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really stupid question
« on: November 06, 2010, 07:03:30 PM »
Okay, now this is going to sound--probably--really stupid, but on the Head of St. John the Baptist, I swear I don't know.....and as most here would know, I'd be the last person to know anyway.

Is it possible to find a piece of music on the internet that someone with loudspeakers on their computer (this computer has no loudspeakers, as they'd be useless) can hear?

Like a link one clicks on, and it plays?

I was talking to a friend just an hour ago, and commented that something composed by the Elizabethan William Byrd reminds me of a now-gone-from-this-time-and-place older sister.

"The Carman's Whistle," circa 1580 or 1590, on the harpsichord.

Is it possible to find all music on the internet, or just the popular stuff?

Seriously, I don't know this stuff.
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 07:11:42 PM »
Something like this?

http://tunespotting.com/melodies/1104862158795.asp

I just typed into Google: Carman's Whistle Harpsichord .

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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 07:22:50 PM »
Something like this?

http://tunespotting.com/melodies/1104862158795.asp

I just typed into Google: Carman's Whistle Harpsichord .

Now, I would have no idea.

Does it make sound?  Does the link actually play the piece?

And that is the piece; I thank you, sir.
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 07:30:26 PM »
It plays, but as to whether it is a harpsichord, I have know idea.

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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2010, 07:44:16 PM »
It plays, but as to whether it is a harpsichord, I have know idea.

It's a keyboard synthesizer, not a harpsichord.....

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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 07:49:16 PM »
It's a keyboard synthesizer, not a harpsichord.....

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I would have never have known.  I listen to music as much for the lyrical story as for the music itself. 

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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 07:58:48 PM »
Frank,

YouTube has audio. Usually you can type in the name of what you want to hear or see and it'll pull up what you're looking for. Is this what you were asking about?

For the hearing impared I would suggest http://www.deaf-tube.com/

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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 08:01:06 PM »
I would have never have known.  I listen to music as much for the lyrical story as for the music itself. 

Well.....I'm not much of a musician, but the sound of an oscillator is very distinctly different from a totally analog stringed instrument like a harpsichord.  If you listen to it carefully you can hear that the notes are "perfect" in modulation......that is impossible on a stringed instrument, where you will hear the primary notes as well as the nearby harminics, and the waveform is far from "perfect".

Modern electronic instruments certainly have their place in music, but the "richness" of an analog recording of purely analog instruments is simply not the same thing.

But then I still have a turntable, and vinyl (when I can find them).

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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 08:07:42 PM »
Well.....I'm not much of a musician, but the sound of an oscillator is very distinctly different from a totally analog stringed instrument like a harpsichord.  If you listen to it carefully you can hear that the notes are "perfect" in modulation......that is impossible on a stringed instrument, where you will hear the primary notes as well as the nearby harmonics, and the waveform is far from "perfect".

Thank you for explaining that; I was wondering what the difference was.

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But then I still have a turntable, and vinyl (when I can find them).

That's what I have to use; the old 33.3 LPs, because the bone-conduction head-set was built for only that.

The head-set weighs about 15 pounds, and is from the 1960s.....but of course one doesn't have to wear it; wrapping it around a kneecap or the thigh works just as well.  But it's really bulky.

I don't image any hearing person would like to hear these LPs; I've been told they're scratched, that they hiss and skip.  But given my level of "reception," I don't pick that up.
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 08:23:45 PM »
There are some samples of actual medieval harpsichord music at this link (although they are digital dubs), played on restored instruments from various European countries:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bpl/hpsi.html

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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2010, 08:29:52 PM »
There are some samples of actual medieval harpsichord music at this link, played on restored instruments from various European countries:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bpl/hpsi.html

I dunno how it is with other people, but I can "pick up" harpsichord music best (with that bone-conduction thing, of course), but piano music barely, if even at all.

And thus my most unfortunate question asked some time ago, which brought lots and lots of wrath upon my head--"having the harpsichord, why was it then necessary to invent the piano, a cruder sort of instrument?"
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2010, 08:32:03 PM »
Thank you for explaining that; I was wondering what the difference was.

That's what I have to use; the old 33.3 LPs, because the bone-conduction head-set was built for only that.

The head-set weighs about 15 pounds, and is from the 1960s.....but of course one doesn't have to wear it; wrapping it around a kneecap or the thigh works just as well.  But it's really bulky.

I don't image any hearing person would like to hear these LPs; I've been told they're scratched, that they hiss and skip.  But given my level of "reception," I don't pick that up.

Your headset is interesting.....are you able to discern the melody and harmony from it??

Also, shouldn't a more modern version be available that is not nearly so cumbersome?

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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2010, 09:15:31 PM »
bonephones were popular in the 70s
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2010, 04:47:55 AM »
Your headset is interesting.....are you able to discern the melody and harmony from it??

Also, shouldn't a more modern version be available that is not nearly so cumbersome?

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When you go take a hearing test, they put you in dark room and give you a pair of head-sets connected to a big panel.  Such head-sets are not ordinary retail goods.

An old used pair of these head-sets, and a couple of other things, are "jerry-built" (attached) to a stereo/radio/cassette player from, I'm guessing the late 1980s; some sort of one-piece plastic job.   I didn't make it; a good friend in Lincoln who likes to tinker with musical stuff built it while I was gone, wandering around the socialist paradises during the mid-1990s.

It works conducting sound through vibration through solid objects, not through the air.

It sounds pretty basic and commonsensical, but there's not a market for it, any more than there's any worthwhile market for two left shoes specially-built for Americans of Albanian derivation.  My type of people are minuscule in the general population, and tend to not be interested.  I use this thing, for example, perhaps less than 50 hours an entire year, as it's a lot of trouble.
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2010, 03:36:19 PM »
Try these Frank:  http://www.lessloss.com/high-resolution-audiophile-recordings-c-68.html

http://www.referencerecordings.com/


http://www.chesky.com/core/body_librarydetails.cfm?newsid=198


Learn to do the MP3 downloads, and your computer will, with the right output (soundcard), drive the headphones. It's easy to learn.

All of the sites are audiophile  because that's where you'll find the recording(s) you are looking for. Most have "samplers" (free downloads)
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 04:54:28 PM »
I dunno how it is with other people, but I can "pick up" harpsichord music best (with that bone-conduction thing, of course), but piano music barely, if even at all.

And thus my most unfortunate question asked some time ago, which brought lots and lots of wrath upon my head--"having the harpsichord, why was it then necessary to invent the piano, a cruder sort of instrument?"

I must've missed that exchange, Frank, but as the harpsichord is a plucked instrument that happens to lay horizontally, and thus is not capable of dynamics (relative softness and loudness) and the piano was invented with dynamics in mind, I'd say the piano isn't "cruder" at all - just different in form, design, and even function than the harpsichord.

The harpsichord, being a soft-spoken instrument, was really intended for smaller chamber groups. Indeed, most of the baroque music of that period (roughly 1685, the year of Bach's birth to his death in 1750) was written for smaller groups when ensembles were indicated.

I don't have the entire piano pedagogy/history at hand, but if anything, I'd say the harpsichord morphed rather than changed completely.

I can't imagine a basso continuo part played on anything but a harpsichord or even organ - but not piano.
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 06:18:29 PM »
One of my cousins in Charleston, SC used to build harpsichords....
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 09:03:38 PM »
One of my cousins in Charleston, SC used to build harpsichords....

Squirrelly  things. Look at it too long and it goes out of tune.
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Re: really stupid question
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2010, 09:14:57 PM »
Squirrelly  things. Look at it too long and it goes out of tune.

Just like ANY stringed instrument......  (Tell Mrs Eupher I said , "Howdy" )  :fuelfire:
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2010, 07:02:57 AM »
Just like ANY stringed instrument......  (Tell Mrs Eupher I said , "Howdy" )  :fuelfire:

I'll do that. She has an amazing ear, though, much better than mine. She hears shit that only dogs and drunks can hear.
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