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Yes, liberals are statist totalitarians
« on: November 18, 2010, 09:47:37 AM »
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totodeinhere  (1000+ posts)       Thu Nov-18-10 03:44 AM
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Senator Rockefeller: Eliminating MSNBC, Fox News ‘Would Be a Big Favor to Political Discourse’
 Source: New York Times

In a U.S. Senate hearing about the retransmission consent laws, Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) said that getting the FCC to step in and take some sort of action against Fox News Channel and MSNBC “would be a big favor to political discourse; to our ability to do our work here in Congress; and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and, more importantly, in their future.”

Read more: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/senator-rockefeller...


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Again here we have an attempt to lump Fox News and MSNBC together. 

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Hawkeye-X  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 03:46 AM
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1. Yo. Faux is not a legitimate news source
 MSNBC somewhat gets it, so don't lump them together.

If anything at all, Faux should be kicked off the air, permanently.

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Celeborn Skywalker  (1000+ posts)      Thu Nov-18-10 03:46 AM
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2. I hate to say it
 but, even though MSNBC and Fox News are in no way remotely equivalent, I would sacrifice MSNBC if it meant that the poison that is Fox News is taken off the air. Then again, I doubt any of that is constitutional so it's a moot point anyway.

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yurbud  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 07:33 AM
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43. the right would still have nearly all of talk radio
 and the progressive presence there is pretty slim.

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AlbertCat  (1000+ posts)     Thu Nov-18-10 05:22 AM
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27. how is it any different from Faux
 Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 05:23 AM by AlbertCat
Any idiot can see the difference. [Yes, but you people are a special breed of idiots. --MSB]

Fox... lies and more lies. Part of the right wing.

MSNBC.... no lies and mistakes are corrected. Not part of any political party.


And, as Rachel said.... that "silly" Olbermann thing PROVES that MSNBC is not Fox News.


Boy did you miss the boat! Pay attention.

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JDPriestly  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 06:10 AM
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34. Scarborough is on forever in the morning, and someone claims that MSNBC
 is like Fox News.

This is yet another attempt to equate Fox with something just to avoid seeming to be biased.

Fox is bad. It's downright evil.

MSNBC is not evil. MSNBC does not advocate violence. Fox does.

Rockefeller is an establishment Democrat. He does not want to have MSNBC tell the truth about what goes on in Congress -- which is the mediocrity of the middle. 

Bull-****ing-shit on both counts.

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JDPriestly  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 06:11 AM
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35. Wolf Blitzer is a biased Republican.
 It is very obvious to see that. 

Then there's this freeper troll:

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mikesm (28 posts)      Thu Nov-18-10 04:09 AM
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12. We can't silence speech even if we don't like it
 Sen. Rockefeller doesn't get it. You can't silence speech just because you don't like how it inconveniences you. If you look at his voting record, you can see that he's been criticized on both Faux News and MSNBC, albeit for different issues. He's a corporatist and is happy to sell out the Dem base.

If he gets his way, what's next? Mandatory Internet filtering? How about being honest Sen. Rockefeller? Why not just say you should take anyone off the air that disagrees with you or makes you look bad when they point out stupid things you regularly say and do?

Faux news is best fought with the truth rather than censorship. If Rockefeller had a spine he'd be able to do that too.

You'll notice the low post count.

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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts)     Thu Nov-18-10 04:23 AM
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15. "Rockefeller doesn't get it" Sadly, many here at D.U. don't either. 
 Popular speech doesn't need protecting does it?

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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts)     Thu Nov-18-10 04:23 AM
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15. "Rockefeller doesn't get it" Sadly, many here at D.U. don't either. 
 Popular speech doesn't need protecting does it?
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defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 04:25 AM
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18. Thanks in large part to Jon Stewart -- !!
 "The only way for a woman to know herself as a person is by creative work of her own"


Apparently D&P has taken the day off from UFO spotting.

 
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AlbertCat  (1000+ posts)     Thu Nov-18-10 05:28 AM
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28.  Sadly, many here at D.U. don't either. 
 I'd be satisfied if they just made it so "Fox News" couldn't advertise itself as "news"....because it's not...


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Wednesdays  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 06:05 AM
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31. Sure, people like Hannity and Limbaugh have a right to their free speech
 But there's nothing in the Constitution that guarantees them a monopoly on 100-megawatt stations to broadcast it!

They aren't stopping you from getting your own station. Monopolies were broken up because they had the power to force out cometitiors. It's not Limbaugh's fault nobody buys what you're peddling.

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defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 04:24 AM
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16. Yes -- another attempt to make MSNBC synonymous with Fox News ....
 and it's wrong -- evidently in the am there are many right wing shows --

but by 6pm Schultz is on ...

Schultz, 8pm Olbermann -- Maddow -- O'Donnell a few nights or is that a regular now?

And these people have only been at this ... Olbermann about 4 years ... and Maddow 3?

Schultz 2 years --

And, how long has Fox been at this?

And, Limbaugh and Beck? Limbaugh for decades with no response from the left!!

You dipshits did try. You even went to far as to steal taxpayer money from the Gloria Wise B&G Club to prop-up your pathetic effort to play with the big dogs. Instead of prosecuting you elected the thief to the senate.

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verges  (1000+ posts)      Thu Nov-18-10 04:30 AM
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19. I honestly believe that
 ifFox were to disappear right now, MSNBC would rapidly tone down and drift more towards straight journalism. If MSNBC were to disappear right now, Fox woulod continue to spew their venomous lies. 

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JDPriestly  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 06:07 AM
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32. So the Fourth Amendment and parts of the Fifth Amendment have been
 decimated, and now Senator Rockefeller wants to start on the First Amendment.

I thought he took an oath to uphold the Constitution.

Do I like Fox News? No.

But Senator Rockefeller should not take an oath to uphold the Constitution and then make comments that suggest that he wants to limit speech based on its political content.

If the Congress wants to do something about improving the press, they need to end the laws that permit a media source like Fox News, Clear Channel and other similar huge conglomerates from owning more than a certain number of TV and radio stations.

MSNBC is the only liberal news source that we have. If Fox News and MSNBC did not exist, we would invent them.

Besides, Rush Limbaugh and the umpteen-million right-wing, fanatical talk show hosts that monopolize the radio airwaves are also divisive.

Fox News's story about Acorn was demonstrably false and Fox should have known it was false. A minimal amount of factchecking would have determined that it was false, but has Acorn sued any of the people who prepared, edited, wrote, broadcast the falsehoods for defamation?

I don't think so. And, yes, in some circumstances, you can sue the news media. They cannot just recklessly repeat or report obvious lies. The Acorn story was clearly a lie, and a rather unbelievable one to boot. 

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Re: Yes, liberals are statist totalitarians
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 10:19:10 AM »
Delusional
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Re: Yes, liberals are statist totalitarians
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 10:29:31 AM »
Quote from: BEG on November 18, 2010, 10:19:10 AM
Delusional
Be that as it may: MSNBC is a rancid a POS network as one might hope to find. Yet, the conservative voices howling to reinstate the Fairness Doctoring or pulling their FCC license are all but non-existent.

It isn't about accuracy or objectivity or fairness or balance.

It's about freedom.

I know you know this, BEG and forgive me if I sound lecturing but between the TSA, Rockafeltup, Happy Meal bans etc etc etc I'm of the opinion we need to raise the volume on these assholes hard and fast with one loud, resounding, "NO!"
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Re: Yes, liberals are statist totalitarians
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 10:46:23 AM »
The link provided by the DUmmies shows me "not found", but was advertising that Sean Hannity was looking for a Producer.  Anyway, I went to RealClearPolitics and watched it.  921 comments (so far) followed, with only one, a douchebag from Canada, supporting Jay Rockefeller.  

Should be interesting to watch the blowback on this.  People are some pissed off. 

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Re: Yes, liberals are statist totalitarians
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 10:47:33 AM »
And in other news, Al Sharpton is trying to get the FCC to take Rush off the air because he is a racist. Video Here.
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Re: Yes, liberals are statist totalitarians
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 10:53:11 AM »
You know you have the best solutions and answers when you have to shut up your critics.

These are the people that scared our founding fathers and why the First Amendment is the first amendment.
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Re: Yes, liberals are statist totalitarians
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 11:40:08 AM »
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JDPriestly  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-18-10 06:10 AM
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34. Scarborough is on forever in the morning, and someone claims that MSNBC is like Fox News. This is yet another attempt to equate Fox with something just to avoid seeming to be biased. Fox is bad. It's downright evil. MSNBC is not evil. MSNBC does not advocate violence. Fox does. Rockefeller is an establishment Democrat. He does not want to have MSNBC tell the truth about what goes on in Congress -- which is the mediocrity of the middle.
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Re: Yes, liberals are statist totalitarians
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 02:46:54 PM »
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MSNBC does not advocate violence. Fox does.
  Give me one example, DUmmie.  OTOH, Wasn't Ted Rall on MSNBC?  Violent revolution, anyone? 
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