Is there a difference between the current Wikileaks and outing Plame?

[Carl]

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ProSense  (1000+ posts)          Sun Nov-28-10 03:53 PM
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Is there a difference between the current Wikileaks and outing Plame?
      

Is one transparency and the other treasonous?

Without a doubt PrononSense is afraid something will turn up that makes O look bad but it sure puts the DUmmies in a conundrum.

Warren Stupidity  (1000+ posts)          Sun Nov-28-10 03:56 PM
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1. yes, and no.

superduperfarleft (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-28-10 03:58 PM
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4. Yes. A HUGE difference. n/t

jpgray  (1000+ posts)          Sun Nov-28-10 04:02 PM
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7. Which of Assange's leaks aims to discredit opposition to a war?

In other words "If I like it it is okay"

Toucano (1000+ posts)          Sun Nov-28-10 04:03 PM
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8. The cables have been redacted of identifying information.
   Plame was outed to silence her husband's important and valid criticism of the Bush invasion of Iraq. The ones with the power selectively shone a light on someone with less power for nefarious purposes.

Wikileaks documents are being released to reveal, enlighten, and inform. The ones with no power shine a light on the actions of the powerful.

laughingliberal  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-28-10 04:03 PM
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9. Yes. nt

TexasObserver  (1000+ posts)          Sun Nov-28-10 04:07 PM
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12. Yes, a huge difference.
   Edited on Sun Nov-28-10 04:10 PM by TexasObserver
Plame was outed as part of a personal vendetta by the top levels of government, targeting a specific CIA agent.

If you need to have it explained to you how that differs from releasing thousands of documents designed to keep everything about the wars secret, then think about why you can't see the difference

librechik  (1000+ posts)          Sun Nov-28-10 04:38 PM
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31. YWhen the powerful hold damaging secrets, it is heroic to expose them
   Like the Emperor's New Clothes or the Pentagon Papers. When the powerful like Cheney use secrets they are entrusted with to destroy the powerless, i.e., political enemies like Plame, that is evil. The fact that Plame was a heroic intelligence officer, and exposing her secrets destroyed her effectiveness for the country, not to mention led to death and chaos, makes it treason.

Exposing the secret crimes of the powerful=heroism and patriotism.
Exposing your own secret operatives in order to protect a lie of the powerful=treachery
   

Even putting aside the fact that Plame was well known to be a paper pusher at the CIA and Joe Wilson was a lightweight it is pretty unsettling to see how easily the far left lets their wishes be the determining factor in any form of justice.
The seeds of tyranny.

[jukin]

This is what happens when one has NO morals....and in these cases, no intelligence.

[zeitgeist]

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Without a doubt PrononSense is afraid something will turn up that makes O look bad but it sure puts the DUmmies in a conundrum.

In other words "If I like it it is okay"

Even putting aside the fact that Plame was well known to be a paper pusher at the CIA and Joe Wilson was a lightweight it is pretty unsettling to see how easily the far left lets their wishes be the determining factor in any form of justice.
The seeds of tyranny.

The only outing done in the Plame affair was the fact that Val was responsible for sending Yellow Cake Joe on a trip out of the country.  There was even a thread at the dump which pretty much admitted the same. But dummies would never let a little thing like the truth to stand in the way of a good Republican bashing.

To a dummy selling out one's country is the highest form of patriotism.  They live in a topsy turvy world.  Always have and always will.  I blame it on their early childhood toilet training, Red Diaper Baby Syndrome, the diaper rash which resulted from sitting in their own feces while their parents debated the merits of Marx, et. al.  

I will have to look for the Plame thread later.  Might be interesting reading for the lurkey turkeys.

[true_blood]

This is what happens when one has NO morals....and in these cases, no intelligence.

You just explained the DUmmies/liberals pretty damn well Jukin.

[zeitgeist]

Previously on the dump:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6259143


This is an older link so I would cut and paste it into a new window rather than click from here.

[txradioguy]

ProSense  (1000+ posts)          Sun Nov-28-10 03:53 PM
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Is there a difference between the current Wikileaks and outing Plame?

My initial thought was..."well if you have to ask..."

But then I realized that this is just par for the course for the DUmmies.

THIS is the true definition of "flexisexual".

DUmmies will contort themselves into any shape required....bend logic however needed and twist reality when necessary to kiss the ass of any and all Democrat Party politician.

[BEG]

leftygolfer (212 posts)           Sun Nov-28-10 06:18 PM
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66. I trust President Obama!
   
I voted for him because I believed he knew what was best for this country. If he says TSA needs to conduct some pat downs, who am I to argue that it doesn't? If he says Wikileaks is wrong and hurtful to the U.S., do you know more than he does about U.S. security? I doubt it. We put trust in him to be the President, he deserves our support.

Mole I hope

[txradioguy]

Found this on the Australian ABC News website:

NY Times defends decision to publish

ELEANOR HALL: The New York Times is one of the international media outlets that agreed to publish some of the Wikileaks documents. Scott Shane is the New York Times national security reporter. He spoke to me from Washington about his paper's decision.

Scott Shane, how is this Wikileaks expose different form the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame on which your paper reported with such outrage?

SCOTT SHANE: Well, I guess I would distinguish between the outrage of the editorial page on one hand which is completely separate from our news operations but as far as I know in these documents that we've posted, there aren't any undercover intelligence operatives who are named.

These are actually a different kind of document. They are secret level documents. Almost everything related to intelligence is top secret.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2010/s3079108.htm


 

[NHSparky]

Is there a difference?  Yes--when one lists their name in a "Who's Who" book and had NO access to classified information, as opposed to dumping MILLIONS of documents on the web which Habibi is currently going through to find moles or spies in their organization...

Frankly, it still amazes me that Assange OR Manning are still breathing.

[JohnnyReb]

Is there a difference?  Yes--when one lists their name in a "Who's Who" book and had NO access to classified information, as opposed to dumping MILLIONS of documents on the web which Habibi is currently going through to find moles or spies in their organization...

Frankly, it still amazes me that Assange OR Manning are still breathing.

All this information being DUmped makes me think that the Obama administration is doing it on purpose.....destroy the USA anyway you can.

[USA4ME]

jpgray

7. Which of Assange's leaks aims to discredit opposition to a war?

Discrediting war opposition is bad, attempting to discredit American war effort against terrorism is good.  Well, at least we know for which side you cheer, traitor.

.

[Godot showed up]

I get SO sick of this "Plame outing" garbage. She was NOT a covert agent. No law broken; no more "outing" went on than that lousy site Blockshopper listing my name with my house (which I hate, but it's legal).

[delilahmused]

Thank God Mr. & Mrs. Plame have had their 5 minutes. I'd say 15 but I shaved off 10 minutes for sheer stupidity.

Cindie

[BlueStateSaint]

All this information being DUmped makes me think that the Obama administration is doing it on purpose.....destroy the USA anyway you can.

Never thought of that angle.

[Godot showed up]

All this information being DUmped makes me think that the Obama administration is doing it on purpose.....destroy the USA anyway you can.

JReb, I've been thinking somewhat along the same lines. The entire Obamite mentality is about being 100% sympathetic to what Assange and company are doing. I'd just been thinking, though, that Obama and his bootlickers were only half-heartedly attempting to stop Wikileaks while giving lip service to "woe is us, oh the documents!"; and that much, at least, seems consistent with what we've seen for months; Wikileaks operates unhindered, not even cyberattacked. But I never did consider that he might be behind this--although this morning it did cross my mind to wonder if Soros might be behind the Wikileaks operation. It's EXACTLY the kind of detest-America project he loves. And it's a bit unthinkable, isn't it, that Obama wouldn't know about that (if Soros is the sugar-daddy), and it's double-unthinkable that Obama would ever cross his master.

Anyway--H5!

[Ptarmigan]

If I recall, Valerie Plame was the one who outed herself. Anyways, Manning should be hanged for treason. 

[thundley4]

This administration can go and shut down file sharing websites, but they can't shut down wikileaks?  Oh wait, Obama is friends with lots of Hollyweird lefties, but not a friend of the US.

[BlueStateSaint]

Manning should be hanged for treason. 

As long as drawing and quartering are included.  He deserves nothing less.

[AllosaursRus]

Toucano (1000+ posts)          Sun Nov-28-10 04:03 PM
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8. The cables have been redacted of identifying information.
   Plame was outed to silence her husband's important and valid criticism of the Bush invasion of Iraq. The ones with the power selectively shone a light on someone with less power for nefarious purposes.

Important and valid criticism? Yer kiddin' right? He made shit up, and tried to sell it to a foreign country in order to get our libs to publish it, since "W" told him to pound sand!!! How the hell do you asswipes consider that to be important? You meant impotent, dincha?

The only thing nefarious about the whole thing was Val pimpin' Joe to the CIA, then claimin' to be a victim!!!!!

[Ptarmigan]

As long as drawing and quartering are included.  He deserves nothing less.

I say expose him to nuclear radiation.

[JohnnyReb]

The news tonight said the leaker may be the same army dude that leaked the other stuff....if so....military trial for treason, a quick verdict, short appeal time and a quick military firing squad.

Bet that leaking shit would slow down some.

[AllosaursRus]

I say expose him to nuclear radiation.

Hell, just hand him over to us! Some of us still consider treason a capitol offense!

Of course we just might be a little more vicious than a firing squad! I know I would be!

But, alas, they can't do that! We now live in a country where you can aid and abet killing thousands and get a mere 10 years because we can't submit witnesses if their info was obtained by a means the libs consider torture.

No one else considers it torture, but hey, we all know we're in Namby Pamby Land now!

[true_blood]

The news tonight said the leaker may be the same army dude that leaked the other stuff....if so....military trial for treason, a quick verdict, short appeal time and a quick military firing squad.

Bet that leaking shit would slow down some.

Yeah, I heard that too Johnny.
I do like your answer to the problem though. And then go "up" the ladder. There's a dude from the Open Society Institute that's involved. George Soros funds the OSI. No surprise there, though.

[docstew]

The news tonight said the leaker may be the same army dude that leaked the other stuff....if so....military trial for treason, a quick verdict, short appeal time and a quick military firing squad.

Bet that leaking shit would slow down some.

Yeah, that's what was thought about the Ft. Bragg sniper.  At least 15 years that dude has sat on death row for literally being caught with a smoking gun in his hands after killing one and wounding many others.

[BlueStateSaint]

military trial for treason, a quick verdict, short appeal time and a quick military firing squad

No.  A "firing squad" and "traitor" do not mix.  Hanging is a traitor's death.

Though, Holder will probably go for life imprisonment.