primitives discuss emigration

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9532687

Oh my.

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts)     Wed Nov-10-10 10:09 PM
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Where can a working class/working poor American emigrate to?

Serious question here. It's getting worse and worse here & I want some options for getting the hell outta here. It seems places like France & Canada want immigrants to have huge amounts of liquid assets, and advanced degrees to even consider someone for a visa.

I have a lowly bachelor's degree and $250 in my bank account right now, so a lot of countries are out of the question for me. I'd like to head somewhere with a decent climate like Australia or Brazil, but I hear it's not easy to get into those countries too.

What is with most countries only wanting to take the wealthy and elites as immigrants? We used to take in just about anyone from anywhere in the world, even if they couldn't read or the only possessions they had were the clothes on their backs. You'd think other countries would possibly return the favor.

Not if they're getting primitives, in comparison with what they sent here.  No way.

stray cat (1000+ posts)     Wed Nov-10-10 10:14 PM
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2. North Korea -they would love it as a publicity stunt and would probably treat you like a star

Odd, that no primitive has ever described a desire to move to that socialist paradise.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-10-10 10:17 PM
THE ZBIGNIEW PRIMITIVE
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3. Well open immigration don't happen in the US either

hasn't for oh over 100 years.

You could go across borders easily back then, don't matter what country.

Just a reality check, though if you have a college degree check Costa Rica, if you are young enough...

socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts)      Wed Nov-10-10 10:39 PM
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17. "....if you are young enough."...........

Yeah that's the problem for some of us. Maybe somebody will take political refugees no matter what the age?

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-10-10 10:44 PM
THE ZBIGNIEW PRIMITIVE
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19. Are you fearing for your life?

I have talked to real refugees who were tortured. Actually helped to place these people both in the US and Europe in what it seems another lifetime... trust me there ARE Americans who have fit that definition in the past, but right now you would fit the definition of an ECONOMIC refugee. Unless of course you have reason to fear for your life... or and no sarcasm here, have I missed the death squads?

We have things that are crazy, but we haven't gotten to that point YET... at least in a major open way.

It is kind of a sore point with me, since I did debrief way too many war refugees, who did fit the political Refugee monicker, from the Central American mess... and the stories of torture, just at the top of the list, still give me nightmares.

socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts)      Wed Nov-10-10 10:56 PM
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23. Not yet, but..............

it seems to get closer every day.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-10-10 10:58 PM
THE ZBIGNIEW PRIMITIVE
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24. But we don't and even though I expect a hot civil war, I know how horrific it will be, for real. Mostly I got to listen to enough horrific stories from an actual hot civil war. And some people FROM MEXICO, are now coming here on Refugee status... for a good reason, and no, not economic refugee status, political.

So as shitty as things are... and they are.. I prefer to say, we don't. And I hope it stays this way.

WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-10-10 10:18 PM
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4. Maybe South or Central America - if anywhere, a developing country

But honestly, you have the right attitude... emigration is NOT easy. I always roll my eyes whenever I see one of those "that's it!!! I'm moving to Canada!!!!" threads, as if all you need to do to emigrate to another country is buy a one way plane ticket and have enough money for a security deposit.

So do we, so do we.

elocs  (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-10-10 10:20 PM
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5. The truth is: who would want us? Nations of the world have enough problems taking care of their own people.

Now if you had the cash it would be a different story.

Back in 1975 when I graduated college I did think about emigrating to Australia because I think at that time they would still pay for your passage if you lived there for so many years. I've thought about that from time to time and wonder what it would have been like had I done that.

Good question.  Who would want the primitives?

It's a funny campfire.

Occam Bandage (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-10-10 10:24 PM
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10. Emigration is not easy.

No nation wants the wretched refuse of another nation's teeming shore. Unless you've got a skill, nobody wants you.

Yep, no nation wants the primitives.  We're stuck with them.

And a primitive from the past emerges.  This sounds like the "StellaBlue" primitive of yore:

RadicalTexan  (588 posts)      Wed Nov-10-10 10:38 PM
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16. I want to know, too

I lived in the UK from 2001-2005, and only returned after my ex tricked me into returning to the States to visit my family who I hadn't seen in two years due to visa issues, and then promptly broke up with me and sent all my belongings back - a mere six months before I would've qualified for the equivalent of a Green Card. I am still pissed. Had it been up to me, I would've stayed there forever.

Of course, Europe has its own problems, many of them similar to our or cause by us, but it's still better than the US for the average thinking, working person, in my humble opinion. We'll see how long their pensions and universal health care last.

I left in 2000 after the selection of W (I am a native Texan and was actually a tour guide at the Texas Governor's Mansion during the 2000 election). I am the only person I know who threatened to leave and did. I went there on a student visa to do an MA, something I had been strongly considering, anyway - the election pushed me over the edge. I stayed there for a further three years on a domestic partnership visa and worked and paid taxes and loved it there, shitty relationship notwithstanding. I've tried to figure out how to go back (legally), and it's virtually impossible for the average working class American. Which pisses me off, considering there are radical Muslim extremist immigrants there who have paraded through the streets of London with pro-9/11 and "Death to America" signs. They get to stay, but I didn't.....more, but never mind

[Chris_]

They're so cute when they're despondent.

No wonder so many of them are on head pills.  Pathetic.

[Carl]

Welcome to the reality of socialism DUmbfux...nations can only start at the top of income and when everyone is reduced to paupers they have to enter the real world.

You idiots live at the bottom so are already useless.

[miskie]

Aww, I missed all of the I'm leaving threads during the past two years.  I'm certain there will be renewed interest in 'leaving'* after January 2011.


*not that they ever do

[Ballygrl]

I still say we need to make a trade with Canada, they get California and we get Alberta, and the whiners can emigrate to California in their new Country of Canada.

[Karin]

I thought the purpose of these here internet forums was to share information.  Why is it that we get thread after thread announcing a DUmmie's departure from these shores?  I wish they could leave, too, but other countries just don't have a burning desire for layabouts with mental and substance problems.  They're told over and over again....you have to have big bucks, or you're SOL.  Why do they never learn? 

They're stuck in the Vietnam era, when hippies were pouring into Canada.  Dear DUers:  Newsflash:  It is now 2010.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Is this a new incarnation of "StellaBlue"????

RadicalTexan  (588 posts)      Wed Nov-10-10 10:38 PM
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16. I want to know, too

I lived in the UK from 2001-2005, and only returned after my ex tricked me into returning to the States to visit my family who I hadn't seen in two years due to visa issues, and then promptly broke up with me and sent all my belongings back - a mere six months before I would've qualified for the equivalent of a Green Card. I am still pissed. Had it been up to me, I would've stayed there forever.

Of course, Europe has its own problems, many of them similar to our or cause by us, but it's still better than the US for the average thinking, working person, in my humble opinion. We'll see how long their pensions and universal health care last.

I left in 2000 after the selection of W (I am a native Texan and was actually a tour guide at the Texas Governor's Mansion during the 2000 election). I am the only person I know who threatened to leave and did. I went there on a student visa to do an MA, something I had been strongly considering, anyway - the election pushed me over the edge. I stayed there for a further three years on a domestic partnership visa and worked and paid taxes and loved it there, shitty relationship notwithstanding. I've tried to figure out how to go back (legally), and it's virtually impossible for the average working class American. Which pisses me off, considering there are radical Muslim extremist immigrants there who have paraded through the streets of London with pro-9/11 and "Death to America" signs. They get to stay, but I didn't.....more, but never mind

[franksolich]

Is this a new incarnation of "StellaBlue"????

I'm wondering.

She did get a state government job down there in Austin.

[jukin]

Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and Spain have joined the other socialist utopias of Cuba, NK, and VZ.  I might also suggest the Arabian Peninsula..except Israel. Africa is a great place too, any country is far better than here but Zimbabwe is real special. 

Overall go with country's that have  "Social Justice."  Another good indicator of how great a country is if their name had "Democratic" or "People's".  Of course, the best indicator of a great country is that there are no evil white people running it.

[Celtic Rose]

Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and Spain have joined the other socialist utopias of Cuba, NK, and VZ.  I might also suggest the Arabian Peninsula..except Israel. Africa is a great place too, any country is far better than here but Zimbabwe is real special. 

Overall go with country's that have  "Social Justice."  Another good indicator of how great a country is if their name had "Democratic" or "People's".  Of course, the best indicator of a great country is that there are no evil white people running it.

I'll be honest, I would move to Ireland in a heartbeat if I had the chance (and a job).

[BlueStateSaint]

I'll be honest, I would move to Ireland in a heartbeat if I had the chance (and a job).

Even with their economic woes?

[littlelamb]

The DUmmies need to leave so our country can once again be great, I know it is wishful thinking but it would be nice

[DumbAss Tanker]

Is this a new incarnation of "StellaBlue"????

Sure as Hell sounds like it, dunnit?

 

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie needs to convert to Islam or better yet marry a Muslim. Canada and France would let her in in a heartbeat then and put her right on the dole which is what's shes looking for anyway.

....and I hope her new Muslim husband beats he lightly all day, everyday until she wises up.

[Celtic Rose]

Even with their economic woes?

That is why I specified that I would need a job before moving there   

[Doc Savage]

I've tried to figure out how to go back (legally), and it's virtually impossible for the average working class American. Which pisses me off, considering there are radical Muslim extremist immigrants there who have paraded through the streets of London with pro-9/11 and "Death to America" signs. They get to stay, but I didn't.....more, but never mind

Bu....but.....but....I thought illegal immigration was ok?  You mean the citizens of England will not welcome illegal immigrants with open arms?  

[miskie]

The only reason its 'okay' is the primitives view illegal immigrants as likely Dem voters. If illegals voted the 'R' Obama would have secured the southern border with a concrete and steel wall 50 feet high and 10 feet thick.

[thundley4]

The only reason its 'okay' is the primitives view illegal immigrants as likely Dem voters. If illegals voted the 'R' Obama would have secured the southern border with a concrete and steel wall 50 feet high and 10 feet thick.

I still don't get it. The DUmmies are all for letting the uneducated, dregs come here illegally, yet they rant and rave about companies bringing in employees under H1-B visas.

[miskie]

I still don't get it. The DUmmies are all for letting the uneducated, dregs come here illegally, yet they rant and rave about companies bringing in employees under H1-B visas.

Its simple - workers brought in under visas are happy, well paid, and unlikely to try to vote illegally. The dregs are here to take whatever America has to offer them, and if breaking the law to be here in the first place was no impediment, how likely is it that election law is going to stop them from voting ? - Especially since one party is far more likely to give the illegals free ponies than the other.

[Freeper]

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-10-10 10:09 PM
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Where can a working class/working poor American emigrate to?
   
Serious question here. It's getting worse and worse here & I want some options for getting the hell outta here. It seems places like France & Canada want immigrants to have huge amounts of liquid assets, and advanced degrees to even consider someone for a visa.

I have a lowly bachelor's degree and $250 in my bank account right now, so a lot of countries are out of the question for me. I'd like to head somewhere with a decent climate like Australia or Brazil, but I hear it's not easy to get into those countries too.

What is with most countries only wanting to take the wealthy and elites as immigrants? We used to take in just about anyone from anywhere in the world, even if they couldn't read or the only possessions they had were the clothes on their backs. You'd think other countries would possibly return the favor.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9532687

You could always just illegally enter another country.
Oh wait they would send your ungrateful ass right back here.
It's ironic this goon is bitchin about America yet this is the only country that allows people to come here without those people having to prove that they won't be sucking on the govt teat.

Maybe DUmmy the other countries realize they have enough freeloaders and want some productive people to come over so they can tax the piss out of them.

slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-10-10 10:11 PM
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1. I've heard that Haiti needs skilled, educated people
   
Edited on Wed Nov-10-10 10:12 PM by slackmaster
It's on the dryer end of the island of Hispaniola.

There's an idea one week there and the USA will look like heaven on earth.

stray cat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-10-10 10:14 PM
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2. North Korea -they would love it as a publicity stunt and would probably treat you like a star

I hear they have free health care there. 

conspirator (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Nov-11-10 10:12 AM
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33. Colombia is a fascist regime but it's stable.
   
It's easy to get a business visa even if you don't have the whole $20000 required as capital.
You can basically open a ghost company. Of course that you need to speak spanish so you can find a job.
Alternatively consider marriage as a way of getting into any country.

Why is it they can require people to speak the language yet if we even hint at it we get called racists?

elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-10-10 10:20 PM
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5. The truth is: who would want us? Nations of the world have enough problems
   
taking care of their own people.

Now if you had the cash it would be a different story.

Back in 1975 when I graduated college I did think about emigrating to Australia because I think at that time they would still pay for your passage if you lived there for so many years. I've thought about that from time to time and wonder what it would have been like had I done that.

Damn right who would want a bunch of people who think a hard days work is posting at DU all day while holding an open hand out to be filled by the taxpayer.

davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-10-10 10:24 PM
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8. try Cuba?
   
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KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-10-10 10:29 PM
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12. That wouldn't be too bad...
   
they have a very nice climate & all, but Raul Castro came out & said that the state will have to layoff up to 500,000 workers. It would be nice if the embargo were lifted and Cuba's leaders decided to embrace democratic socialism instead of authoritarian communism, then I'd certainly consider it.

They have free health care. If you like we will all chip in and get you a raft that you can sail from Miami.

Selatius (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Nov-11-10 10:34 AM
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37. On the other hand, you wouldn't be bankrupted by medical emergencies/health insurance premiums.
   
Because Cuba has socialized health care. "Medical bankruptcy" is an alien term in such a country.

Freedom of speech is also an alien term there hell freedom of anything is an alien term.

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-10-10 10:33 PM
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14. It shouldn't be that difficult.
   
No one should need multiple doctorate degrees, or $25,000,000 in liquid assets to emigrate.

I only have a modest education, but I'm able-bodied & have always worked. I'm not a criminal, fugitive, or terrorist. I'm willing to learn the native language and do all I can to contribute to society in a new country. Shouldn't that be enough?

How about contributing here?

caty Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Nov-10-10 10:58 PM
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25. I heard last year
   
that the people in Denmark were the happiest people in the world. Must be a reason why. Oh yea, socialism.

 

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Nov-11-10 10:32 AM
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36. I don't know why anyone would want to come here anymore.
   
We're quickly sliding into third world status. Give it enough time & the US will end up as poor as Niger or Sierra Leone.

God you are stupid.
You would be begging to come home if you spent 5 seconds in a third world country.

[true_blood]

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Nov-11-10 10:32 AM
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36. I don't know why anyone would want to come here anymore. We're quickly sliding into third world status. Give it enough time & the US will end up as poor as Niger or Sierra Leone.

All this coming from a DUmmie with a screen name of KillCapitalism. Still want to "kill that capitalism" you idiot?!

[Chris_]

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-11-10 10:32 AM
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36. I don't know why anyone would want to come here anymore.

For a second there, I thought he was talking about Democratic Underground.  At least he would have a valid point.

[Ballygrl]

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts)
Thu Nov-11-10 10:32 AM
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36. I don't know why anyone would want to come here anymore. We're quickly sliding into third world status. Give it enough time & the US will end up as poor as Niger or Sierra Leone.

That's the difference between the mentality of conservatives and regressives, conservatives would fight to stay where we are, they would never accept sliding into 3rd world status, whereas regressives would give up. America has been great because up until maybe the past couple of decades we had immigrants who wanted a better life and were willing to fight for it, they left their country and the regressive mentality behind. That fighting and determination mentality is still alive for immigrants who come here legally but not so much in those who come here illegally.

[BlueStateSaint]

That's the difference between the mentality of conservatives and regressives, conservatives would fight to stay where we are, they would never accept sliding into 3rd world status, whereas regressives would give up. America has been great because up until maybe the past couple of decades we had immigrants who wanted a better life and were willing to fight for it, they left their country and the regressive mentality behind. That fighting and determination mentality is still alive for immigrants who come here legally but not so much in those who come here illegally.

Regressives such as those at the DUmp wouldn't just give up--they'd actively assist the US becoming a 3rd World nation.

[true_blood]

KillCapitalism (1000+ posts)     Wed Nov-10-10 10:09 PM
Original message
Where can a working class/working poor American emigrate to? Serious question here. It's getting worse and worse here & I want some options for getting the hell outta here. It seems places like France & Canada want immigrants to have huge amounts of liquid assets, and advanced degrees to even consider someone for a visa.

No, but seriously KillCapitalism, you should move. Tell us how much better it is in another country. Please by all means.
I guess the imposter occupying the White House gave up on you, huh?!? You and most fo the others unemployed. They, lord zero's administration, didn't give up on giving the Palestinian gubberment 150 million in additional "aid". It's an investment Hillary Clintung says. (An investment? How about an investment in America, you socialist/communist skrunt?!)