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03-27-2008 , 04:45 PM
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At least no one that will ever get the nomination as the system is currently.
The only person that actually understands the problem and is willing to speak out about it is called "Dr Nuts" by the NeoCons. The NeoCons don't want to hear that their big spending is a actually a problem.
Paul has a lot of flaws but at least he understands the problem, which is a lot better than the NeoCons, who don't have a clue.
Holy hell.....................Crazy Uncle Johnny as the voice of reason
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03-27-2008 , 04:45 PM
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**** Gramn!
The SOB, along with the rest of the Reagan team, INCREASED the cost of government during the Reagan administration. They also imposed substantial new taxes.
Reagan and Gramn are just like a lot of other NeoCons. They talk a good game but at the end of the day they will still support big government.
I understand spending very well.
However you sound like you don’t understand it so let me 'splain it to you.
The friggin government collects and spends too ******* much of our money. It about one-third the GNP. Maybe you, McCain and Gramn think that is acceptable but I don't.
No Republican or Democrat has the balls to actually cut back on the total cost of government. When a President like Reagan cuts back on the RATE of growth then weak minded morons, like obviously yourself, think that is the same as actually cutting the total size of the government, which it ain't. Not by a long shot.
To further your education let me also mention that the government is not satisfied with spending one third of the GNP on pork barrel projects and government union workers, they spend MORE than they collect. Our government is in debt to almost ten trillion dollars. That is with a NeoCon and his party in charge of the government for the last six of seven years.
McCain voted for the deficit budgets and his little pork barrel projects. He is as worthless on economics as Phil Gramn or GW Bush or any other NeoCon out there.
They just don't understand or care about the damage this tremendous budget and deficit is doing to our economy and we are all going to suffer for it.
Speaking of suffering I am not going to suffer the NeoCon fools any more. I expect that stupidly from the Liberals but I am not going to give my vote to anybody again that doesn't show me that he or her actually understand that we need to substantial reduce the Federal budget and only spend what we take in. McCain doesn't understand that and neither does Phil Gramn. At least Phil Gramn didn't demonstrate that understanding while working the job.
name ONE president that has reduced federal spending these past 225 years....
name ONE ....
and you may win a prize
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03-27-2008 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lacarnut
You need to read the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act which was specifically designed to control spending instead of giving your personal opinion. Phil Gramm, PHD, was a Economic Professor that understood the concept of spending only what you take in. He is a little government Republicians by his actions in the Senate.
Talk is cheap. Action speaks.
Reagan increased the Federal budget and Gramn was his main man in doing the dirty deed. At the end of the day his "understanding" of the budget meant more spending, more taxes and the deficit would increase.
He may "understand" the concept of a balanced budget but when given the opporunity to actually implement one he became weak minded like all NeoCons.
NeoCons like Gramn and McCain have lost all their credibility. At least they lost the credibility to those that have bothered to think a little bit
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03-27-2008 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking
Paul has a good handle on the domestic situation (except NAFTA) I wish more Republicans were like him on those issues, but his foriegn policy would literally mean millions of American deaths. I believe that to my very core.
What is wrong with not being involved in foreign entanglements that have very little to do with the security of the US?
If you really are "Constitutionally speaking" then you would remember that the writers of the Constitution warned us of foreign entanglements.
You do know that the old Soviet Union went bankrupted with their foreign entanglements, don’t you?
Don’t you think we should limit our foreign entanglements to those few that actually affect the direct security of the US?
What is crazy about that idea?
Wow comparing the US to the USSR......................no the Soviet Union didn't go bankrupt due to foreign entaglements...........they went bankrupt because they were COMMUNIST
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03-27-2008 , 08:17 PM
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I believe Iraq is of VITAL interest to our national security. More so than WWII.
Why so?
There were no WMD to speak of and even if there was it was more a threat to other Middle East countries than to the US. I know of no delivery system he had that could reach the US, do you?
Why was Iraq singled out when there were a half dozen other countries that were just as belligerent to the US, including Iran and Syria?
Nobody that attacked the US on 9/11/01 was sent there by Saddam. None of them were Iraqis, were they?
We had already beaten Saddam's ass for screwing around with our oil supply, hadn't we?
What was the threat to the US in 2003 from Saddam Hussein that warranted sending a 200,000 man invading army that is still there almost six years later. According to McCain we will be there for another 100 years.
What did the lives of 4,000 of the finest young men and women buy the citizens of the US?
Why was Bush so ******* anxious to attack Iraq when the people that ordered 9/11 were in Afghanistan and the people that actually carried out the attack were mostly from Saudi Arabia?
I have no idea why we invaded Iraq, do you? Surely it couldn’t be because Saddam was disobeying some silly little UN sanction, could it? Is that worth the deaths of 4,000 Americans?
Damn..................did I row over to the wrong Island this morning
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03-27-2008 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by S Downing
Let me begin with a time honoered tradition of moral clarity:
Why are you so Gawd-Dammed Stupid?
I stepped in more chemical weapons and SCUD parts on Taji than can fill three bunkers of the VRWC org. I'm coughing up a ****ing lung today because of 'unknown' contaminates I picked up 'somewhere'. Iraq shot at our planes flying Southern Watch a hundred times more than any Israeli naval event, and Saddam had paid hard cash to families of bomb-vest-wearing som-bitches for the last half dozen years. Securing a foothold in Iraq makes as much common sense as securing Sicily during WWII.
Not one som-bitch was Iraqi that flew a plane into the twin towers. Everyone of them cock suckers were fundamentalist types of islam. Saudi Arabia nobility should take more care of their people, but until they do, you gonna invade Saudi Arabia? Nuke the ****ing Haj? yeah, that will make the muslims happy.
Ever hear of the Domino effect? It works both ways.
We stopped too damned early in 1991. I was there then, and ****ing happy to finish it off, too. Crwal back in your shell if you are too much of a ***** to bring the moral light of clarity to the people of the world, rather than to white christian southern types.
4.000 sons and daughters of this great nation died to bring the hope of freedom to somewhere else. **** you for shitting on their deaths.
Don’t pull that NeoCon bullshit with me.
There were no WMDs of such a threat to the US to warrant sending one of the strongest invading forces ever in the history of the world.
These WMDs that you claim you stumbled over were no threat to the citizens of the US even if they existed at some low level. Where were the delivery systems? Where was the intent to kill Americans? Where was the attack on America or the smoking gun that said Saddam was going to attack America? Where are the dead Americans? What the hell were even concerned with the Middle East other than to buy oil?
It is a bullshit reason and you know it.
I suspect 50% of the countries in the world has WMDs. I suspect that of the countries that do have them at least half are belligerent to the US including Iran and Syria. Your suck buddies the Israelis have WMDs and a proven record of attacking the US and inflicting tremendously harmful intelligence damage but yet we didn’t invade them.
We had a reason to send troops to the Middle East in 1991 because Saddam was screwing with our oil supply. We had a reason to send troops to Afghanistan in 2001 to hunt down the perpetrators of 911.
We had no ******* compelling reason to invade Iraq. We had no compelling reason to be involved in Middle East politics for the last 40 years other than to make sure your ******* pieces of shit Israelis suck buddies live well. That is not a reason for 4,000 of our finest young men and women to give up their lives, is there?
We need to complete the mission in Iraq because we are in so deep now it would be worse to run away. However, we need to be honest and admit that we were stupid to get involved in the foreign entanglement of Middle East politics and really, really stupid to invade a country that was no threat to America.
Of course your NeoCon mind goes into a lock mode whenever you have to start thinking rationally like our Founding Fathers did.
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03-27-2008 , 09:41 PM
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The Democrats were in control of Congress when Reagan was President. They controlled spending bills. Got it. After Newt's tenure, the Repubs lost their way and went on a spending spree which continues to this day. I agree with you that the Repubs have screwed up ever since Bush took office when it comes to spending and deficit increases. However, Gramm is a true conservative and worked for less government and tax cuts.
Since everyone according to you is a neocon, can you name 1 politician that you call a conservative in Congress.
Excuses, excuses. Meanwhile each year the budget increases and the debt goes sky high.
Reagan could have vetoed any spending bill that was an increase but he didn't do it. He could have vetoed the increase in taxes but he didn't do it. He put up token resistence and then agreed to the increased budgets. Very weak.
The Republicans have been in complete charge of the government from Jan 2001 to Jan 2007 and the budget increased and the debt increased. McCain voted for the budgets. No spending bills were ever vetoed. The NeoCons in Congress like McCain voted the spending bills and the NeoCon President signed every one of them.
Necons are the problem just as much as the Liberals.
The sooner you figure that out the better.
Wow................so just Dr. Nutz.............who also fills the budgets with pork and then votes against them.............hypocrisy much
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03-27-2008 , 10:03 PM
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You think that Saddam would have nuked Israel if he had the chance?
I don't give a shit. It is not my business. Besides the ****ing Israelis are the ones with nukes and they are far more likely to use them.
I don't remember the US finding one nuclear bomb after the invasion, do you?
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I grandmother was Ukranian jew, Shitwad. His family was murdered by the czars. Then they were butchered by the Nazis. Then thy were slaughtered by Stalin. Not one spoke yiddish. Not one set foot in a temple. My Grandfather fought against the Nazis in WWII in the Red Army. at the end all he had was a one way ticket to the gulag. He made it out to America with a mom and her mom. Not one other family member was left alive.
I don't give a shit. You go fight for the ******* Israelis if you love them so much.
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I've spent the last 24 years of my life in the US Army. So **** you about that too. I'v bled for this country. For the COUNTRY.
It is amazing but serving your country doesn't necessarily make you smart, does it? Tim McVeigh also served in the US military.
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I shed my blood in Iraq this last time because I belived in being freedon to those people. The same freedom we have here. I bled for muslim Iraqis, you stupid son-of-a-bitch. For the little girl I talked to outside of Baquba, who wanted candy for her younger sister.
What freedom for America did you buy? Saddam was not a threat to the freedom of any American.
**** you...........damn antisemite, American hating ****wad. Your Pasulista ass is no different than that of Distressed American..........****ing troop hating bastard.
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03-27-2008 , 10:14 PM
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Trust me, Gator, I know I can't possibly understand the sacrifice of our soldiers and their families as you and others can and I acknowledge that.
You know that Ronald Reagan sent Americans Marines to provide security for the Israelis. The brave Marines did their duty but got their asses kicked pretty bad.
Reagan saw the cost of the dead Marines and decided it was not worth it.
We should all learn from Reagan.
It is not worth the blood of our finest young men and women to be involved in Middle East politics. It is a real cost to go along with the trillions of dollars.
We need to complete the mission in Iraq and then extract ourselves from the business of pissing off every Arab in the world to make sure that Israel lives well. It ain't worth it.
I'm sorry but having a suicide bomber hit your barracks isn't having your asses kicked.........
I've had enough.................I need a shower
