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Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« on: October 12, 2010, 04:18:52 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9298033

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Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
Posted by BrentWil on Mon Oct-11-10 08:47 PM

I thought this was a decent argument for getting rid of these laws. Opinions?

http://reason.com/archives/2010/10/11/abolish-drunk-driving-laws


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Consider the 2000 federal law that pressured states to lower their BAC standards to 0.08 from 0.10. At the time, the average BAC in alcohol-related fatal accidents was 0.17, and two-thirds of such accidents involved drivers with BACs of 0.14 or higher. In fact, drivers with BACs between 0.01 and 0.03 were involved in more fatal accidents than drivers with BACs between 0.08 and 0.10. (The federal government classifies a fatal accident as "alcohol-related" if it involved a driver, a biker, or a pedestrian with a BAC of 0.01 or more, whether or not drinking actually contributed to the accident.) In 1995 the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration studied traffic data in 30 safety categories from the first five states to adopt the new DWI standard. In 21 of the 30 categories, those states were either no different from or less safe than the rest of the country.

Once the 0.08 standard took effect nationwide in 2000, a curious thing happened: Alcohol-related traffic fatalities increased, following a 20-year decline. Critics of the 0.08 standard predicted this would happen. The problem is that most people with a BAC between 0.08 and 0.10 don't drive erratically enough to be noticed by police officers in patrol cars. So police began setting up roadblocks to catch them. But every cop manning a roadblock aimed at catching motorists violating the new law is a cop not on the highways looking for more seriously impaired motorists. By 2004 alcohol-related fatalities went down again, but only because the decrease in states that don't use roadblocks compensated for a slight but continuing increase in the states that use them.


More in the actual argument.
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 04:29:44 PM »
I saw that thread yesterday.

An article from reason.com has been allowed to remain?

Another droplet seeps through the dam.

If they follow that link they might start reading conservative and libertarian articles.

Skinner better be prepared to stick his finger in the dyke.
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 04:37:12 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on October 12, 2010, 04:29:44 PM
I saw that thread yesterday.

An article from reason.com has been allowed to remain?

Another droplet seeps through the dam.

If they follow that link they might start reading conservative and libertarian articles.

Skinner better be prepared to stick his finger in the dyke.

snicker.

you big anti-ghey racist teabagger!>!>!!!
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 10:36:17 AM »
Oh suuuuuuuuuuuuure! These asshats want to take away my bread and butter! How many jobs will this cost? DUI's is what pays the bills in the bond industry!
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 10:48:20 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on October 12, 2010, 04:29:44 PM
I saw that thread yesterday.

An article from reason.com has been allowed to remain?

Another droplet seeps through the dam.

If they follow that link they might start reading conservative and libertarian articles.

Skinner better be prepared to stick his finger in the dyke.

Any particular ahem dike you had in mind there MSB??


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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2010, 10:51:09 AM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on October 13, 2010, 10:36:17 AM
Oh suuuuuuuuuuuuure! These asshats want to take away my bread and butter! How many jobs will this cost? DUI's is what pays the bills in the bond industry!

Dude, bail bondsmen are like predatory lenders, man!!! (DU mode)
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2010, 11:02:50 AM »
Another reason why I don't care for Reason or Lew Rockwell.

Both those sites will rot your brain.  But perhaps the major reason that thread has been allowed to remain is the fact that half those assclowns drive drunk/stoned/otherwise impaired anyway.

At least the half that have their own beat up POS cars, versus riding the bus or leeching rides off mom.
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 12:18:06 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on October 13, 2010, 10:51:09 AM
Dude, bail bondsmen are like predatory lenders, man!!! (DU mode)

Well, don't do anything to make it necessary to use 'em! Works the same as those check loan places! Funny how a lot of the same people use both!

I don't know many criminals that have enough cash on hand to cover their bail. Most usually it's their families who foot the bill, hopin' they'll change. Rarely happens!

We do serve a purpose! 'Specially when they decide to skip court in order to duck out on their just deserts!
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 12:49:32 PM »
Quote from: zeitgeist on October 13, 2010, 10:48:20 AM

Those are some bad ass looking dudes! Oh wait,......?!?! :evillaugh:
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2010, 03:36:05 PM »
Quote from: zeitgeist on October 13, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
Any particular ahem dike you had in mind there MSB??




That is so cold!

But, H5 given! :hi5:
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2010, 03:57:13 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on October 13, 2010, 11:02:50 AM
Another reason why I don't care for Reason or Lew Rockwell.

Both those sites will rot your brain.  But perhaps the major reason that thread has been allowed to remain is the fact that half those assclowns drive drunk/stoned/otherwise impaired anyway.

At least the half that have their own beat up POS cars, versus riding the bus or leeching rides off mom.

I was pissed at Reason ever since the 06 election and Spew Rockwell is just a lib moonbat, period.
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2010, 11:28:31 PM »
I know a few people here in this town that would do more then dissagree wit hthe thought of reppealimjg DUI laws. This year alone we have lost about a half dozen people to drunk drivers. Four of them were on bikes coming back from Sturgis and were barely 100 miles out when some jakoff kid in a truck ,driving drunk and on a suspended licence at 4;30 in the afternoon killed four people at one time. Two of them were members of the American Legion post I belong to.  The na day later anothe person after a night of drinking slammed his car into one being driven by a doctor taken his two sons to school. The kds survived but the doctor didn't the accident was at 8:30 in the morning. Someone stopped at the accident scene to help and his story was tha tit was the hardest thing to do because the oldest son kept asking 'Is My Daddy Dead?"

Yeah repealing DUI laws is just what we need.
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Re: Abolish Drunk Driving Laws
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2010, 10:34:49 AM »
Quote from: Airwolf on October 13, 2010, 11:28:31 PM
I know a few people here in this town that would do more then dissagree wit hthe thought of reppealimjg DUI laws. This year alone we have lost about a half dozen people to drunk drivers. Four of them were on bikes coming back from Sturgis and were barely 100 miles out when some jakoff kid in a truck ,driving drunk and on a suspended licence at 4;30 in the afternoon killed four people at one time. Two of them were members of the American Legion post I belong to.  The na day later anothe person after a night of drinking slammed his car into one being driven by a doctor taken his two sons to school. The kds survived but the doctor didn't the accident was at 8:30 in the morning. Someone stopped at the accident scene to help and his story was tha tit was the hardest thing to do because the oldest son kept asking 'Is My Daddy Dead?"

Yeah repealing DUI laws is just what we need.
That's a horrible situation.
Repeal DUI?! You DUmmies got life in general all backwards! But yet, they want more and more power to teh gheys and mooselims and their mosques.  :censored:
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