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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2010, 01:14:56 PM »
The money Karl Rove raised came from somewhere and someone.

In any regards, I admire the GOP for being a much higher class of criminals than the democrats.  Democrats fight over small piles of shit money.  Republicans dream big.

I hold both with equal disdain.   I think the GOP steals more, but they don't have the audacity to run on populist rhetoric.


No you don't hold both parties to equal disdain.  This has already been proven to be a lie the last time you were here.

All you've done and are continuing to do is to find a more fancy way to say it's "Bush's Fault".

That's all you're doing and all you will ever do when it comes to the discussion of politics.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2010, 01:16:35 PM »

No you don't hold both parties to equal disdain.  This has already been proven to be a lie the last time you were here.

All you've done and are continuing to do is to find a more fancy way to say it's "Bush's Fault".

That's all you're doing and all you will ever do when it comes to the discussion of politics.



I actually hold Barack Obama with slightly more disdain than Bush.

Bush was at least upfront with his plans for the most part so you had sometime to comment on why you thought it was or was not a disaster in the making.

Barack you find out what the policy is as it is being implemented.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2010, 01:29:44 PM »
I actually hold Barack Obama with slightly more disdain than Bush.

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I'm gonna cut to the chase here........

I can bring over a myriad of quotations from you directly that establish, beyond a doubt, where your political loyalties are..........literally hundreds of quotes from your own keyboard.

When we consider this, we have to ask ourselves the obvious question......why are you here??  For what practical purpose are you posting in a Conservative forum, attempting to establish the impression that you are rational, and an independent political thinker, when there are simply thousands of your own words out there that prove that is not the case.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2010, 01:58:34 PM »
I'm gonna cut to the chase here........

I can bring over a myriad of quotations from you directly that establish, beyond a doubt, where your political loyalties are..........literally hundreds of quotes from your own keyboard.

When we consider this, we have to ask ourselves the obvious question......why are you here??  For what practical purpose are you posting in a Conservative forum, attempting to establish the impression that you are rational, and an independent political thinker, when there are simply thousands of your own words out there that prove that is not the case.

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I may be a "liberal" on more than a few issues, however I view the current political debate to not really have that much of an ideological nature and thus even the labels are silly.

I wrote the word syphilis would be preferable in more than a few races this November.

Now, I will be perfectly honest with you that I have no intention of voting for the candidates you like, however just because I don't like the republicans, doesn't necessarily mean that I embrace the democratic party.

Frankly, if you read most of my recent postings I think the country is up shits creak without a paddle due to 30 years of mismanagement.

I hope I'm proven wrong.  Nothing would please me more than when Obama gets shown the door there is a competent leader that can restore economic stability, encourage capital formation, and enforce the rule of law.

However, what I think will happen is another political thug no better than Obama will take power, loot the US Treasury further rewarding their chosen friends.

If you elect a candidate that enforces the rule of law and appoints a central banker that understands how you actually encourage growth in an economy and forces congress to spend within their means on everything, including defense by eliminating pet projects congresscritters want for their districts.

I will gladly change my voter registration to Republican.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2010, 03:24:01 PM »
I may be a "liberal" on more than a few issues, however I view the current political debate to not really have that much of an ideological nature and thus even the labels are silly.

Unfortunately, America has a two party form of government.........therefore, you HAVE to choose a side. You don't get to sit in the "middle", and throw rocks at everyone.

Straddling the fence until your shorts rip isn't a political strategy that will do much more than isolate you in the grand scheme of things.  That said, we have no "ideological test" here for membership, and have several members who are liberal in more than a few areas.........they tend to avoid the political discussions, and get along just fine.

I suppose that my concern is that every time you appear, there are an inordinate number pf "guests" that are hanging on every word that is posted in the threads that you frequent.......suffice it to say that makes your occasional appearances somewhat suspicious, and your motives questionable.

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Now, I will be perfectly honest with you that I have no intention of voting for the candidates you like, however just because I don't like the republicans, doesn't necessarily mean that I embrace the democratic party.

Which again begs the question of why come here??  You're pissed at the Democrats, and won't vote for a Republican for ideological reasons.......it therefore seems illogical that you would want to even be here, except to piss and moan.......perhaps because the liberal forums that you would LIKE to frequent will tolerate no dissent, and offer you no opportunity to vent.

Bringing us to the conclusion that you just want a venue that actually respects "Freedom of Speech", which you can utilize to expound on how disastrous the state of American politics is, from your perspective.......you are using us.

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Frankly, if you read most of my recent postings I think the country is up shits creak without a paddle due to 30 years of mismanagement.

I would opine that its been longer than that.......however, you never seem to mention that for the vast bulk of that period of time, the people in power (regardless of party) that have been responsible for that mismanagement has come from the liberal side of the political spectrum.

I guess I'm waiting for you to admit the fact that liberalism (as we know it) doesn't work, and has failed every time it has been attempted, and in every area that it has been attempted.

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If you elect a candidate that enforces the rule of law and appoints a central banker that understands how you actually encourage growth in an economy and forces congress to spend within their means on everything, including defense by eliminating pet projects congresscritters want for their districts.

I will gladly change my voter registration to Republican.


Well.......I listened to a large group of incoming Republican freshmen speak today, and what they unanimously state is that they plan to do just that........it is however very doubtful that you either voted for, or ever would support any of them........this kinda makes you a hypocrite........not to put too fine a point on it.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2010, 03:34:44 PM »
Not really a hypocrite, when presented with the what you consider two evils, you always have the choice to say no to either evil and do nothing.

There were 3 races I voted for Syphilis in.

The most awful of the races was the choice of a corrupt lawyer, I know is corrupt because they live down the street from  me and are a total asshole.  The other choice was an incumbent whose wife is an active lobbyist who lobbies her own husband.

The other two races were not as bad at that one, but when given the choice, I can write in whatever I want or not vote.  Hell over 56% of my fellow countrymen picked the no vote option.

Frankly the fact that a whole bunch of new people are promising to be the most ethical and transparent congress ever and won't grow the deficit is something I've heard rather recently.

Show me the money.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2010, 03:44:44 PM »
Not really a hypocrite, when presented with the what you consider two evils, you always have the choice to say no to either evil and do nothing.

There were 3 races I voted for Syphilis in.

The most awful of the races was the choice of a corrupt lawyer, I know is corrupt because they live down the street from  me and are a total asshole.  The other choice was an incumbent whose wife is an active lobbyist who lobbies her own husband.

The other two races were not as bad at that one, but when given the choice, I can write in whatever I want or not vote.  Hell over 56% of my fellow countrymen picked the no vote option.

Frankly the fact that a whole bunch of new people are promising to be the most ethical and transparent congress ever and won't grow the deficit is something I've heard rather recently.

Show me the money.



Objection Your Honor........the witnesses' answer was anecdotal and non-responsive........

And yes......you ARE on trial here........

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2010, 03:49:19 PM »
Greed man, greed.


I agree it seems to be his downfall
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2010, 03:53:07 PM »
Show me the money.  

The political party you support now holds one branch of congress.

Otherwise all you are selling me is skittle shitting unicorns.

I'm about as popular in democratic party circles as leprosy because I've been highly vocal on their plans were a disaster.

If your party starts doing things that are a disaster are you going to speak up, or are you going to abide by the nonsense that the democrats are a greater threat?

I'm not selling myself as a conservative.  We can probably find agreement on the central bank and possibly on some budget cuts.

I'm under no illusion that we agree on everything.

The difference between you, and my democratic "friends" is you will punch me in the face when we disagree.  They will stab me in the back.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2010, 04:19:57 PM »
Show me the money.  

The political party you support now holds one branch of congress.

Otherwise all you are selling me is skittle shitting unicorns.

You are dissembling.......you made a statement about a specific political objective, and I simply stated that there are a new crop of congressmen that espouse your identical principle, and I further stated that you never did, nor would you ever vote for any of them.......this makes you a hypocrite.......

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I'm about as popular in democratic party circles as leprosy because I've been highly vocal on their plans were a disaster.

Who cares??

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If your party starts doing things that are a disaster are you going to speak up, or are you going to abide by the nonsense that the democrats are a greater threat?

Everyone here has been critical of Republicans when they stray from their principles, but that isn't the point.

The point is that today's Democrats are the most corrupt, anti-American, bunch of lying scum that has graced the hallowed halls of congress in several generations.......they and their warped, politically correct, quasi-socialist agenda needs to be eradicated by any means possible.  Were we to suddenly find ourselves in 1787, a substantial portion of today's Democrats would be hanged for treason (Lord, how I miss the "good old days")

 
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The difference between you, and my democratic "friends" is you will punch me in the face when we disagree. They will stab me in the back.


Well......again, I've taken the trouble, and time to discuss point by point, each of the positions that you have taken in this thread, and pretty much all of your responses have been vague and banal generalities and more whining and moaning......life isn't "fair", and "I can't get my way".........

I suppose you understand why we have an entire forum dedicated to pointing and laughing at your "political friends"........you share a great many of their characteristics.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2010, 04:29:56 PM »
I don't really understand your definition of a hypocrite. 

If I believe that the GOP congress will behave quite similarly to the DNC congress with Keynesian nonsense, I don't really see how that makes me a hypocrite. 

Whether you borrow for tax cuts or you borrow for stimulus it is still Keynesian stimulus.

It isn't about getting or not getting my way.  My way or not the country is heading over a cliff.

You go to war, you have to fund it.  You decide to build a highway, you have to fund it.

I'm not really interested in getting in a pissing contest over who the bigger idiot is.  I say they are both ****ing idiots because over the past 30 years they have gotten to a situation where they are turning our currency into toilet paper.

Hey Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush all appointed Greenspan who blew speculative credit bubble after speculative credit bubble destabilizing our economy.

George W. Bush and Barack Obama both appointed Ben Bernake who has now going about a policy of monetizing the federal debt.

We want to debate God, Gays, and Guns fine.  When you are taking more $ to buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of gas due to devaluation of the dollar to paper over bank losses from credit bubbles, I think those aren't going to be the first issues.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2010, 04:38:27 PM »
I don't really understand your definition of a hypocrite. 

If I believe that the GOP congress will behave quite similarly to the DNC congress with Keynesian nonsense, I don't really see how that makes me a hypocrite. 

Whether you borrow for tax cuts or you borrow for stimulus it is still Keynesian stimulus.

It isn't about getting or not getting my way.  My way or not the country is heading over a cliff.

You go to war, you have to fund it.  You decide to build a highway, you have to fund it.

I'm not really interested in getting in a pissing contest over who the bigger idiot is.  I say they are both ****ing idiots because over the past 30 years they have gotten to a situation where they are turning our currency into toilet paper.

Hey Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush all appointed Greenspan who blew speculative credit bubble after speculative credit bubble destabilizing our economy.

George W. Bush and Barack Obama both appointed Ben Bernake who has now going about a policy of monetizing the federal debt.

We want to debate God, Gays, and Guns fine.  When you are taking more $ to buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of gas due to devaluation of the dollar to paper over bank losses from credit bubbles, I think those aren't going to be the first issues.



You sure are misguided.  Reagan brought the interest ate down from some 18% down to a more reasonable and affordable rate. It wasn't until Clinton that we started with the credit bubbles, IT Bubbles and Housing Bubbles. Even then, it wasn't all that bad. Bush and his people WARNED the country of the impending housing crisis started by Barney Frank, Joe Biden and their ilk. We also need to blame the banks for the credit problems. After all, who in their right mind would give someone making $15K per year a $22K credit line just because they kept their bills paid on time??

I will admit that the TARP that was perpetrated by Bush was wrong. Many of us here also felt that way. Obama has done NOTHING but drive us deeper in debt.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2010, 04:44:10 PM »
I don't really understand your definition of a hypocrite. 

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And you likely never will.......liberalism being the emotional disorder that it is.

Meh.......I've grown weary of circular logic .....if one of the rest of you want to take up the gauntlet, be my guest......he's just wasting my time.....

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2010, 04:54:23 PM »
And you likely never will.......liberalism being the emotional disorder that it is.

Meh.......I've grown weary of circular logic .....if one of the rest of you want to take up the gauntlet, be my guest......he's just wasting my time.....

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He's like a wandering troubadour, selling his ideas like they did their music. There's only one problem - the stink and the accompanying flies follow him.

Kinda looks like shit-stirring to me. All that buzzing is so loud I can't hear the machinery next door.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2010, 04:56:29 PM »
circular logic: Thought process a dog uses when chasing his tail.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2010, 05:00:18 PM »
ATJ can i ask you one thing do you enjoy pissing people off or are you just that stupid that you don't know you are doing it?
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2010, 05:13:33 PM »
circular logic: Thought process a dog uses when chasing his tail.

Hey now, my dogs object!
They are entertaining themselves when they chase their tails.  Almost as much as when they are chasing the cats' tails down the hall. :-)

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2010, 06:59:24 PM »
ATJ can i ask you one thing do you enjoy pissing people off or are you just that stupid that you don't know you are doing it?

1) I never claimed to be a conservative

2) I come on here to see what you are thinking

3) I generally keep a rather open mind.  There are things I believe about human nature that many of you probably won't agree with, however when presented with factual evidence that their core beliefs are wrong, humans generally respond by clinging
even more tightly to their fallacious beliefs. (I think the evidence of that is Speaker Pelosi sticking around)

4) Other than my view on economics, which is rather conservative in nature, I try my best not to get involved in other thought processes, but I occasionally make the mistake of doing so.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2010, 07:48:36 PM »
Did you see Rangel walking out of his own trial with that smirk on his face. Piece of garbage shouldn't be walking down the halls of Congress. :argh:

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2010, 08:00:27 PM »
Chuckles should be happy, that Pelosi's congress is trying him and not Bohner's congress.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2010, 08:07:00 PM »
Chuckles should be happy, that Pelosi's congress is trying him and not Bohner's congress.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2010, 08:48:36 PM »
No you are right you have never said you were conservative but you come in here acting like the world's biggest prick. You just piss me off when you act like a know it all and don't bring the correct facts to the table.
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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2010, 09:21:28 PM »
No you are right you have never said you were conservative but you come in here acting like the world's biggest prick. You just piss me off when you act like a know it all and don't bring the correct facts to the table.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2010, 09:53:47 PM »
No you are right you have never said you were conservative but you come in here acting like the world's biggest prick. You just piss me off when you act like a know it all and don't bring the correct facts to the table.

Well on the charge of being the world's biggest prick, I'll plead guilty.

I stick to economics, other issues, I have opinions that are probably not as well formed as yours, thus my facts might mix with opinions and I'll evaluate my thought process and see if my opinion is correct when asked.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2010, 09:57:52 PM »
Well on the charge of being the world's biggest prick, I'll plead guilty.

I stick to economics, other issues, I have opinions that are probably not as well formed as yours, thus my facts might mix with opinions and I'll evaluate my thought process and see if my opinion is correct when asked.

OK, I must be dense because I don't really comprehend what you have said here. :???:Could you please rephrase the bolded part of your statement.  TIA.
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