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JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« on: November 22, 2010, 09:23:09 AM »
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November 22, 1963 the United States of America had a President with Vision   Updated at 8:17 PM
   
Of what the future looks like and what it could be.
Of who each human being is and what each of us is capable of accomplishing.
Of ways to achieve lasting peace on earth and justice for all Americans.



President John F. Kennedy at American University, June 10, 1963

One of the men who knew President Kennedy best was Ted Sorenseon, who passed away this past Halloween -- All Hallowed Souls Eve.

Last year, on March 26, 2009 I had the honor of shaking his hand. Mr. Sorensen spoke at Macomb Community College's Lorenzo Cultural Center about the 1960s. The focus of his remarks concerned three major accomplishments of the Kennedy Administration:

1. Committed the nation to voyage to the moon before the end of the 60s. In the process, the U.S. demonstrated to the world that free people can establish technological pre-eminence in space, peacefully.

They went to the moon and brought back the moonbat

2. Enforced the law that all Americans are equal under the law everywhere in the country, enforcing the integration of universities in Mississippi and Alabama and the integration of the FBI and Secret Service.

Then why do peter puffers want to be in a protected class above everyone else?


3. Kept the peace when almost every member of his cabinet and every four-star in the Pentagon urged the President to launch an attack on Cuba, an action we now know would have immediately led to a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union.

Bay of Pigs ring a bell!

President Kennedy did what was best each time. And he did it all in only 1,036 days.

Imagine if he'd had 1,886 more! I believe he'd have also used them wisely.

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1. Well said...
   
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 02:32 AM by SDuderstadt
we remember JFK on this day and miss him greatly, as we do on so many days.

This is just one of many JFK campfires burning on the island. It's more of a generic topic that I'll address.

Their hero, JFK couldn't get elected in today's climate. He would be labeled a dirty stinking freeper troll. He was a decorated war hero who loved his country. He was also very religious and believed in God. To the socialist left, that was two strikes against him.

When he was addressing the civil rights issue, he was fighting his own party. The KKK was a democrat organization. You had to be a democrat to join. Strike three.

While I was no fan of Kennedy and would never have voted for him (Protestant Irish), no President should have to worry about assassination in this country.

I'm not buying their phony adoration. The DUmbasses should save their grief for the likes of Marx, Lenin and Chairman Mao Tse Tung. The left is more identifiable with those leaders then Kennedy.
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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2010, 09:45:56 AM »
There was no missile gap and when shown in private by Ike that there wasn't, he still continued to tell that lie.

He OK'ed the Bay of Pigs and at the last minute pulled the rug out from under them.

Voter fraud in West Virginia won him the primary and voter fraud in Chicago and Texas won him the presidency.

Fine all round democrat he was. A liar, a cheat and a womanizer.
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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2010, 09:57:20 AM »
I have a childhood friend (met in Boy Scouts) that has been a democrat his whole life. During our first election he voted Carter and I voted Reagan. The guy is no moonbat and works his ass off in his own business. During the summer at a party he told me that "JFK made him a democrat and that Obama has made him a republican.  I bet that there are millions of life long donks that have made the same decision.
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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2010, 10:04:51 AM »
I have a childhood friend (met in Boy Scouts) that has been a democrat his whole life. During our first election he voted Carter and I voted Reagan. The guy is no moonbat and works his ass off in his own business. During the summer at a party he told me that "JFK made him a democrat and that Obama has made him a republican.  I bet that there are millions of life long donks that have made the same decision.
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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2010, 10:49:10 AM »
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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2010, 11:45:21 AM »
JFK would have no home in the democrat party of today.

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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2010, 11:48:49 AM »
There was no missile gap and when shown in private by Ike that there wasn't, he still continued to tell that lie.

He OK'ed the Bay of Pigs and at the last minute pulled the rug out from under them.

Voter fraud in West Virginia won him the primary and voter fraud in Chicago and Texas won him the presidency.

Fine all round democrat he was. A liar, a cheat and a womanizer.

He had some positive attributes, after all he really did believe in the equal rights stuff, it wasn't just a political play but an attempt to do the right thing in the face of stiff opposition (At the same time, it was not something Ike or even Truman had ignored, in fact both had been courageous about it, so Saint JFK was not exactly the inventor of fire or the wheel on this one).

He certainly did demagogue himself into a corner, and then lie rather than admit it, over the missile gap, and it does have to be said that his untimely end closed the book on his accountability for several foreign policy disasters or near disasters, a couple of which could have been apocalyptic if the coin had tipped the other way. 

1.  There were at least two different aspects of the Cuban crisis that could have directly gone nuclear, one from Soviet subs and the other from the Administration's blissfull ignorance that the Soviet general in Cuba had release authority for the missiles if we landed (Which came within an ace of happening). 

2.  The total balls-up over getting Diem knocked off in Viet Nam...proving we're pretty dangerous enemies, but even more dangerous friends.

3.  The Bay of Pigs fiasco.  There's really no excuse for how that was done, and how it played out.

4.  Berlin crisis...a success in a way, while he was alive, but achieved at the cost of a 16-month massive mobilization of the Reserves (In a day when active duty soldiers and airmen were paid next to nothing because they were all draft-age single guys, which was emphatically not the case with the mobilized Reserves, suddenly trying to support families on as little as a tenth of the pay they had been receiving in their civilian jobs prior to mobilization).  It got the Russians to back down in Berlin only in part because they realized Berlin would be a real fight (Which they would still unquestionably win in the short run) if they wanted it, and not a bloodless political victory...after burning one of our most vital moles to find out they weren't willing to go nuclear over Berlin, it has to be said.  The episode made them realize JFK was actually willing to screw over the entire US economy for a year rather than signal any unwillingness to go to full mobilization, or war if it came to that.  The terrible long-term unintended consequences of this almost-forgotten event (The large-scale mobilization, not the Berlin crisis itself) then directly shaped the decision NOT to mobilize any significant reserve component ground combat units for Viet Nam, which is widely regarded as resulting in both breaking the selective service system and destroying any illusion that we were seriously committed to winning that war.  The reserves were in fact left in a completely broke-dick condition until the late 1980s when Reagan's team (And to give the Devil its due, Congress) got around to coming up with a better plan and fixing them into something useful, instead of just being an equipment and parts reservoir for the active component forces to plunder at need.

Really a lot of screwing up in a year and a half, when you get down to it.   
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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2010, 02:30:12 PM »
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2.  The total balls-up over getting Diem knocked off in Viet Nam...proving we're pretty dangerous enemies, but even more dangerous friends.

Diem's corpse wasn't even cold yet when JFK was assassinated.. I always figured it was instant Karma.

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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2010, 07:35:34 PM »
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Really a lot of screwing up in a year and a half, when you get down to it.

And people forget that in his meeting with Khrushchev, Kennedy come off looking like an amateur.

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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2010, 03:26:19 AM »
JFK would have no home in the democrat party of today.

Nope.  Not when you look at the tax cuts he enacted....the fact he was a Hawk on national defense and that he really got the ball rolling in Vet Nam.

Considering how the DUmmies feel about the School of the Americas I'm surprised they talk so nicely about him.
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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2010, 08:06:26 AM »
I have a childhood friend (met in Boy Scouts) that has been a democrat his whole life. During our first election he voted Carter and I voted Reagan. The guy is no moonbat and works his ass off in his own business. During the summer at a party he told me that "JFK made him a democrat and that Obama has made him a republican.  I bet that there are millions of life long donks that have made the same decision.

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Re: JFK a President with a vision- a generic campfire
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2010, 09:39:49 AM »
Everyone in the store started clapping and cheering. A biker chick flashed us her boobiez.
And then a cop jumped out of the bushes and tazed a black kid.

 :-)

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