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Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« on: September 29, 2010, 09:58:29 PM »
Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
By PEGGY O'HARE HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Sept. 29, 2010, 2:28PM

Asher Brown's worn-out tennis shoes still sit in the living room of his Cypress-area home while his student progress report — filled with straight A's — rests on the coffee table.

The eighth-grader killed himself last week. He shot himself in the head after enduring what his mother and stepfather say was constant harassment from four other students at Hamilton Middle School in the Cypress-Fairbanks Independent School District.

Brown, his family said, was "bullied to death" — picked on for his small size, his religion and because he did not wear designer clothes and shoes. Kids also accused him of being gay, some of them performing mock gay acts on him in his physical education class, his mother and stepfather said.

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This is really messed up. No surprise that most bullies come from broken down families and many turn out to be criminals.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2010, 10:42:52 PM »
Kids are weak-minded nowadays. I put up with bullying for a couple of years. When I decided enough was enough, I struck back. One of the "bullies" wound up at home for three days after I was done with him. He looked like hell when he came back to school. That was 8th grade for me,too. Today's kids need to grow some balls and strike back. That, of course, wouldn't be "socially acceptable" in today's emasculated world.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2010, 11:02:25 PM »
Kids are weak-minded nowadays. I put up with bullying for a couple of years. When I decided enough was enough, I struck back. One of the "bullies" wound up at home for three days after I was done with him. He looked like hell when he came back to school. That was 8th grade for me,too. Today's kids need to grow some balls and strike back. That, of course, wouldn't be "socially acceptable" in today's emasculated world.

If that kid was allowed to fight back, yeah it would be different. PC is to blame and its need to be eradicated like Communism and Islamism.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 05:26:26 AM »
Kids are weak-minded nowadays. I put up with bullying for a couple of years. When I decided enough was enough, I struck back. One of the "bullies" wound up at home for three days after I was done with him. He looked like hell when he came back to school. That was 8th grade for me,too. Today's kids need to grow some balls and strike back. That, of course, wouldn't be "socially acceptable" in today's emasculated world.

You can't compare today to our youth.  We didn't have instant access to torture someone via the internet social sites, cell phones, etc.    Everything is different now, and bullies are far more ruthless than just stealing lunch money and threatening to get someone at recess or after school. 

Some of these kids are being tortured.   Middle school is usually challenging as students are puberty age.   Most of these kids are sexually active now (another thing that didn't define our generation).    It's a real problem.     

Also note a straight A student who is on the smaller size and considered a geek of sorts is not striking back alone.    Has nothing to do with being socially acceptable. 

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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 05:28:10 AM »
If that kid was allowed to fight back, yeah it would be different. PC is to blame and its need to be eradicated like Communism and Islamism.

Sorry, not buying this.   The students are being allowed to bully, so why on earth would you think they are not allowed to fight back?   come on.   This is much more involved than that.  

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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 06:21:12 AM »
Sorry, not buying this.   The students are being allowed to bully, so why on earth would you think they are not allowed to fight back?   come on.   This is much more involved than that.  
There is a zero tolerance policy toward both bullying and  retaliation.Both kids would be suspended or worse expelled. Kids are not allowed to defend themselves in public schools been that way for the last 10 to 15 years. I've told all 3 of my boys to ignore that rule in school. If you can walk away do it but if it doesn't stop they may kick ass at will and will not be in trouble for it when they are suspended.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 07:00:07 AM »
There is a zero tolerance policy toward both bullying and  retaliation.Both kids would be suspended or worse expelled. Kids are not allowed to defend themselves in public schools been that way for the last 10 to 15 years. I've told all 3 of my boys to ignore that rule in school. If you can walk away do it but if it doesn't stop they may kick ass at will and will not be in trouble for it when they are suspended.

EXACTLY !!!!

I told mine to stay out of trouble if at all possible...BUT...if someone starts something and you're going to get suspended anyway....might as well get your moneys worth.

ETA: 3 weeks ago at sons school, 1 brother of 3 brothers, all brothers, jumped a kid right after school. The 1 brother was getting his ass kicked so all 3 of the brothers jumped on the one kid. 2 teachers broke it up and suspended all involved. Later that day at a parent teacher conference, the father of the 3 brothers beat up one of the teachers that broke up the fight...teacher had to go to ER for stitches....all the brothers and the father have been charged with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature with intent to do bodily harm.....good on the cops.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 07:38:27 AM »
There is a zero tolerance policy toward both bullying and  retaliation.Both kids would be suspended or worse expelled. Kids are not allowed to defend themselves in public schools been that way for the last 10 to 15 years. I've told all 3 of my boys to ignore that rule in school. If you can walk away do it but if it doesn't stop they may kick ass at will and will not be in trouble for it when they are suspended.

I agree and told my 3 daughters the same.  Each of them did have need to follow through and never got in trouble for it.

One school was bad about letting kids of favored families get away with tormenting other kids.  We tried to work with the district guidelines and got nowhere. Sophmore daughter couldn't physically fight the senior boy that was harassing her, in class, teacher present.  I suggested she pick up a computer monitor or other pricey piece of equipment and smash it on the floor when it happened again.  She did.  We had a meeting.  I promised it would happen every time she was harrassed.  It stopped.

Where were this kid's parents when all this was building up?  I can't help but wonder.

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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 08:24:01 AM »
Kids are weak-minded nowadays. I put up with bullying for a couple of years. When I decided enough was enough, I struck back. One of the "bullies" wound up at home for three days after I was done with him. He looked like hell when he came back to school. That was 8th grade for me,too. Today's kids need to grow some balls and strike back. That, of course, wouldn't be "socially acceptable" in today's emasculated world.

Problem is, Thor--the policy of the schools is to punish BOTH combatants equally, regardless of who started it, or what led up to any physical confrontation.  So when the kid is beat up AND gets sent home for trying to defend himself, what kind of message does THAT send?

The fact that schools do NOTHING to combat bullying is nothing new, either.  They talk a good game, but at the end of the day won't do shit to stop it for fear of "offending" someone.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 12:10:44 PM »
Problem is, Thor--the policy of the schools is to punish BOTH combatants equally, regardless of who started it, or what led up to any physical confrontation.  So when the kid is beat up AND gets sent home for trying to defend himself, what kind of message does THAT send?

The fact that schools do NOTHING to combat bullying is nothing new, either.  They talk a good game, but at the end of the day won't do shit to stop it for fear of "offending" someone.

You're exactly right. My daughter faced some of those problems when she was in public schools. (No private schools were within a reasonable distance).

Formerlurker, you're right in a way. However, those being bullied are typically those that follow the rules.

I recall back in 7th grade, when I started coming out of my shell, so to say. The school bully & "Mr. Popular", Al Jolly sat behind me in Life Sciences class. He kept at me for a while and one day, I turned around and backhanded him. (the teacher had stepped out for some reason) I feared for some sort of retaliation. It never happened. When I did that, the entire class was amazed.  I guess the point I'm trying to make is that, no matter how big or small one is, when they stand up to the bullying, it usually ends. BUT, as others have pointed out, the schools refuse to seek justice and discipline both parties as if they both were guilty.

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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 12:26:29 PM »
Those 'Zero tolerance' programs for bullying seem to be a whole Hell of a lot less rigorously enforced than stupid-ass 'Zero tolerance' programs for things like having an aspririn or vitamin pill, snack food from home, bringing a copy of 'American Rifelman' to read, or chewing a peanut butter sandwich into the general outline of pistol.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 05:46:07 PM »
Problem is, Thor--the policy of the schools is to punish BOTH combatants equally, regardless of who started it, or what led up to any physical confrontation.  So when the kid is beat up AND gets sent home for trying to defend himself, what kind of message does THAT send?

The fact that schools do NOTHING to combat bullying is nothing new, either.  They talk a good game, but at the end of the day won't do shit to stop it for fear of "offending" someone.
It's been like this for quite a while.  All of my children have been suspended once for fighting in school.  I've told them over and over, "Never start it, but if someone else hits you first, do your level best to put him/her in the dirt.  You will get suspended, but I will back your right to defend yourself to the school and to anyone else."  And they've all done it.  Once.  Because once is all it takes.  Bullies are cowards, they will not continue to harass someone that stands up for themselves.

The school will suspend both kids, but the other kids all know who the bully is, and who it's safe to harass.  Real life is an awful lot like the Charlie Brown shows...the teachers can go "blah, blah, blah" all they want...but the other kids respect a solid punch in self defense, and that counts for a lot more than words and suspensions.  :-)
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 05:49:56 PM »
Sorry, not buying this.   The students are being allowed to bully, so why on earth would you think they are not allowed to fight back?   come on.   This is much more involved than that.  

Zero tolerance rules in school.  The kid that defends himself is punished as much or more than the bully that started the fight.

Kids are NOT allowed to fight back as far as the school is concerned. 
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 05:51:30 PM »
There is a zero tolerance policy toward both bullying and  retaliation.Both kids would be suspended or worse expelled. Kids are not allowed to defend themselves in public schools been that way for the last 10 to 15 years. I've told all 3 of my boys to ignore that rule in school. If you can walk away do it but if it doesn't stop they may kick ass at will and will not be in trouble for it when they are suspended.

I told my kids the same.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 06:35:27 PM »
Those 'Zero tolerance' programs for bullying seem to be a whole Hell of a lot less rigorously enforced than stupid-ass 'Zero tolerance' programs for things like having an aspririn or vitamin pill, snack food from home, bringing a copy of 'American Rifelman' to read, or chewing a peanut butter sandwich into the general outline of pistol.

Very true. 

The cyber-bullying has been a tough one for districts to enforce discipline on as it did not necessarily occur on school grounds.    Districts are struggling with it, but honestly they do very little about bullying to begin with. 

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2010, 06:41:48 PM »
Very true. 

The cyber-bullying has been a tough one for districts to enforce discipline on as it did not necessarily occur on school grounds.    Districts are struggling with it, but honestly they do very little about bullying to begin with. 

I don't expect the school to do anything about cyber-bullying unless it is taking place on an electronic venue that they control, such as a school website.

I expect the parents to keep tabs on where their kids go and what they do while on-line.  You don't just give a child free unsupervised access to the web.  It's irresponsible to do so.
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Re: Parents say bullies drove their son to take his life
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As a mother I am heartbroken for that family
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