Small Businesses do not create jobs

[ScubaGuy]

I love their economics and business discussions.  This is what you get when someone who never had a job beyond flipping burgers trying to discuss business.

More DUmmie stupidity on display

ThomWV  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Oct-20-10 02:48 PM
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Small Businesses do not create jobs
   
One of the Republican bits of nonsense that is cited as the gospel truth time and time again is that small businesses create jobs. Horseshit! It is demand that creates jobs and saying that small businesses do it is just buying into the old Ronald Reagan crap about "supply side economics'; the notion that if you build it they will come. Small businesses can hire all the people in the world and it won't bring a single new customer through the doors - just because a service is available does not mean that people will avail themselves of it.

So if in the first place it is not true that small businesses create jobs it equally untrue that giving tax breaks to small business owners will create jobs. Jobs are created when there is demand for the products and services what workers are capable of producing. Demand is created by buyers and they come from exactly two sources. First the private sector may buy goods and services. The other possible purchaser is the Public sector, which is Government. Now get this, in bad times when the Private sector is not able or willing to create do the buying that leaves only one source for the demand that is necessary for new job growth. That's right, it takes Government spending to bring jobs back. I don't know any simpler way to explain it.

B Calm  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Oct-20-10 05:47 PM
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24. Had a guy tell me today that he's never been offered a job from a poor man.
   
I told him the rich man never has given you a job either. I told him it's time he start giving credit to the people who did give him a job, the consumer! I told him if not for the consumer that rich bastard wouldn't have anyone to buy his product. He was speechless, and I laughed out loud!

Funny how I'm working for two clients right now that started businesses in which there was no demand.
The guys had a good idea, got some evil rich people to invest, hired people to develop the product and now that they've demonstrated what could be done there's a load of demand building. 

[NHSparky]

So who does, asshole?

Imagine that--2/3 of the economy depends upon small businesses, but they don't create any jobs.

But in a sense, that's sort of correct.  They can't create any jobs when the government taxes the ever-loving shit out of them.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Stupid that deep shouldn't just hurt, it should hurt bad.

[Carl]

The very computer we all are looking at and the one Thom is posting from was never a demand of the population until some innovators took the chance to bring it into the public realm.

Thom just gets hung up on the concept of free money and tries to make a theory fit it.

[JohnnyReb]

Stupid that deep shouldn't just hurt, it should hurt bad.

...and in the end ...be fatal.

[true_blood]

B Calm  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)     Wed Oct-20-10 05:47 PM
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24. Had a guy tell me today that he's never been offered a job from a poor man.
   
I told him the rich man never has given you a job either. I told him it's time he start giving credit to the people who did give him a job, the consumer! I told him if not for the consumer that rich bastard wouldn't have anyone to buy his product. He was speechless, and I laughed out loud!

Again with the stupidity!
How does that consumer get that product in the first place DUmmie?!?! Didn't someone have to start a company with a plan to market/make something and hire people, hence a business, to make the said product?! If it's a good product, he succeeds. If it's a crap product, he fails. Something the imposter in the White House and you DUmmies, don't understand yet. Probably never will as well.

[diesel driver]

...and in the end ...be fatal.

Yeah, but a SLOW fatal.

Very slow, and very painful.   

[JohnnyReb]

Y'all forget, the only small business people the DUmmies know are their corner dope dealer....and they're to smart to hire DUmmies because they know they'll smoke up all the profits.

[Randy]

Huh, I had a job in my early 20's that I got from a 35 year old self made multi-millionaire. He borrowed $10,000 and with hard work and wise business decisions made it grow, quick. He sold the company at 40 and retired. He lived the dream. Now he's just a man of leisure, still living the dream.

[BlueStateSaint]

Yeah, but a SLOW fatal.

Very slow, and very painful.   

With lots of flame and smoke.

[diesel driver]

With lots of flame and smoke.

Nice touch.      

[BlueStateSaint]

Nice touch.      

H5 for noticing.  I try my best.

[jukin]

Demand has for the most part been met in any mature product. What small business does is find a niche.  For the lurking DUchebags that is a very specialized portion of the market.  Niche markets are 98% due to an entrepreneur that comes up with an idea or product. Said entrepreneur then risks their time, money, and sweat to bring to market the idea or product.  Then the entrepreneur needs to sell the product or idea to the public. Finally, the entrepreneur has to find the capital or risk more of their own to manufacture and market the product or idea. After all that the entrepreneur still has to be concerned that some piece of shit low life lawyer will frivolously sue them out of business. In short, the entrepreneur makes a product to fill what could be a possible demand and pushes that demand.

To a DUmbass looking at a horse and buggy would definitely conclude that it is the cart that is in the lead.  Sadly, all progressive politicians think the same thing concerning economic development.  They also think that 1+1=BLUE.

[ScubaGuy]

The very computer we all are looking at and the one Thom is posting from was never a demand of the population until some innovators took the chance to bring it into the public realm.

Thom just gets hung up on the concept of free money and tries to make a theory fit it.

Just look around in whatever room you happen to be and a you'll probably be able to identify dozens of items that were created before there was any demand.  Especially in the case of technology or electronic devices.

[JohnnyReb]

Just look around in whatever room you happen to be and a you'll probably be able to identify dozens of items that were created before there was any demand.  Especially in the case of technology or electronic devices.

What you talk'n 'bout Willis?....You know George Washington demanded an iphone.

[BlueStateSaint]

They also think that 1+1=BLUE.

Wha . . . And all this time, CCers have been telling me that the DUmors think that 1+1=POTATO. 

Which is it?

[crockspot]

Babies do not create pissy diapers! It is the water they drink that creates it!!!!!!11111oneelevenfoamatthemouth!!!11

[ColonialMarine0431]

To think that these people are allowed to vote. 

[Happy Fun Ball]

Here's a perfect example of how small businesses create jobs, and how the free market economy works in general.

Step 1: Markus Persson (Notch) creates a product called Minecraft. This was all done by one person over the past year or so.
Step 2: Demand for the product is nothing short of legendary, despite only being in beta.
Step 3: Profits pour in, along with tons of publicity.
Step 4: Notch invests the profits (you know, instead of hoarding it like the idiot moonbats claim all rich people do) and hires five people.
Step 5: A business about as small as it gets has just created five jobs, and is likely to create more in the near future. No government subsidies were needed, no stimulus bill was needed, and no taxpayer money was forcefully taken (it was all voluntary and it didn't go to the government).
Step 6: Those five people now have a source of income, which they will use to spend on other things and further the growth of other businesses and the economy.

All this because one person created something people wanted...unlike electric cars, which few people want and has to have the government force people to buy it if it's to be sold at all. If something is good enough, it shouldn't require government subsidies to keep it in the black.

[NHSparky]

Yeah, but a SLOW fatal.

Very slow, and very painful.   

I disagree--because he'll be whining and hogging resources we could be putting to better use.

Double-tap to the back of the head.  Quick, easy, and end result is the same.

[USA4ME]

ThomWV  

..... small businesses create jobs. Horseshit! It is demand that creates jobs .... it is not true that small businesses create jobs .... Jobs are created when there is demand for the products and services what workers are capable of producing.

That means jobs are created because of demand but there can't be any demand for a product that doesn't exist because people having jobs producing must first make the product in order for the demand to materialize therefore there are no jobs until demand exists and there is a purchase of a product that hasn't been made by someone who has a job that can't exist because there has to be a demand of something that hasn't been produced .......

Talk about tying yourself up in knots to try and explain away the simple concept that someone or group of someone's invest capital to start a business and create a product and/or service in order to sell to the public thereby creating a demand or otherwise filling a demand that already existed.  This notion that a demand has to exist before a business can capitalize on the need for a product is ridiculous.  You gonna try and tell me people demanded pet rocks before some guy came up with the idea of taking a rock, throwing it in a box with an instruction manual, and then selling it to the public?  Yeah, people around the world were demanding that to take place before it happened. 

ThomWV primitive, you've got to be one of the biggest idiots that has ever been unfortunate enough to have graced the planet earth.  Shut up.

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[diesel driver]

I disagree--because he'll be whining and hogging resources we could be putting to better use.

Double-tap to the back of the head.  Quick, easy, and end result is the same.

Too quick, painless, and merciful. 

Besides, you'd have to empty the clip just trying to hit something inside their empty skulls.

[JohnnyReb]

Too quick, painless, and merciful. 

Besides, you'd have to empty the clip just trying to hit something inside their empty skulls.

You're working on the wrong end....I think.

Use a high pressure air hose to the rectum. It's the orifice from which they speak and where they store all their facts so it must be close to whatever they use for a brain.

[diesel driver]

You're working on the wrong end....I think.

Use a high pressure air hose to the rectum. It's the orifice from which they speak and where they store all their facts so it must be close to whatever they use for a brain.

I believe you're correct.  Sparky and I both are working on the assumption that they actually have brains, and in the anatomically proper position.  So, we would need to aim for the rectum, because that also where they have their heads anyway.   

[BlueStateSaint]

I believe you're correct.  Sparky and I both are working on the assumption that they actually have brains, and in the anatomically proper position.  So, we would need to aim for the rectum, because that also where they have their heads anyway.   

Use a shotgun.  An 00 Buck enema should do the trick.