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Offline franksolich

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testing for senility
« on: November 16, 2010, 06:13:41 PM »
I'm wondering if there's some sort of medical test that can be done to determine hardening of the cerebral arteries; it's probably on the internet somewhere, but I'd just as soon hear from members, some of whom are at that age where they have to deal with this issue, usually in regards to their elderly parents.

This is not a request for medical advice, especially since I'm gong to be seeing a physician about it right after Thanksgiving anyway, but at the moment I'm grasping for insight.

For the past several months, many people who know me in real life insist that I am "missing" more and more things; that there seems to be some "blank spots" in my "awareness." 

At first, I brushed this off.  I'm deaf; it's a "given" that I'm going to "miss" things.

This issue was first brought up in April, when I "missed" something ordered by a physician, the result being that what could have been a mere $2,000 medical bill turned out to be more than $9,000.

After other such incidences, and a long introspective, I've concluded that possibly such critics of myself are right, and something needs checked out.  Upon closer examination, and thought about, certain things, some of this can not be ascribed to simple deafness; I seem to be "missing" things for a reason unrelated to that I don't hear them.

First, a broad and general overview of my current situation; I have to be as vague as possible, because this is the internet, and primitives might catch this, and read it.  Single male, born somewhere halfway between the CalPig primitive (1942) and the Bostonian Drunkard (1971).  Tall, light build, physically stronger and more agile than most people.  Graduate of the University of Nebraska.  Came from a good (and large) family, born at the tail end of it when the parents were already well into middle-age, and am the last-surviving of them.  Have six nephews, three of them married with children, and the youngest one still in college.  Our relations are warm, but not close.

The parents, brothers, and sisters all died in middle age (my mother, for example, at the age of 56), excepting my younger brother, two years younger than myself, who died at 17 years from an automobile accident.  All the others died of natural causes due to the afflictions and ailments of affluence; the too-easy life.

A cup that has been passed from these lips; I have yet to display any symptoms of those things that brought about their own demises.  All my adult life, the blood pressure has ranged 110-100/65-55, the blood sugar 108-112, the cholesterol I never remember, other than that I am told "it's very low, don't worry about it" (the number's told me, but I forget to remember it), and no problems with weight.

Heavy drinker between the ages of 17 and 23; while in college and shortly thereafter imbibed somewhat in marijuana and dabbled oh-so-lightly in "hash," but nothing coming even remotely close to the degree in which my peers were involved.  I just didn't care much for it.

No problems with any of the vital organs, never even a backache.

No pharmaceutical drugs (see below, however).

The only significant hospitalizations have been for physical injuries (also twice for pneumonia); it's possible I've broken every bone in this body at least once, but that's a hazard of being deaf.  One isn't clumsy or inept or accident-prone or anything like that; it's just that one is unaware of perils of which hearing people are very aware.

In August-September 2009--more than a year ago--for about 60 days was taking 2.5 mg Amlodipine once a day; they had been prescribed after the ulcer in the throat broke open.  I said I didn't need it, but deferred to medical opinion.  When it was time to renew it, my regular physician asked, "why are you taking this?" and it was dropped.  In my whole entire life, other than that one incident, the only other prescription drug I've ever taken was real penicillin (not the chemical antibiotics; the real stuff).....but alas that, probably somewhat more than "normal," like six times every five or so years.

As some here know, I am very well-acquainted with my own family history, going back six generations; the English, Scots, and Welsh from the side of my father, the Brandenburgian and Slovakian-Hebraic from my mother.  I am awash in all sorts of information about these long-ago people (who after all were very interesting), and of course know what their general condition in life had been, and the causes of their demises.

(The most obvious lesson from them all that is the harder the lives they had, the longer they lived.)

Although I inherited the superficial physical characteristics of my father's Welsh ancestors, it's been sort of evident at times that I inherited the genetics of my mother's Slovakian-Hebraic ancestors, their major problem with health in their lives being.....living a very long life, but lapsing into utter senility towards the end of middle age.

Not Alzeimer's or something like that; just plain old-fashioned senescence.

Beginning in childhood, I watched as step-by-step, these most interesting people with distinctively-leonine features slowly faded into a world that only they knew.  This was easy to observe, because most of the family were medical professionals, and as the old ones deteriorated, they were still kept at home, and cared for there.

And so I'm wondering, and hoping to find out after Thanksgiving.

Such comments made the past six months about my "missing" things have not been maliciously-meant or unkind, usually being padded with additions such as, "well, you've always lived such a rough-and-tumble life," or "well, it's obvious you're highly stressed," or "well, smoking like a chimney might have something to do with it."

I am wondering about the last, the smoking part.  As mentioned earlier, I seem to have been spared the afflictions--after all, medical science is not perfect, and while it can determine something generally, it's impossible to determine all specific things--that arise from that.  I do indeed smoke like a chimney, compulsively, obsessively, always smoking, a cigarette dangling from my lips even when working.

That, I suppose, is an informal "tranquilizer;" without it, I would probably be chewing on the ceilings in vexation.

It's never been easy, pretending to be a hearing person.  I'm sure I was born with the acting talents of John Barrymore, but it still drains one, wipes one out after even the most innocuous encounter.

At the moment, I'm soliciting comments and insight from those who've had to deal with this issue, usually with their ancient parents; how did one first notice the onset of senility, and how was it treated?
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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 06:23:02 PM »
I would venture to say that you're not going senile. You're far too young for that. It MIGHT be an adverse reaction to the medications. It just might simply be that your pre-occupied with other things. The only time I have really missed things was when my Neuro put me on Neurontin. I took it for three days and lost a week of my life.  Since you smoke, I would look at some vitamin B supplements, as smoking depletes or minimizes vitamin B absorption.  I would also look at the possibility of depression setting in.

FYI, there was a time in my life that it wasn't beyond me to put down a fifth of whiskey in an evening. I did that for a number of years. I THINK I still possess the majority of my faculties.
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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 06:58:06 PM »
Be aware Frank that you have set a standard of great awareness and intellect.
That isn`t false flattery but a matter of fact and probably in part due to your deafness.

Hence what it may seem to some YOU are "missing" are things none of the rest of us would have ever noticed or caught in the first place.

Take care of yourself and there was last years issue so take nothing for granted but be aware you have set a pretty high standard and life will eventually slow us all down.

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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 07:01:55 PM »
I have found as I get older that many of the excesses of youth which I thought had long been paid are actually only now coming due.  Yes, that broken arm does bother me now when the damp weather comes in.  And some mornings I find there are aches and pains I never had before.  I was amazed to have one doctor ask if I had ever been in an auto accident.  Yep, and it was forty years earlier.  

Sometimes I forget to remember.  I write more things down (and sometimes even find the notes).  I carry a small notebook but then I always did.  I don't always hear what is said but now ask people to repeat things or cup my ear. I probably should remember to wear my hearing aid more often.

I am currently keeping an eye on one cousin ten or more years my senior who I suspect is slipping.  Almost all my other relatives and siblings are gone.  Two maternal aunts had dementia but not until well into their nineties. It was a gradual thing at first which rapidly progressed.  It may be that my cousin is going down that road or it may be a drug interaction from medical treatments.  

I am sure there are evaluations which can be done for cognitive function.  I am not so sure Obama care will pay for them.

  

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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2010, 11:26:05 AM »
The "Mini Mental".

Basically remember these three things - numbers, words, names.

  What day is it?
  Where are you?

Several other questions
Then, what where the three words I ask you to remember?

It got to the point that Dad would write the words down in he's notebook.

With Dad in one home and Mom in another, senility/ Alzheimer's is also a concern of mine.

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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 04:33:45 PM »
Since your writing abilities are unaffected, it's doubtful there's any real problem. I'd look at anything that's preoccupying your thoughts/mind, which, given your prolific endeavours, is highly likely. Some things just aren't THAT important to you, IE: nonchalant.
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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 06:34:54 PM »
The Doctor told my Mom she had Dementia. She did not. She remembered everything to the day she died. He did not like her so he was mean to her. He later shot himself.. I on the other hand partied quite well for many many years. The toll is my memory and of course grammar as you all can tell by my posts.  I write notes to myself and lately have been playing a game at night trying to think of something to look up or do without writing it down.


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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 06:41:55 AM »

With Dad in one home and Mom in another, senility/ Alzheimer's is also a concern of mine.


At least my parents spent their last days together in the nursing home. They couldn't take care of themselves but each worried about and tried to take care of the other.

Mother was senile due to lack of blood flow to the brain and died of heart failure. Daddy had Alzheimer's and died of a stroke.

So Frank, you're getting older and to loose a little mental capacity is to be expected....Now about that smoking, I saw a study that said nicotine helped fight the advance of Alzheimer's and senility. Do I believe that? I don't know but daddy quit smoking about the time his memory started to go. I smoke and still have a fair memory but it's nothing like it used to be. As a friend said about making mental notes, "Forget it. You have nothing to write on."... :lmao:
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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 04:27:25 PM »
I would venture to say that you're not going senile. You're far too young for that. It MIGHT be an adverse reaction to the medications. It just might simply be that your pre-occupied with other things. The only time I have really missed things was when my Neuro put me on Neurontin. I took it for three days and lost a week of my life.  Since you smoke, I would look at some vitamin B supplements, as smoking depletes or minimizes vitamin B absorption.  I would also look at the possibility of depression setting in.

FYI, there was a time in my life that it wasn't beyond me to put down a fifth of whiskey in an evening. I did that for a number of years. I THINK I still possess the majority of my faculties.

Thor, unfortunately relative youth isn't a guarantee of mental agility.  My beloved mother died in 1998, just a few months shy of her 61st birthday, of early onset Alzheimer's.  Since I am now 52, HER age at onset, I am freaking paranoid as hell.
It starts out insiduously, and since hubby and I were in Germany during those years, I missed the warning signs.  When we returned (the second time) in 1991 and went to visit and she asked who my baby son was, oh Lord, that was such an indicator even though hubby and both my sisters were in denial.  There apparently are tests out there to measure whether or not one is descending into Alzheimers, or carries the marker, but I know there is no cure so would rather not know.
When a parent develops early onset Alzheimers there is a 25% increased risk of the children acquiring the malady.  For older folks, there is no correlation between Alzheimers in the parents and children.

I hope you are okay, Frank.  Hell, I hope I'm okay as well.  Having watched Mo descend into the pits of hell, it's not a disease I would wish upon anyone. :bawl: :bawl:
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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2011, 04:59:43 PM »
Thor, unfortunately relative youth isn't a guarantee of mental agility.  My beloved mother died in 1998, just a few months shy of her 61st birthday, of early onset Alzheimer's.  Since I am now 52, HER age at onset, I am freaking paranoid as hell.
It starts out insiduously, and since hubby and I were in Germany during those years, I missed the warning signs.  When we returned (the second time) in 1991 and went to visit and she asked who my baby son was, oh Lord, that was such an indicator even though hubby and both my sisters were in denial.  There apparently are tests out there to measure whether or not one is descending into Alzheimers, or carries the marker, but I know there is no cure so would rather not know.
When a parent develops early onset Alzheimers there is a 25% increased risk of the children acquiring the malady.  For older folks, there is no correlation between Alzheimers in the parents and children.

I hope you are okay, Frank.  Hell, I hope I'm okay as well.  Having watched Mo descend into the pits of hell, it's not a disease I would wish upon anyone. :bawl: :bawl:

My grandfather was recently diagnosed with Alzheimers, and it is really difficult.  He doesn't recognize my grandmother hardly at all, even though he seems to be all there in other ways.  He mentioned the other day that he was going to go across their street to see their neighbor, who has lived on the same street as them for over 30 years, to see if she could help him find his wife.  :bawl:

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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2011, 05:32:55 PM »
My grandfather was recently diagnosed with Alzheimers, and it is really difficult.  He doesn't recognize my grandmother hardly at all, even though he seems to be all there in other ways.  He mentioned the other day that he was going to go across their street to see their neighbor, who has lived on the same street as them for over 30 years, to see if she could help him find his wife.  :bawl:

So sorry, Celtic Rose, and prayers for all of you.  Alzheimers is the hardest on families; after awhile the victims don't know anything is wrong.  My mom's last comment to me was, oh, so you are the one who reads all the time.  My whole life with her reduced to one sentence. :bawl:
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Re: testing for senility
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2011, 10:22:14 PM »
Frank, I was wondering if you ever found anything out.

 I would think a person with your talent wouldn't come to know senility so early in life. You do give your brain a workout. I would like to say, if you take any medicines, its possible that some of them could cause some (what we call at the store as foggy brain). Check your side effects.

Other things that can cause foggy brain is chronic stress,poor circulation,heavy metal toxicity,or nutrient deficiencies.The brain is made up of 60% of EFA's which you can get from fish,avocados,nuts,and seeds. Other food that help are:sprouts,eggs,olives and the oil,beans. The DHA foods you need for brain health are:sea greens,leafy greens, and shell fish. The lack of protein,potassium or other minerals can cause mental burnout. Avoid fats, trans fats and sugary food. Your thyroid can also cause this to happen.

Sharpen the brain with acetyl-L-carnitine,B vitamins with extra B12, and omega 3 oils.

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