Primitives don't want God to get any credit

[dandi]

malaise  (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-12-10 06:47 PM
Original message
The Chilean rescue is not a miracle
 It is the best rescuers from all over the planet converging for good. Bravo to science and cooperation among human beings.
Thank you engineers, NASA experts, miners from across the globe, rescuers, et al.

The religious wackos are gathering but they must not be allowed to claim this one - not when their dismissal of science would have led to the deaths of every miner waiting for help.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9303744

How hateful does one have to be to want to exclude God from everything?

There was no miracle in the sense of the rock and soil rising up into the air to uncover the miners. The miracle lies in the strength, perseverence, intelligence and courage God breathed into Mankind that separates men and women from beasts and makes us sacrifice for one another.

doc03  (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-12-10 06:51 PM
Response to Original message
2. I'm looking for Bobby Jindal to show up holding a 
 shovel taking credit for the rescue.

awoke_in_2003  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-13-10 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #7
125. and?...
 i jebus is so ****ing powerful, he should have been able to prevent this. Or, is this all part of god's plan? If so, he is a ****ing sadist.

intaglio (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-13-10 04:13 AM
Response to Reply #7
145. Exploitation, cost cutting and callousness put them there
 Science, engineering and empathy are getting them out. The evangelical minister, the baptist minister and the catholic priest have done nothing except utter some prayers.

malaise  (1000+ posts)      Wed Oct-13-10 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #145
188. Ding ding
 Not just utter prayers but now claim that they are the reason the people have been rescued...the definition of vultures.

snooper2 (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-13-10 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #7
214. no, Jesubus did it...
 It was a test for them...

He engineerined everything just for this moment..the creation of the Earth, the concept of countries, different governments, and this mine..

It's been thousands of years, but everything done on this planet has been for the lead-up to this mine rescue...

Odin2005  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-12-10 08:53 PM
Response to Original message
37. UGH, I hate when people call things like this a "miracle".
 It is an insult to the people working on getting those folks out!

cbdo2007 (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-12-10 09:06 PM
Response to Original message
47. Who knows? Without God they may all have been dead a few months ago.
 How do you know?

malaise  (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-12-10 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. By your logic the said ' gawd' sent those rocks
 into the mine in the first place and created this entire mess.

No some mine owners decided to take chances with the lives of poor people as usual.

awoke_in_2003  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-13-10 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #47
140. funny how god...
 is never there to prevent disaster. But he sure is there to take credit when people bust their ass to save others. I have worked with people like this god- they are ****ing worthless.

Goblinmonger  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-12-10 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #66
70. So do you think it is invalid to ask that the correct people get credit?
 Should people just say god did a great thing when this was the effort of a great deal of talented, dedicated, and caring humans?

And the "divide" meme gets a little tiring. If I had a dollar for everytime someone on DU told me to stop talking about issues important to atheists because it is just going to divide us or give the Repubs something to talk about, I could buy myself that new Kindle I have my eye on.

This construction in the DUmmies' minds of some kind of competition between the rescue workers and God is exceedingly odd and very spiteful on a childlike level.

The DUmmies never once stop to think that the rescue workers themselves, many of them likely being people of faith themselves, are giving the glory to God as Christians are instructed to do, instead of assuming the hubris of, "I did it all myself."
 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[soleil]

I hate these kinds of threads. It is so ridiculous. Just another crap on Christian threads they have daily. They say Christians don't get bad treatment, blah blah blah, but they sure make up for that on DU.


And yes, I think it is a miracle. Calling it a miracle in no way takes away from the heroes and geniuses it took to make this happen. In fact, it adds to their heroism.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Who gives a flying **** what the DUmmies think?  I bet the Chilean miners are thanking God and that's all that matters.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I'm curious.

When did you Christians formally condemn engineering and other applied sciences?

BTW - jolly good work blindly guessing how to build those massive cathedrals on faith

[soleil]

Who gives a flying **** what the DUmmies think?  I bet the Chilean miners are thanking God and that's all that matters.

Yep. You got that right.

I find it sad, though, that someone would go out of their way to say this wasn't a miracle. And then get applauded for it. 

[jukin]

I anxiously await how Obama will somehow claim credit for getting the miners out.

Mark my words.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I anxiously await how Obama will somehow claim credit for getting the miners out.

Mark my words.

In the mortal words of Wee Willie Pitt, "Bank It!!!!"

[Karin]

I don't know where they get the idea that Christians reject science.  What, are they looking at a handful of kook fringe 5 people who don't believe in dinosaurs?  Wait a minute....I seem to recall from my time at Faithfreedom.org discussing this with devout Muslims, who believe in literal creation as told in the Koran.  They refused to believe in dinosaurs, even with the fossil record right in front of them. 

Anyway, I'm a Christian and I believe science, engineering and technology are gifts from God, to improve our lot in life in the time we have on this earth.  Simple as that. 

I prayed hard for these miners, and rejoiced in this great news, and thanked God for it. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

Wonder what the DUmmies will think of the 0bumbler's reaction:

Washington 12:34 p.m. - President Obama watched as the first of the trapped Chilean miners were rescued Tuesday night and found the story "inspirational," according to White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

Gibbs quoted the President as saying the rescue was "a story with a happy ending" and he is "enormously proud" of the efforts of the American companies and federal agencies who assisted the Chilean government in the rescue efforts.

Gibbs also said President Obama will likely give remarks at the start of his 1:50 p.m. ET Rose Garden event on Wednesday and hopes to speak with some of the CEO's of those American companies and the Chilean government soon.

LINK

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Wonder what the DUmmies will think of the 0bumbler's reaction:

LINK

They know he's just using religious imagery to pander to the opiated masses.

And they approve of that fact.

[njpines]

There was no miracle in the sense of the rock and soil rising up into the air to uncover the miners. The miracle lies in the strength, perseverence, intelligence and courage God breathed into Mankind that separates men and women from beasts and makes us sacrifice for one another.

Wonderfully put, dandi!

[BEG]

The 18th miner just came out. First thing he did was get on his knees and pray. I would love for them to say to the miners faces what they post on their board.

[IassaFTots]

Well, they better not look at any close ups of the miners.  That is sure to dissapoint. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39642183/displaymode/1247?beginSlide=1/from/toolbar

[soleil]

Well, they better not look at any close ups of the miners.  That is sure to dissapoint. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39642183/displaymode/1247?beginSlide=1/from/toolbar

Oh, but didn't you see what one poster said? They are dumb. Not educated, so of course they are going to believe in silly God. 

[Odin's Hand]

What should be done is for every miner sent up, a DUmmy is sent down and then cap the excavation tunnel.

[dandi]

I find it sad, though, that someone would go out of their way to say this wasn't a miracle. And then get applauded for it. 

That's why they're DUmbasses, my dear.

[true_blood]

I think it's a miracle they are still alive to be able to be rescued.
Hey DUmmies, why don't you go march in some ghey parades or something?!?

[BEG]

Oh, but didn't you see what one poster said? They are dumb. Not educated, so of course they are going to believe in silly God. 

Soleil, that is my problem with liberals in general. That thread only highlights their bigotry.  If you don't agree with them you are stupid.

[Ralph Wiggum]

What should be done is for every miner sent up, a DUmmy is sent down and then cap the excavation tunnel.

I bet we can fit all 1,200 of them in that hole.

[Karin]

Some of them are wide-loads, though, you'd have to tamp them down with a plunger or something. 

I forgot to add, very nice commentary, Dandi, in the OP. 

[AllosaursRus]

What should be done is for every miner sent up, a DUmmy is sent down and then cap the excavation tunnel.

If that happened, every single one of the asswipes would find God inside of 3 minutes!

One wonders what kept these guys alive for the unbelievable amount of time they have been trapped? I'll lay odds, their faith was A#1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

****in' Asswipes!

Livin' proof there ought to be a law eliminating the sane from kickin' the shit outa DUmmies!

Talk about "Blanket Amnesty"! Now there's an idea that would fly with the American People, and the Chileans too, I'll bet!

[BlueStateSaint]

There was no miracle in the sense of the rock and soil rising up into the air to uncover the miners. The miracle lies in the strength, perseverence, intelligence and courage God breathed into Mankind that separates men and women from beasts and makes us sacrifice for one another.

H5 given.  Dead on.  ( symbol used, in addition to the H5 given)

[Godot showed up]

The 18th miner just came out. First thing he did was get on his knees and pray. I would love for them to say to the miners faces what they post on their board.

Kind of disappointing there were only 33, though. 16 more and we could have had Miner Forty-Niner.

If he didn't have a daughter named Clementine, he could always have adopted to make it work.

[BlueStateSaint]

The 21st was the one with the wife and girlfriend.  The girlfriend was there; the wife said that she wished the girlfriend well, but she didn't want to be there.

[crockspot]

The real miracle is that every DUmmy on Earth is not struck by lightning several times a day.