Dec-04-10 10:15 PM
Original message
Well, I Just Found Another One Of "Them"
 One of my very good friends is a dyed-in-the-wool, Rush/Hannity/Dr. Laura listening (and parroting), Bush-loving, right-wing mouth-breather. Overall, he's a super nice guy and a good friend, but he just has some really f'ed up views of the world. He and I used to have some knock-down-drag-out debates whenever politics would come up, and I ended up getting the best of him so many times that he simply gave up. He generally won't even bring up political issues around me any more because he knows that he's ill-equipped to argue their merits against me, because I'm more informed and more educated on the issues than most people out there, plus I argue for a living and, if I might toot my own horn for just a moment, I'm damn good at what I do.

[Evil_Conservative]

That's a novel and can't be bothered to read past the first sentence.

After reviewing the first sentence, the rest of the post is probably a full-blown bouncy.

[JLO]

That's a novel and can't be bothered to read past the first sentence.

After reviewing the first sentence, the rest of the post is probably a full-blown bouncy.

Same for me.