Earth to Ghey lovin DUmbasses- reality is calling- No repeal of DADT

[Tucker]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x476512

impik  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 04:27 PM
Original message
What do you know, Obama CAN'T change DADT by executive order
   
He just said so.

Deep13  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 04:28 PM
Response to Original message
1. Yes he can, under wartime stop-loss rules. nt

He heard it on the TV. It must be true.

RaleighNCDUer  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. No, he can't change it - he can simply order the cessation of discharges under it.
   
It would still be in place, and as soon as the 'military need' was past, it would be in full place.

But since we seem to be in a forever war, he could order it not be enforced until such time as congress does overturn it.

Congress can't overturn it. For one thing, after Nov. 2nd, you won't have the votes.

Deep13  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Right, that's what I meant. nt

Sure you did. Why didn't you say that then?

vaberella  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
20. That's repealment. That's a minor stop which means people will be persecuted if he leaves office.
   
or when he does. Some people think it's worth the time. Whatever. I want the full load and we're almost there. The Repub senators are ****ing around.

Trust me on this. It ain't gonna get any better.

DrToast  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 04:44 PM
Response to Original message
7. He doesn't have to change it. He can stop enforcing it.

treestar  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. No President could just stop enforcing a law
   
Would it be OK if Bush stopped enforcing OSHA regulations?

Great question.

treestar  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 04:44 PM
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8. I do not see why people find it so difficult to understand
   
Obama wants to do it by statute.

They can disagree with that approach. But they don't have to jump to the conclusion he doesn't want to do it at all because he doesn't pick their method.

Makes you wonder

Deep13  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. That approach has failed.
   
If this Senate won't do it, the next Senate sure as hell won't.

Reality bites.

GodlessBiker  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. I wonder if he thinks other civil rights issues should have been resolved by statute rather than ...
   
by court order. Think back on all the work courts have done to advance civil rights. Is he saying that, in general, all those decisions were errors and should have been fought to the last breath to give Congress time to act on its own?

Moreover, he seems to want to ignore the judiciary as a co-equal branch of government. Judicial decisions are no less and no more valid than congressional decisions.

This guy slept through civics class. He's clueless as to how our Government works.

jillan  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 04:50 PM
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13. We used to bash the last administration for passing legislation by executive order.
   
We used to have FITS because the bsh administration acted like they were a unitary government.

So is it okay when it's our guy in the WH and executive order is used for the issues that we want passed, but it's not okay when it's one of them in the office passing legislation that we loathe???

Can't have it both ways guys

Dirty stinking freeper mole.

[Carl]

This will not end well at the DUmp. 

[Karin]

Obama is not wild about Teh Gheys.  During the campaign, he said he believed marriage was between one man and one woman.  Teh Gheys said "Oh he's just saying that, he doesn't really mean it." 

king zero also said "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everyone."  People (such as Christopher Buckley) said, "Oh he doesn't really mean that, he's too smart to try that." 

And all the associations and various nefarious pals?  People said, "Meh.  Doesn't resonate with me." 

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie vaberella says,  "I want the full load and we're almost there"

Uh...vaberella...would you like to change your wording? ...or were you in the middle of something?.

[Tucker]

DUmmie vaberella says,  "I want the full load and we're almost there"

Uh...vaberella...would you like to change your wording? ...or were you in the middle of something?.

Well............You know liberal women, free love and drop of the hat and all that. Two bit whores come to mind.

[blitzkrieg_17]

Obama is not wild about Teh Gheys.  During the campaign, he said he believed marriage was between one man and one woman.  Teh Gheys said "Oh he's just saying that, he doesn't really mean it." 

king zero also said "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everyone."  People (such as Christopher Buckley) said, "Oh he doesn't really mean that, he's too smart to try that." 

And all the associations and various nefarious pals?  People said, "Meh.  Doesn't resonate with me." 

He's just in the

[true_blood]

RaleighNCDUer  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Thu Oct-14-10 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. No, he can't change it - he can simply order the cessation of discharges under it.
   
It would still be in place, and as soon as the 'military need' was past, it would be in full place.

But since we seem to be in a forever war, he could order it not be enforced until such time as congress does overturn it.

OOHHH REEEAAAALLLYYY?!?!?