DUmp loving for Juan Williams.(not)

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4582174

cory777  (895 posts)          Thu Oct-21-10 01:35 AM
Original message
Juan Williams FIRED: NPR Sacks Analyst Over Fox News
      

Source: Huffington Post

NPR announced late on Wednesday night that it has terminated the contract of longtime analyst Juan Williams over his comments on Fox News that, when he is on a plane with Muslims, "I get nervous."

NPR's media reporter David Folkenflik broke the news on Twitter.

Williams' comments came during a discussion with Bill O'Reilly on Monday's "O'Reilly Factor." O'Reilly asked Williams if he had been in the wrong during his now-infamous appearance on "The View" last week. (There, O'Reilly's statement that "Muslims killed us on 9/11" caused Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg to walk off the set in anger.)

Williams replied that he thought O'Reilly had, in fact, been right. He continued:

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/21/juan-williams-...


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Let the hate begin.

la la (1000+ posts)       Thu Oct-21-10 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. maybe faux
   will now hire juan full time! he and bob bechtel(sp?) are slimy tongued losers when they appear on faux, losers in 'liberal clothing'

and yes, i've been forcing myself to watch at least a bit of oliely lately, too, he's on a real rant-run with the ladies of the view --tonight, the 'body-languange' expert he has on, pretty much called him out---she won't be back much either---;>0
   

Hulk  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-21-10 02:10 AM
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3. Adios Juan...don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....
   Juan...the token fool on the propaganda network has further lost what little credibility he ever had. Glad to see him go. Trying to play both sides against the middle seldom pays off in this world.

Frank Booth (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-21-10 02:17 AM
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4. This was way past due.
   It drove me nuts how we was the "independent" political analyst for Weekend Edition (which sucks by the way, even with Williams gone). His bitter, anti-progressive agenda wasn't very well disguised.

TheeHazelnut (43 posts)        Thu Oct-21-10 04:50 AM
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7. Good riddance...
   He was totally empty-headed and vapid when I first encountered him as the host of NPR's "Talk of the Nation." Then in his appearances on Fox News (which I only get through the clips on Media Matters) he has gone from mediocre to evil tool. Now he will join Fox full time, I'm sure. Would not be surprised if he turns this into lucrative speaking gigs and maybe even a right-wing-publishing imprint book denouncing NPR.

dotymed  (1000+ posts)          Thu Oct-21-10 05:39 AM
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8. Chimpy
   Made it his mission to stack NPR just like he and Daddy did to the SCOTUS.

Juan Williams...a right wing plant by the Bush family,who knew? 

How do you like your leftist "friends" now?

[littlelamb]

The DUmmies are so hateful

[zeitgeist]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4582174

Let the hate begin.

Juan Williams...a right wing plant by the Bush family,who knew? 

How do you like your leftist "friends" now?

As a fella once said, " a conservative is nothing more than a liberal who's been mugged".  At least Wan still has his wallet and watch.

Never have been a really big Wan Williams fan he has always impressed me as being a shallow thinker who is little more than a splendid example of affirmative action and  the herd mentality. Sometimes his blinding stupidity on FNS is just so stunning one can almost feel sorry for the poor dolt for opening his mouth and showing the world just how dumb he really is.

Guess he won't be invited to the NPR Christmas Winter Solstice party this year huh?

[dutch508]

Mr. Williams spouting leftist talking points on BO'R got annoying for me. Recently his new meme was to interupt the other panel members- another leftist 'talking' point.

I don't feel anything about the fact he finally said what he truely believes. Just one more example of the left's tolerence of people.

[jukin]

Yet many on NPR have blatantly painted Christians, Tea Partiers and conservatives will move you up the food chain.

[dandi]

la la (1000+ posts)       Thu Oct-21-10 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. maybe faux
   will now hire juan full time! he and bob bechtel(sp?) are slimy tongued losers when they appear on faux, losers in 'liberal clothing'


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Hulk  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-21-10 02:10 AM
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3. Adios Juan...don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....
   Juan...the token fool on the propaganda network has further lost what little credibility he ever had. Glad to see him go.

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Frank Booth (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-21-10 02:17 AM
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4. This was way past due.
   

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TheeHazelnut (43 posts)        Thu Oct-21-10 04:50 AM
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7. Good riddance...
   He was totally empty-headed and vapid when I first encountered him as the host of NPR's "Talk of the Nation." Then in his appearances on Fox News (which I only get through the clips on Media Matters) he has gone from mediocre to evil tool.

Racists!

 

[Ballygrl]

Double racists because Juan is black and hispanic.

I always liked Juan though I agreed with him rarely, he's a decent guy who just said what many of us feel.

[Ballygrl]

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) 
Thu Oct-21-10 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #13
46. Let's fire everyone there with a non-liberal viewpoint   Updated at 8:09 AM
   
Let's fire everyone who disagrees with us so we can have balanced commentary on NPR.

/sarcasm

Isn't NPR supposed to be balanced? yet fools in that thread think people who aren't regressive should be fired? the taxpayers are paying for NPR, I demand balance!

[Ballygrl]

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) 
Thu Oct-21-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #111
120. It is censorship pure and simple   Updated at 8:09 AM
   
So do you think firing someone for expressing a controversial viewpoint is a reaffirmation of the importance of free and open debate?

It is a warning from the top to other NPR people not to express viewpoints on this matter that might reflect the anxieties of a large portion of Americans.

The firing will also, sadly, confirm the views of many that a fair and open debate on their concerns won't be happening in the mainstream media anytime soon.

Which won't end the debate, of course. It will just confine it to venues and fora dominated by the right, with the left continuing to demand censorship of opposing viewpoints, while claiming that everyone who disagrees with them is an unhinged, right-wing racist.

And so goes civil discourse in America...

BTW, Rush just said that Brent Bozell is calling for a Congressional Investigation since NPR took money from George Soros.

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Oct-21-10 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #164
170. No it is NOT!    Updated at 8:09 AM
   
You are thinking about First Amendment rights, which protect Americans against censorship by government.

Censorship, however, is a bigger concept, and embraces more than just the violation of First Amendment rights.

<snipped>

People can be legally censored, as in the case with Williams. I've never suggested otherwise. My point is that I think the left should not support let alone applaud gratuitous censorship of viewpoints with which we disagree.

Why? One big reason is because what goes around, comes around.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #80
119. So who exactly are the "right-wing commentators" on NPR?
   
Or is it assumed that all commentators on NPR should be liberal, and therefore it's an affront to our sensibilities when a couple are actually secret right-wingers?

You tell me, because my parents have that damn station on all day and I don't know how they don't fall asleep listening to it.

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) 
Thu Oct-21-10 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #116
122. You sound like a Stalinist   Updated at 8:09 AM
   
Every purge of the newsrooms under Stalin was justified as "a higher standard of journalism."

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) 
Thu Oct-21-10 07:56 AM
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34. On the apparently huge appetite for censorship here   Updated at 8:09 AM
   
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 08:08 AM by Bragi
I find it disturbing how little support there is on this board for anything resembling the exercise of free speech with which we disagree.

Personally, I don't share Williams' overall anxiety about Muslims, but the fact is that the spread of radical politicized Islamicism is very much a contemporary issue and concern not just with Fox news viewers, but with many Americans, Euros, etc.

So this fellow Williams makes what seem to be some quite very mild statements reflecting this anxiety, and he gets sacked by what is supposed to be a "public broadcaster". And people here cheer on those who wielded the ax to censor this legal expression of free speech on a matter of public interest?

Seriously, if this board is reflective of those of us on the left and center-left part of the political spectrum, and I believe it is to some extent, then it's no wonder that the right wing in America and elsewhere virtually owns the debate on free speech.

Because of our apparent proclivity for supporting censorship of speech we don't like, we basically have nothing useful to contribute to that important debate. So the right wing, and the racists, get to conduct the debate virtually unopposed.

(If you need evidence of our irrelevance to free speech discussions, just do a search for "Molly Norris" on google. It will quickly become apparent that the right wing are about the only ones who have spoken out against those who have forced her into hiding because of her perfectly legal exercise of her first amendment rights.)

Bragi sweetie, why do you think DU is the laughingstock even in "liberal" circles?

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) 
Oct-21-10 08:30 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. non-biased = views I agree with   Updated at 8:09 AM
   
So Williams gets fired for expressing a viewpoint with which you disagree, and that means it isn't censorship?

I'd say that pretty well puts you in the mainstream on this board.

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) 
Thu Oct-21-10 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #38
48. Editorial balance = no conservative viewpoints? /nt

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #43
47. DU usually supports censorship of non-liberal viewpoints   Updated at 8:09 AM
   
I can't remember a case where DU posters generally opposed censorship of anyone with whom we generally disagree.

PassingFair  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #82
90. He was talking about brown skinned people on an airplane.
   
Not radical Islamicism.

Really, would it have been OK for Brian Williams to say that?

Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) 
Thu Oct-21-10 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #90
105. No, he was not talking about skin colour or citizenship   Updated at 8:09 AM
   
He was talking about people he might see on an airplane who are dressed (as is their right) in a manner than clearly self-identifies them as practicing and/or devout Muslims. Show me where the transcript suggests otherwise.

wmbrew0206  (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #47
88. Don't worry, your point has been made and I think it is reasonable.
   
If an NPR commentator had been fired over saying that 9/11 was an inside job this board would have more than a few posters screaming "CENSORSHIP!"

fascisthunter  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #47
138. that's a bullshit claim attacking all of us here
   
back it up now

Bragi  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) 
Thu Oct-21-10 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #138
143. I should back up what?   Updated at 8:09 AM
   
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 11:05 AM by Bragi
I can recall debates here where censorship was enthusiastically supported to supress views we disagreed with.

Like this one. And the debate on Terry Jones. And even the debate (such as it was) on Molly Norris.

So you show me a debate that took place here where the prevailing view was to oppose censorship against someone who said something with which we as leftists generally disagree?

fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #143
149. your perversion of what censorship is pretty plain to see here
   
I've been here for a while now, and you are full of it. I think you have a problem with progressives and liberals in general so get it all out and stop wasting bandwidth. Oh... there is no "we". Nice try though.. I do not see your views as progressive or liberal, and I have read your posts.

slackmaster  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #127
142. Either he's not allowed to feel that way, or not allowed to disclose his feelings in public
   
I get nervous at rap concerts because of the misogynist and racially charged lyrics.

Go ahead and fire me.

slackmaster  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 10:50 AM
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140. Fired for making an honest disclosure about his personal feelings about something
   
The Thought Police are gaining more power every day.

Milo_Bloom  (1000+ posts)      
Thu Oct-21-10 12:11 PM
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193. So tired of the political correct BS.

[ColonialMarine0431]

I'm sure all 5 of NPR's listeners will miss him.

[true_blood]

TheeHazelnut (43 posts)        Thu Oct-21-10 04:50 AM
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7. Good riddance... Would not be surprised if he turns this into lucrative speaking gigs and maybe even a right-wing-publishing imprint book denouncing NPR.

Nawwww,.......Juan's got too much class. Something you DUmmies lack.
And for the record, Juan was right. 

[dandi]

Is it my imagination or has some of the hive started to become self aware?

 

[Carl]

 

fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #143
149. your perversion of what censorship is pretty plain to see here
   
I've been here for a while now, and you are full of it. I think you have a problem with progressives and liberals in general so get it all out and stop wasting bandwidth. Oh... there is no "we". Nice try though.. I do not see your views as progressive or liberal, and I have read your posts.

 

In other words,you are not one of us so shut up dammit,we don`t censor anyone.

[AllosaursRus]

As a fella once said, " a conservative is nothing more than a liberal who's been mugged".  At least Wan still has his wallet and watch.

Great analogy! Musta been one smart cookie, either that, or a lib that was mugged! lol!

[TheSarge]

fascisthunter  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Thu Oct-21-10 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #47
138. that's a bullshit claim attacking all of us here
   
back it up now

All you have to do you little goon is search your own archives at the DUmp.

Every other damn week there is some fantasy...demand...wish thread about Fox News being shut down and Rupert Murdoch thrown in jail.

[miskie]

Juan Williams is a fairly typical Democrat, and although I tend to disagree with him.. well.. almost all of the time, he is one of the few Dem commentators that doesn't go full-on moonbat the moment he is behind a microphone or in front of a camera.

No wonder the primitives dislike him.

[AllosaursRus]

Juan Williams is a fairly typical Democrat, and although I tend to disagree with him.. well.. almost all of the time, he is one of the few Dem commentators that doesn't go full-on moonbat the moment he is behind a microphone or in front of a camera.

No wonder the primitives dislike him.

He does tend to parrot the left's talking points 24/7, though.

However, he was asked for his opinion! His opinion, ya DUmbass lurkers!

Since when does that get you fired? Hell, if that were the case, I'd of never had a job more than 10 minutes!

If it could get you DUmped from the human race, you DUmmies would be extinct!

[seabelle]

Double racists because Juan is black and hispanic.

I always liked Juan though I agreed with him rarely, he's a decent guy who just said what many of us feel.

I so agree with you ballygirl !  Juan said exactly how I feel, but afraid to say aloud in our PC nanny society.

[AllosaursRus]

I so agree with you ballygirl !  Juan said exactly how I feel, but afraid to say aloud in our PC nanny society.

Well, I guess I'm privileged to live in a part of the country with like a minded population!

We're not afraid to say so in public. Oh, sure, we have our fair share of nanny staters fleeing the great state of kalifornica, but thank goodness they're still a minority!!

[Airwolf]

I hope Juan sues the crap out of NPR. Even if he loses it will put a drain on them ecomomically if they get defunded and in a bad light when it goes to trail and he wins.

[miskie]

He does tend to parrot the left's talking points 24/7, though.

However, he was asked for his opinion! His opinion, ya DUmbass lurkers!

Since when does that get you fired? Hell, if that were the case, I'd of never had a job more than 10 minutes!

If it could get you DUmped from the human race, you DUmmies would be extinct!

He absolutely does - he just seems to avoid liberal tinfoil topics, and he is willing to put those talking points up ' in the lion's den ' -- unlike most moonbats who are only willing to spout off in an echo chamber. And I can respect that. 

[Ballygrl]

Good news, Roger Ailes upped Juan's salary and extended his contract, 3 years 2 million dollars. Also it seems that NPR is getting a lot of angry messages on their website for firing Juan, I didn't know they even had a comments section, so heading over there to find the comments.

[Duke Nukum]

A couple of years ago someone on some message board told me Juan was actually more conservative then we might think and good friends with Justice Thomas and quite a bit of commentary on FNC is him playing the part of a liberal.  Have no idea if this is true but I tend to think it is because he has these rational moments that defy the voluntary brain-death that liberalism is.  Usually after such a "screw-up" he will veer hard to the left to keep his "character."

[Ballygrl]

Here's the comments section at NPR:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130728584

Oh and look at this comment from the NPR comments section:

Today (Thursday) is NPR's pledge drive day. If you disagree with NPR's decision to fire Juan Williams, why not call the pledge drive line (1-800-549-3565), and make the following pledge: "I pledge not to give another dime to NPR until they reverse their rediculous decision to fire Juan Williams"?

Conservatives need to call and tell them why you won't donate to NPR.

[Carl]

I honestly hope that Juan will use this to get a thought process going.
So often he would just repeat whatever leftist cliche was supposed to fit a given topic and then not have a moments ability to defend it.

Perhaps now he will take a look at an issue and then question in his mind if his "reaction" to it is a script or makes sense.