Ban on school bake sales for fund raisers in new bill . . .

[Texacon]

Read above.  You're information and mine are matching but what I posted is a clearer picture.  While yours says 150/year die it is of FOOD ALLERGIES.  My information breaks it out to the peanut.

The airlines did it because they are afraid of a lawsuit.

The helmet manufacturers and parents who don't want their kids being out of place got the helmet laws in place.

KC

[formerlurker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_allergy


I did the headline .... so it will look familiar to those who are overhyping the peanut thing *formerlurker*COUGH*

Now, if you'll take the time to read the rest I think I've made my case.


OMG ... .10 people a YEAR die due to peanut allergies in the US!!!

 

Now tell me why I can't have a peanut on an airplane?

KC

Wow, where did I overhype the peanut allergy?   I think I fully supported my comments.   Can't say the same for you.

Again, ask the airline why you can't eat peanuts on a plane.    Just to flip the conversation a little here -- what makes you so special that you feel you have some sort of right to eat peanuts on a plane?  

[Texacon]

Wow, where did I overhype the peanut allergy?   I think I fully supported my comments.   Can't say the same for you.

Again, ask the airline why you can't eat peanuts on a plane.    Just to flip the conversation a little here -- what makes you so special that you feel you have some sort of right to eat peanuts on a plane?   

Why can I NOT eat a legal food on a plane?  One that used to be provided?  One that is increasingly being banned in schools?

KC

[Texacon]

Alright.  Here's what I got;

This was posted;

Shit, try sending anything to schools right now.  Is it just me or is there a sudden outbreak of Peanut allergies in this country.

By ATJ

Which was followed by;

Yep, that and bee sting allergies. It seems like every 3rd person has one or the other or both. It's all part of the Pussification of America.

By Randy.

You followed with;

So a kid who goes into anaphylactic shock is a sissy?   just needs to toughen up a little? 

So ... unless I'm reading that wrong you think there is a huge problem with nut allergies and bee allergies.

No, it's not funny when anyone goes into any kind of medical emergency BUT you have to look at the frequency.

What several of us have been saying is;  Should the majority be put out because of the very, very, VERY small minority.

KC

[formerlurker]

Here are a few peanut-allergy related statistics accompanied by links to their sources. We encourage you to follow the links for a better understanding of the problem.

Peanut allergy is one of the "Big 8" food allergies that account for 90% of those suffered by 21 million Americans. (AAAAI and FAAN)
More than 3 million people in the United States report being allergic to peanuts, tree nuts or both. (AAAAI)
Approximately 1% of the U.S. population has a peanut allergy (Sicherer, SH, "Prevalence of peanut and tree nut allergy in the US...")
Less than 21% of patients with peanut allergy will outgrow it. (AAAAI)
Peanut Allergy is the most common cause of food related death (AAFA).
Four out of every 100 children have a food allergy. (CDC/NCHS Study, "Food Allergy Among U.S. Children...")
From 1997 to 2007, the prevalence of reported food allergy increased 18% among children under age 18 years. (CDC/NCHS Study, "Food Allergy Among U.S. Children...")
From 2004 to 2006, there were an average of 9,537 hospital discharges per year with a diagnosis related to food allergy among children 0 to 17 years. (CDC/NCHS Study, "Food Allergy Among U.S. Children...")

http://www.peanutallergy.com/statistics-and-facts.html

PEANUT ALLERGY    
Peanut (legume) Allergy can be a life-long allergy affecting approximately 2% of the population. Peanut allergy is one of the most common causes of death due to food allergies. Three things characterize peanut hypersensitivity:

Reactions can be extremely violent and life threatening with just a little exposure to the allergen.
This allergy likely to persist throughout life.
It is often associated with other non-legume allergies (tree nuts, or certain seeds for example) and seed allergy. Peanut and tree nut allergic reactions coexist in one third of peanut allergic patients.
The most commonly reported symptoms seen with this kind of allergy include:  atopic dermatitis (eczema), urticaria (hives), asthma, anaphylactic shock, digestive symptoms.

http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm?id=9&sub=20&cont=517

[formerlurker]

Why can I NOT eat a legal food on a plane?  One that used to be provided?  One that is increasingly being banned in schools?

KC

Ask the private airlines.   For the record, you don't have a right to eat whatever you want on their property/transportation vehicle.   

[formerlurker]

Alright.  Here's what I got;

This was posted;

By ATJ

Which was followed by;

By Randy.

You followed with;

So ... unless I'm reading that wrong you think there is a huge problem with nut allergies and bee allergies.

No, it's not funny when anyone goes into any kind of medical emergency BUT you have to look at the frequency.

What several of us have been saying is;  Should the majority be put out because of the very, very, VERY small minority.

KC

Your statistics refers to death.  So if junior doesn't actually die sitting next to you while you eat the crappy peanuts the airline threw at you, then no harm or foul?   

I have posted data that shows peanut allergies have doubled -- those with severe reactions.  This is concerning.    School districts do what they have to do to protect all students, and the airlines have followed suit.

This doesn't bother me at all.  I have no idea why it bothers you.

[Texacon]

http://www.peanutallergy.com/statistics-and-facts.html

http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm?id=9&sub=20&cont=517

Ok, clarify what you are saying here.  Let me hear what you are really trying to say so I know if I'm taking you 'wrong'.

KC

[formerlurker]

Ok, clarify what you are saying here.  Let me hear what you are really trying to say so I know if I'm taking you 'wrong'.

KC

I did in my post above. 

[Texacon]

Ask the private airlines.   For the record, you don't have a right to eat whatever you want on their property/transportation vehicle.   

I am claiming no such right.  I simply said peanuts used to be provided.  They no longer are.  I even told you why I think they are no longer provided.

KC

[Texacon]

Your statistics refers to death.  So if junior doesn't actually die sitting next to you while you eat the crappy peanuts the airline threw at you, then no harm or foul?   

I have posted data that shows peanut allergies have doubled -- those with severe reactions.  This is concerning.    School districts do what they have to do to protect all students, and the airlines have followed suit.

This doesn't bother me at all.  I have no idea why it bothers you.

Oh my Lord.

Ok, let's say the worst has happened.

OMG!  20 people die EACH YEAR in the US due to peanut allergies!!!

Ok, I doubled the statistics for you.

Feel better?

Now, should 300,000,000 people suffer to save 20?  Should every school in the US ban peanut butter?  Any kind of peanut product?

KC

[formerlurker]

Oh my Lord.

Ok, let's say the worst has happened.

OMG!  20 people die EACH YEAR in the US due to peanut allergies!!!

Ok, I doubled the statistics for you.

Feel better?

Now, should 300,000,000 people suffer to save 20?  Should every school in the US ban peanut butter?  Any kind of peanut product?

KC

As I stated a few times now --  Death shouldn't be the precursor for concern.   The number of people with allergies have doubled, and their reaction is severe.

That warrants action.  

PEANUT ALLERGY    
Peanut (legume) Allergy can be a life-long allergy affecting approximately 2% of the population. Peanut allergy is one of the most common causes of death due to food allergies. Three things characterize peanut hypersensitivity:

Reactions can be extremely violent and life threatening with just a little exposure to the allergen.
This allergy likely to persist throughout life.
It is often associated with other non-legume allergies (tree nuts, or certain seeds for example) and seed allergy. Peanut and tree nut allergic reactions coexist in one third of peanut allergic patients.
The most commonly reported symptoms seen with this kind of allergy include:  atopic dermatitis (eczema), urticaria (hives), asthma, anaphylactic shock, digestive symptoms.

http://www.aafa.org/displ...9&sub=20&cont=517

[formerlurker]

Yes, peanut allergies are real, no question...but, my children's school was declared a "peanut free zone" because of ONE child.  The claim was that the child had a reaction if he/she even SMELLED peanuts.  If that were the case, the child absolutely could not live here...the farmers raise and harvest peanuts.  Obviously, some peanuts break open in the process.  

After some parents went to the school to express their displeasure, especially considering that peanut butter is a fairly cheap staple, the school is now a "peanut aware zone" whatever the hell that means.

Honestly, you don't know if there is only one child as that information is protected, or it should be.   

[Texacon]

We are just going to have to 'agree to disagree' on this.  That "If it only saves one child" stuff doesn't fly with me. 

Happy New Year formerlurker, I'm done with this thread.

KC

[formerlurker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet

I guess between the wussy parents and the helmet manufacturers you end up with laws.   

(note to wussy parents; I don't care if you make your kid wear a helmet just don't overstate the case to me and my kids)

I'll be back with some peanut info in just a minute.

KC

Seeing as death is the important factor for you to consider something important:

Ninety-one percent of bicyclists killed in 2008 reportedly weren't wearing helmets.

http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts_2008/bicycles.html

[Texacon]

Seeing as death is the important factor for you to consider something important:


http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts_2008/bicycles.html

No facts and numbers are so in answer to your post;

I feel sorry for both their families.

KC

[debk]

Something that neither formerlurker and Tex have not mentioned and I think needs to be pointed out....

The airlines no longer provide peanuts and the little snack pack you may still get on some flights are peanut free. You both agree with that point, right?

What hasn't been mentioned is that in any airport shop I've been in since peanuts have been banned from airline snacks....peanuts are sold! They are sold in bags by themselves, they are sold in a variety of candy bars and M&M peanuts, they are sold in bags of trail mix. Peanut butter crackers are sold.

All of the above are sold in shops that are on the inside of the security gates....more importantly - ANY AND ALL SNACKS PURCHASED FROM AIRPORT SHOPS WITHIN THE SECURED AREA MAY BE TAKEN ONTO THE AIRPLANE!!!

NO AIRLINE OFFICIAL stops a passenger from eating those snacks on the plane!!

What also hasn't been mentioned is that peanut butter crackers in the 6 to a cellopak are handed out on the plane!!

The peanut ban on flights....has been publicized to be because of peanut allergies.

I would bet is has to do more with the airlines' bottom line. The trail mix crap in those little packets they hand out now, is CHEAPER than a pack of peanuts to produce. A smaller amount of trail mix - do to the various sizes and shapes - will take up more space in the same size bag than amount of peanuts needed to fill up the same space in the bag.

[Ptarmigan]

Something that neither formerlurker and Tex have not mentioned and I think needs to be pointed out....

The airlines no longer provide peanuts and the little snack pack you may still get on some flights are peanut free. You both agree with that point, right?

What hasn't been mentioned is that in any airport shop I've been in since peanuts have been banned from airline snacks....peanuts are sold! They are sold in bags by themselves, they are sold in a variety of candy bars and M&M peanuts, they are sold in bags of trail mix. Peanut butter crackers are sold.

All of the above are sold in shops that are on the inside of the security gates....more importantly - ANY AND ALL SNACKS PURCHASED FROM AIRPORT SHOPS WITHIN THE SECURED AREA MAY BE TAKEN ONTO THE AIRPLANE!!!

NO AIRLINE OFFICIAL stops a passenger from eating those snacks on the plane!!

What also hasn't been mentioned is that peanut butter crackers in the 6 to a cellopak are handed out on the plane!!

The peanut ban on flights....has been publicized to be because of peanut allergies.

I would bet is has to do more with the airlines' bottom line. The trail mix crap in those little packets they hand out now, is CHEAPER than a pack of peanuts to produce. A smaller amount of trail mix - do to the various sizes and shapes - will take up more space in the same size bag than amount of peanuts needed to fill up the same space in the bag.

Serving free peanuts on airplanes does cost the airlines money. Airliners these days have to cut corners and peanuts was one of them.

[Ptarmigan]

In college, I had to study human growth and development.  There have always been pockets where kids matured much more quickly than most other areas.  There are so many things that play into when kids hit puberty that it's near impossible to point at any one thing as causing this.  I think it's everything you listed plus genetics.

It was mentioned earlier that organic milk doesn't contain the growth hormone found in most supermarket milk today.  In addition to that, we are very careful about the beef and chicken we buy.  Most chicken is heavily laden with hormones, especially chicken breast which is coming from chickens that are under 6 months old.  I raise chickens and even my year old chickens don't have breasts that big!  It's not normal. 

So many factors to consider for why some people hit puberty earlier; genetics, hormones, obesity, environment, etc. I notice some ethnic and racial groups are more likely to hit puberty earlier than others. Yes, food these days have more hormones.

[Ptarmigan]

Yes, peanut allergies are real, no question...but, my children's school was declared a "peanut free zone" because of ONE child.  The claim was that the child had a reaction if he/she even SMELLED peanuts.  If that were the case, the child absolutely could not live here...the farmers raise and harvest peanuts.  Obviously, some peanuts break open in the process. 

After some parents went to the school to express their displeasure, especially considering that peanut butter is a fairly cheap staple, the school is now a "peanut aware zone" whatever the hell that means.

I remember hearing about those bans and even allergy groups were opposed to them.

[AbbyP]

In connection with bake sales, another bill that is added to California's political debate is the SB 185. This is a bill that might permit California public universities to consider non-academic variables in admissions. See it here: California political debate spawns racist bake sale. Though the law is intended to boost diversity in education, some are worried it will also increase discrimination which has been the never ending debate in US.

[VivisMom]

As I stated a few times now --  Death shouldn't be the precursor for concern.   The number of people with allergies have doubled, and their reaction is severe. 

I have food allergies, although they aren't severe enough to cause anaphylaxis. It's nobody else's job to make sure that I don't eat something I'm allergic to; it is MY RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that the food I eat won't make me sick. If I even suspect that something contains (or has even been remotely near) something I am allergic to, I avoid it. I don't tell people they can't eat something, I just try to avoid the food as much as possible.

Is a peanut allergy serious? Yes. Do I think the numbers and severity of peanut allergies is blown out of proportion? HELL YES. Many parents these days won't even allow their kids near peanut butter, for fear that their precious will break out in hives. I gave my kid peanut butter at age one, and the other mommies looked at me like I had grown a second head. Then again, I was also the mom who didn't care if her kid got dirty, or ate food off the floor.

Too many parents are concerned with keeping their kid safe at all costs-knee pads and helmets when biking, bans on jungle gyms, no playing outside. America has become a nation of pussies. Moms wiping every available surface with anti-bacterial wipes, never letting their kids get dirty or run around in the grass-THIS is what is causing the rise in illnesses in our kids. Kids are dirty by nature, trying to keep them pristine and germ-free makes them more susceptible to illness. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that the rise in "allergies" is caused by overparenting.

I have little sympathy for the peanut-free crowd, who insist that peanuts be banned because their darlings have an allergy. I think a LOT of parents go overboard with this, telling people little Maddyssyn will DIE from INHALING THE DUST OF ONE PEANUT!!!!! when in reality she'll only have a reaction if she eats it. If your kid is so allergic, put them in a bubble or homeschool them, don't make everyone suffer to accommodate what you say is your 'special need.'

[Erasmus]

1.   bake sales have been going on for decades to outlaw them is silly and petty.
2.   STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID !!!!!

Yes, we hate it, too.  Only WE didn't vote for stupid fascists like you did.

well I am amazed at how often I see them in favor of removing the rights of others (usually to save us money from health care costs). Don't like something someone else engages in? Ban it.

Your time is limited at DU most likely.  But you're still too @#$%ing stupid to be a libertarian if a democrat limiting someone else's rights amazes you.

[Wineslob]

formerlurker you got one of the 4 or 5 bs's I've given out in all the time I've been here.

Yes, the kid who is afraid of anaphylactic shock needs to toughen up a little.

When I was very young, maybe 8 or 9 it was discovered I was allergic to bees.  HIGHLY allergic.  I had about 15 minutes to get medical attention or that, as they say, was that.

I was in the cub scouts, boy scouts, went camping with my folks, mowed lawns and eventually joined the military (I lied about having no allergies).

I carried an injector with me for years.  I have no idea WHEN I outgrew the allergy but I evidently did. 

Yeah, there is no sense in some of the shit that goes on.  It is all hypersensitivity.  Shit happens.

KC

Had the same issue with bee stings. Didn't have the injector though. I was also very, very allergic to poison oak. If I touched that stuff, I was in for 2-3 weeks of utter misery.  The advent of cortisone pills was a godsend.