primitives discuss disability fraud

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=250x4147

Oh my.

mrcheerful  (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-07-10 12:34 PM
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Ok, I just finished posting on DU where someone posted that disability fraud was wide spread. Wtf? As most who post here has either been through the process or just started the process knows proving a disability keeps then from working is not just a matter of having your doctor saying your disability keeps you from working, which is a wide spread myth that started with wing nuts. I just have a hard time believing that SSI and SSDI are loaded with fraud, I'm sorry but I just can't see anyone waiting 3 or more years to win a case and having to deal with all the stress involved in the process doing it for the $690 a month disability check. Correct me if I'm wrong and fraud is wide spread.

Oh my again.

The cheerful primitive must not have many "credits" built up with Social Security.

According to the latest mailer from Social Security, if franksolich were to go on disability, he'd get $1023 a month.

Plus free medical care.

I have no idea how that compares with what others get, or would get, but there's no way in Hell franksolich hops on the gravy train unless he loses both arms and both legs, and is rendered permanently comatose.

Ozymanithrax  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-07-10 12:38 PM
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1. Disability fraud is a Republican and Libertarian talking point...

between anchor babies... the illegal alieans are raping our horses and beheading our women.

DJ13 (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-07-10 12:41 PM
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2. Im seeing a lot more wingnut thinking posing as Democrats recently

As the GOP descends into the crazy it looks like many former conservatives are migrating into our party, and liberals and moderates become pushed into a near minority in the process.

Jamastiene  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-07-10 12:49 PM
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5. It would seem that way. 

I think the wingnuts are just the louder minority as of right now though. There seem to be more than there really are.

mrcheerful  (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-07-10 12:52 PM
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6. One wing nut on a site I stopped posting on a few years ago once posted she could tell if someone was disabled or not by the number of posts the person made on the site. Same wing nut also claimed that there are no poor people in America because the poor here had computers and cable TV.

DJ13 (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-07-10 01:19 PM
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9. I'd like to meet that person and beat 'em over the head with my cane

madokie  (1000+ posts)      Sat Oct-09-10 07:51 AM
THE RABID SOONER PRIMITIVE
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12. or run it up their you know what sideways

Frances (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-07-10 01:51 PM
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10. Back in the good old days the Repubs said it was a television set

Reagan exploited that kind of thinking; it helped elect him President and enabled his Party to help out the truly disadvantaged: the CEOs of large corporations!

old mark  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-07-10 12:44 PM
THE OLD PRIMITIVE
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3. It's RW bullshit - an excuse to be against all disability funding...

"What ELSE do those people want us to do for them?" Very similar to the old but persistant "welfare Cadillac", also RW bullshit.

They have a never ending supply.

AmericanMan1958 (91 posts)        Thu Oct-07-10 12:45 PM
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4. What a bunch of haters

would like to see them go through what it take to get disability, plus the yearly hassle of updating..

Say or Do whatever it takes to win, play on ignorance.

Boy, do we have a lot of ignorance in this country.

Mole.

Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-07-10 12:53 PM
THE DEFROCKED WARPED PRIMITIVE, #09 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
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7. In addition, you don't live all that well on it. It's parsimonious, in fact

Anyone who can work does work because you live much better with a paycheck than you do on the dole.

What a lot of picklefaces are calling fraud is the type of disabled person whose disability isn't apparent at a glance, people with severe fibromyalgia, mental health issues, MS in temporary remission, and others. They see people who look the same as they do, not missing limbs and not in wheel chairs or walking with white canes, and ASSume they're milking the system, while the truth is that they are disabled and no one will hire them even if they could manage to do part time jobs.

I wish there was a way to shut picklefaces up without having disaster happen to them personally, but that has never been the case.

mrcheerful  (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-07-10 01:17 PM
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8. What always frustrated me was how people never saw all the things I forced myself to do and only focused on the things I either couldn't do or wouldn't do, really being a janitor is easy work or so said people who didn't have a handi cap or didn't work as a janitor.

I kept on telling them to try working while dragging around a 50 pound weight on your ankle cause after an hour of being on my feet thats what my leg felt like, not to mention the leg cramps that would wake me up screaming after an 8 hour day of walking or standing.

Then there was the falling and dropping things after 2 weeks on the job. Desk work caused uncontrollable hand shakes after 30 minutes plus unbearable back pain after 45 minutes of sitting.

Yeah my only problem was I am lazy. My biggest problem was only a few people seen me enough to see me go through any of this as I tend to avoid people.

madokie  (1000+ posts)      Sat Oct-09-10 07:49 AM
THE RABID SOONER PRIMITIVE
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11. I'm on disability and I agree with you

I'm a Vietnam vet who was exposed to agent orange and have a circulation problem in my legs that keeps me from doing meaningful work in the construction and factory field where I spent my time as a worker. When I was stricken and I applied for my disability I was given disability on the first try but i can't see how there can be much fraud because of the process you go through to get there.

Hell who in his right mind would trade making as much in one week as I get now in a month and go though the process to get to there? I don't believe there is that much fraud I think it is like you said something started by the wingnuts who don't like anything anyone else does or has if they don't have it or are doing it themselves, sometimes the idiots won't like it even if they are doing it too. Lots of crazy people in this world who are getting crazier by the day. The teabaggers is a testament to that.

[Freeper]

Ok here is my thoughts on this.

Person A says that some people are defrauding disability. Person B who is on disability automatically thinks that they are included in that statement of "some". That right there tells me they have a guilty conscience.

I just have a hard time believing that SSI and SSDI are loaded with fraud, I'm sorry but I just can't see anyone waiting 3 or more years to win a case and having to deal with all the stress involved in the process doing it for the $690 a month disability check. Correct me if I'm wrong and fraud is wide spread.

Ohh you would be surprised how many people try for years and years to get it who could work if they just had any self respect. My soon to be wife sees people on a daily basis trying to scam SS. She's one of those mean people who denies those people who you say don't exist DUmmy.

[blitzkrieg_17]

The teabaggers is a testament to that.

Another publik ejukashun success.

[Ballygrl]

mrcheerful  (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-07-10 12:34 PM
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Ok, I just finished posting on DU where someone posted that disability fraud was wide spread. Wtf? As most who post here has either been through the process or just started the process knows proving a disability keeps then from working is not just a matter of having your doctor saying your disability keeps you from working, which is a wide spread myth that started with wing nuts. I just have a hard time believing that SSI and SSDI are loaded with fraud, I'm sorry but I just can't see anyone waiting 3 or more years to win a case and having to deal with all the stress involved in the process doing it for the $690 a month disability check. Correct me if I'm wrong and fraud is wide spread.

From what I've heard, mental illnesses are fast tracked through the system, seems to me it might be pretty easy for someone to fake that.

[formerlurker]

Disability fraud is rampant.   Take a back injury, sprinkle in alcohol and drug abuse and viola, you are in.   

SSI should be reserved for those who are significantly disabled (medically fragile and/or cognitively impaired).

[longview]

I occasionally get to assess the functional abilities of people applying for disability.  At the end of my report I include employment options, if there are any (sometimes there don't seem to be).  Some people get excited and want to know what they can do to get into a certain job, or at least start thinking of possibilities, when they had thought there were none.  And some whine that working would be unfair to them and want that section removed.

[formerlurker]

From what I've heard, mental illnesses are fast tracked through the system, seems to me it might be pretty easy for someone to fake that.

I wish mental illness (an actual diagnosis) was fast tracked, but sadly it isn't.    I have no problem offering a safety net to those who are significantly impaired.    Too often you see these individuals walking the streets homeless talking to themselves etc.    They cannot advocate for or take care of  themselves, and have no one to do it for  them.    They are the first to be cut in state budgets.   It is truly heartbreaking.  

That said -- alcoholism and drug abuse IS fast tracked (of course due to depression and other such nonsense) and that nauseates me to no end.  

[jukin]

Finally a subject that the DUchebags have real credibility and experience in!!

[JohnnyReb]

If it's gonna take a doctor, a lawyer, a congress critter and 3 or 4 years to get disability, why not just get a job DUmmie....it would be a lot less trouble and more profitable.

[AprilRazz]

The gentleman my mother is dating is 100% disabled according to the VA but instead of sitting on his ass all day he works a full time job. Funny how he has legitimate medical issues and can still manage to get to work every day.

[true_blood]

The gentleman my mother is dating is 100% disabled according to the VA but instead of sitting on his ass all day he works a full time job. Funny how he has legitimate medical issues and can still manage to get to work every day.

That's awesome. That's because he has pride and self respect, something primitives lack.