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Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« on: November 07, 2010, 12:44:14 PM »
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-pope-spain-20101108,0,2512317.story

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BARCELONA, Spain — Pope Benedict XVI strongly defended traditional families and the rights of the unborn Sunday, directly attacking Spanish laws that allow gay marriage, fast-track divorce and easier abortions as he dedicated Barcelona's iconic church, the Sagrada Familia.

It was the second time in as many days that Benedict had criticized the policies of Spain's Socialist government and called for Europe as a whole to rediscover Christian teachings and apply them to everyday life.

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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-is" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 01:07:57 PM »
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-pope-spain-20101108,0,2512317.story

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I am so sick of this bunch forcing this issue upon us. Just a few years ago I could care less about the Gays and their rights. Now a days the issue is always in the news, on my TV. I noticed this season it is really on TV. It is sick, unnatural  behavior.


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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2010, 08:57:43 PM »
I really don't see what you're complaining about. To be honest, it's really offensive to refer to homosexuals as "this bunch" and noone is forcing anyone on you. They're requesting to be allowed to get married and for people to stop complaining about them. Marrige is a human right, not a heterosexual privilage.

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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2010, 09:09:55 PM »
I really don't see what you're complaining about. To be honest, it's really offensive to refer to homosexuals as "this bunch" and noone is forcing anyone on you. They're requesting to be allowed to get married and for people to stop complaining about them. Marrige is a human right, not a heterosexual privilage.


Oh...my....****ing....gawd.

No, DUmbass. There are no human rights, in the way that somebody just gets something because it is owed to them. Not life. Not Liberty. Not happiness. Nothing.

People get 'rights' because other people allow them.


Marrage is between two people's religion and themselves. I licence to marry is between the government and those two people. All these rights are given by the government based on priciple of the founding fathers- which, because they knew better, didn't mention shit about marrage.

You want all the 'marrage' rights of other people? Fine. Go for it and **** whatever you want. Don't be suprised when a religion that doesn't accept you doesn't bless your little dick and cock feast. You're lucky you are not one of the non-existant gheys in Iran...or Iraq...or Saudi...or Pakistan...or anywhere else the Islamists rule.
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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 09:32:29 PM »
Marriage is a religious institution. Homosexuality is an abomination in most major religions.
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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 09:48:27 PM »

Oh...my....****ing....gawd.

No, DUmbass. There are no human rights, in the way that somebody just gets something because it is owed to them. Not life. Not Liberty. Not happiness. Nothing.

People get 'rights' because other people allow them.


Marrage is between two people's religion and themselves. I licence to marry is between the government and those two people. All these rights are given by the government based on priciple of the founding fathers- which, because they knew better, didn't mention shit about marrage.

You want all the 'marrage' rights of other people? Fine. Go for it and **** whatever you want. Don't be suprised when a religion that doesn't accept you doesn't bless your little dick and cock feast. You're lucky you are not one of the non-existant gheys in Iran...or Iraq...or Saudi...or Pakistan...or anywhere else the Islamists rule.
I have to say, those wonderful words at the end just sum up exactly the kind of hostility that is leading to the quite recent suicides of people. Anyway, the government aspect is based off religion directly, religion is supposed to be separated from laws passed, your argument is invalid for religion. We also have in our constitution that people are allowed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and if it makes them happy without harming you, there's nothing stopping it from being legal.

You say marriage is religious? Is christianity not based off the idea of loving everyone no matter what? Of course, you just displayed to all of us exactly how much love you're capable in that last little paragraph.

I'd also like to say that I never even brought up how islam, nice of you to throw in a direct attack on people completely unrelated.

No human rights you say? Then what gives other people the ability to decide what rights you get? If you aren't hurting someone, then what the **** is problem?


Marriage is a religious institution. Homosexuality is an abomination in most major religions.
First off, thank you for posing your statement without being a complete dick about it. Religion is a part of it, yes, however the marrige homosexuals want is the one recognized by the government, in fact most could care less if a church likes it. The fact that some churches go out of the way to make life hard for them doesn't help either.

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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2010, 09:58:26 PM »
If you don't like the pope or what he says, don't be Catholic.   

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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2010, 10:01:02 PM »
I'm not, and neither are a lot of other people and that's the problem. Why should people who aren't a religion live under the same rules as people are because of polotitians?

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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2010, 10:09:20 PM »
If you're not Catholic, then why would you care what the pope says?

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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 10:09:45 PM »
I'm not christian, DUmbass. Christ's teachings said, 'Don't judge others. Love your neighbor as yourself. Turn the other cheek."

God didn't give you your rights here in the good old USA. People did. When they get around to it, they will prob'ly make gay 'marrage' legal. However- most people in the good old US of A don't think it's a good thing, as so---no gay marrage for you.

You seem to think that you can use christianity when you want it to prove your point, and ignor the rest of it. Typical leftist thought and action. Hell, try explaining to a muslim that gay marrage is a right in the US of A and see how far you get. It's no more a right than driving. Or owning a gun. or anything else.

You are just to dumb to get it.

Oh- maybe I am not framing the arguement correctly.
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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2010, 10:15:46 PM »
I'm not christian, DUmbass. Christ's teachings said, 'Don't judge others. Love your neighbor as yourself. Turn the other cheek."

God didn't give you your rights here in the good old USA. People did. When they get around to it, they will prob'ly make gay 'marrage' legal. However- most people in the good old US of A don't think it's a good thing, as so---no gay marrage for you.

You seem to think that you can use christianity when you want it to prove your point, and ignor the rest of it. Typical leftist thought and action. Hell, try explaining to a muslim that gay marrage is a right in the US of A and see how far you get. It's no more a right than driving. Or owning a gun. or anything else.

You are just to dumb to get it.

Oh- maybe I am not framing the arguement correctly.
Neither am I, I'm atheist. To be honest, I have no care as to what muslim countries write as their laws, however I do care what ****ing conditions I have to live with on a daily basis here, now will you please put the bullshit aside and use logic, what the **** does me explaining gay marrige to a muslim have to do with a law being passed here, or are you just that low on reasons why not to allow it to give me an actual reply? As to what "most people" think, a recent poll showed 53% of people support it, where's your crowd now, or were their heads as far up their asses as yours so they couldn't give an awnser? How am I too dumb to get it? the simple fact is you're an ignorant bigot who needs to get the **** out of other people's lives and worry about himself rather than others.

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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2010, 01:32:55 AM »
I really don't see what you're complaining about. To be honest, it's really offensive to refer to homosexuals as "this bunch" and noone is forcing anyone on you.

Then why are they trying to force their skewed views onto unsuspecting children in school?

WHY am I being told that I have to "accept" an openly gay person serving next to me in a foxhole in the Army?


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They're requesting to be allowed to get married and for people to stop complaining about them.


They are attempting to force the majority of Americans to accept what they view as an abnormal lifestyle.


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Marrige is a human right, not a heterosexual privilage.

It is?  Where is that "right" in the Constitution or the Bill Of Rights?

This isn't about marriage "rights" in the first place.  It's about money.  Specifically the benefits they do  NOT get from employers etc because they decided to be different and choose to have sex with and live with someoneof the same sex.
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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2010, 03:47:42 AM »
"It is?  Where is that "right" in the Constitution or the Bill Of Rights?

This isn't about marriage "rights" in the first place.  It's about money.  Specifically the benefits they do  NOT get from employers etc because they decided to be different and choose to have sex with and live with someoneof the same sex."
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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2010, 07:19:54 AM »
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Neither am I, I'm atheist. To be honest, I have no care as to what muslim countries write as their laws, however I do care what ****ing conditions I have to live with on a daily basis here, now will you please put the bullshit aside and use logic, what the **** does me explaining gay marrige to a muslim have to do with a law being passed here, or are you just that low on reasons why not to allow it to give me an actual reply? As to what "most people" think, a recent poll showed 53% of people support it, where's your crowd now, or were their heads as far up their asses as yours so they couldn't give an awnser? How am I too dumb to get it? the simple fact is you're an ignorant bigot who needs to get the **** out of other people's lives and worry about himself rather than others.
Really? then  why isn't it legal? You do realize that sometimes people tell pollsters something completely different than what their real feelings are don't you? If their was such a groundswell of support for gay marriage don't you think it would be legal by now?
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As to what "most people" think, a recent poll showed 53% of people support it,

And I suppose you have a link to that poll?
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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2010, 08:03:27 AM »
California, one of the most LIBERAL states in the Union voted AGAINST allowing homosexual marriage by some 60+%..... If you have a poll showing that 53% are FOR it, I would question the validity of that poll. A person doesn't have the right to marry their 1st cousin, should they want to, in most states. A man doesn't have the RIGHT to have multiple wives. I would be more willing to accept a man having multiple wives, as that has been a norm established in biblical times, and as long as that man and his family isn't sucking off of the welfare tete.
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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2010, 08:47:29 AM »
Neither am I, I'm atheist. To be honest, I have no care as to what muslim countries write as their laws, however I do care what ****ing conditions I have to live with on a daily basis here, now will you please put the bullshit aside and use logic, what the **** does me explaining gay marrige to a muslim have to do with a law being passed here, or are you just that low on reasons why not to allow it to give me an actual reply? As to what "most people" think, a recent poll showed 53% of people support it, where's your crowd now, or were their heads as far up their asses as yours so they couldn't give an awnser? How am I too dumb to get it? the simple fact is you're an ignorant bigot who needs to get the **** out of other people's lives and worry about himself rather than others.

Opinion polls are WORTHLESS! If you want real statistics where most people stand, then look at California's passage of Proposition 8, which declared that marriage is between a man and a woman.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2010, 09:44:40 AM »
Neither am I, I'm atheist. To be honest, I have no care as to what muslim countries write as their laws, however I do care what ****ing conditions I have to live with on a daily basis here, now will you please put the bullshit aside and use logic, what the **** does me explaining gay marrige to a muslim have to do with a law being passed here, or are you just that low on reasons why not to allow it to give me an actual reply? As to what "most people" think, a recent poll showed 53% of people support it, where's your crowd now, or were their heads as far up their asses as yours so they couldn't give an awnser? How am I too dumb to get it? the simple fact is you're an ignorant bigot who needs to get the **** out of other people's lives and worry about himself rather than others.

Your arguement that the gay marrage law hasn't past has to do with religion. Your poll is meaningless as the actual election results bare out the truth of how people feel.

California's Proposition 8 passed with 52 percent of the votes (close to 5.2 million)
Arizona's Proposition 102, was also approved by 56 percent of voters.
Arkansas, gays and lesbians suffered another defeat, as a proposed ban on unmarried couples adopting or providing foster care for children passed with 57 percent voter approval.
Maine: With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.


It's fairly consistant across the board.


In 2001 76.5% of the US population were Christians. 1.3% were Jews and 0.5% were Muslim. 13.2% were nonreligious.

Gays made up less than 1.6% of the population of the US, just a bit more than Presbyterians.

A coalition of leading pro-homosexual activist groups has now admitted in a legal brief that only "2.8 percent of the male, and 1.4 percent of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."... in an amicus curiae (or "friend of the court") brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of Lawrence v. Texas. In the case, which was decided in June of 2003, homosexual activists successfully sought to have a Texas law barring homosexual sodomy declared unconstitutional. The brief was filed by a coalition of 31 pro-homosexual activist groups, including some of the leading national organizations like the Human Rights Campaign; the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force; Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG); the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD); and the People for the American Way Foundation. The unusually candid statement about the relatively low number of homosexuals in the population appeared on page 16 of the brief. The text contains the assertion, "There are approximately six million openly gay men and women in the United States, and 450,000 gay men and lesbians in Texas." After the national figure there appears a footnote, number 42 in the brief. The actual footnote at the bottom of the page reads as follows (in its entirety): "The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8 percent of the male, and 1.4 percent of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. See Laumann, et al., The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994)..." Unfortunately, despite their candor about the small percentage of the population that is homosexual, the authors of the brief still managed to overestimate the actual number of "openly gay men and women" by more than a third. That's because the figures of "4 million openly gay men and 2 million women who identify as lesbian" were apparently arrived at by multiplying the 2.8 percent and 1.4 percent figures by the total number of males and females in the U.S. population. Yet it hardly seems reasonable to count any of the 60 million Americans who are fourteen years old or younger (and particularly the 40 million who are nine or younger) as "openly gay men and women." If one applies the percentage figures from the NHSLS instead to only the population of men and women 18 years old or more, one arrives at an estimate that perhaps 4.3 million Americans (2.8 million men and 1.5 million women) identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual. It is important as well to note that the "bisexual" component in that is fairly high. In fact, the percentage of the population that identifies exclusively as homosexual (not bisexual) is only 2 percent for men and 0.9 percent for women, or about 2 million men and slightly less than a million women. And even an exclusive homosexual self-identification is not always matched by similarly exclusive behavior. The NHSLS found that only 0.9 percent of men and 0.4 percent of women reported having only same-sex sexual partners since age 18, a figure that would represent a total of only about 1.4 million Americans (men and women combined). In fact, the book on the NHSLS that was cited in the homosexual groups' brief refers as well to "the myth of 10 percent," noting that it was probably drawn from part of the research of Alfred Kinsey. However, even Kinsey actually concluded that only "4 percent of the white males are exclusively homosexual throughout their lives." And the book by Laumann et al. notes that Kinsey used research methods that "would all tend to bias Kinsey's results toward higher estimates of homosexuality (and other rarer sexual practices) than those he would have obtained using probability sampling." [Two key reasons: Kinsey's research was conducted exclusively with males, which has a higher rates of homosexuality and bisexuality, and Kinsey's research was conducted predominantly within prison populations.] The Laumann book also mentions in a footnote that "Bruce Voeller (1990) claims to have originated the 10 percent estimate as part of the modern gay rights movement's campaign in the late 1970s to convince politicians and the public that 'We [gays and lesbians] Are Everywhere.' At the time, Voeller was the chair of the National Gay Task Force"--forerunner to one of the groups represented by the recent brief.

The Christian Church is faily clear about the whole deal;

It is also important that churches begin to confront the growing apostate church movements that engage in the damnable practice of putting their people into s*xual and spiritual bondage; proclaiming homos*xuality as normal and God given. These kinds of apostate clergy are "promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption." 2 Peter 2:19

The Qur'an links the sin of Sodom (the reason for its destruction) to the general bisexual activities of the men of Sodom. That is, they freely engaged in both same-sex behavior with each other, and opposite-sex behavior with their wives.

IslamOnline.net records a fatwa (religious ruling) concerning an Iranian man who had been convicted of raping and then killing his 16-year-old nephew. The fatwa does not appear to differentiate between consensual homosexuality and homosexual rape; both are linked to adultery. Their ruling stated:

"Homosexuality, moreover, is an abomination and a grave sin. In Hadith, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, clarifies the gravity of this abomination by saying: "Allah curses the one who does the actions (homosexual practices) of the people of Lut." repeating it three times; and he said in another Hadith: "If a man comes upon a man then they are both adulterers." Here, he considered homosexuality tantamount to adultery in relation to the Shari'ah punishments because it is an abomination on the one hand and the definition of adultery applies to it on the other hand.....As for lesbians, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said about them: 'If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both Adulteresses'."

According to the Bible, homosexual acts are "to'evah," an abomination.

In Leviticus 18:22, it is written: "And you shall not cohabit with a male as one cohabits with a woman; it is an abomination."

And in Leviticus 20:13, it is written: "And if a man cohabits with a male as with a woman, both of them have done an abominable thing; they shall be put to death; their blood falls back upon them."

78.3% of the population of the US is religiously leaning against homosexuality, yet you wonder why I bring religion into it?

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Re: Gays Stage "Kiss-in" Protest Against Pope in Spain
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2010, 12:22:14 PM »
I really don't see what you're complaining about. To be honest, it's really offensive to refer to homosexuals as "this bunch" and noone is forcing anyone on you. They're requesting to be allowed to get married and for people to stop complaining about them. Marrige is a human right, not a heterosexual privilage.

And what does the Pope have to do with gays getting married? These protesters are morons.

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