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primitives want to help people
« on: September 26, 2010, 03:22:31 PM »
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JustAnotherGen  (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-26-10 02:16 PM
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Urgent Care Physician this Morning: I just want to help people

I have insurance. I have prescription coverage. I have the bells and whistles. What I don't have is a willingness to call my GP every time I get a sniffle or a scrape.. . So tend to let things wait. Tuesday this past week I had a raised sore on my left thigh. By yesterday evening I had lump the size of baseball. When I woke up this morning my entire left thigh was completely swollen and I still had the baseball.

I left my boyfriend sleeping and drove myself to an urgent care facility in Somerset County NJ. I could barely walk in the door and the nurses could see I was in pain since I wore shorts.

First - they got me right into a room and helped me fill out the paperwork. Luckily, this facility is on the 'electronic' system so they were able to pull up my records from my regular doctor. They told me everything that I had, what medications I take, and noted that I have A.S. This man and woman were just wonderful, detailed, and caring. They send in a Doctor.

Enter the doctor who takes one look and says: That's an abcess(sp?). It's close to an artery. Raises his eyebrow and says "But not too close. Let's do it here. You can't sit in an emergency room for six hours. Don't want to risk it".

Turns out I had a cyst that gotten infected and that caused the abcess. He gave me local novocaine, incised, drained, put the 'cloth' in the wound to keep it from coming back. So after I got dressed he comes back and gives me to prescriptions. I thank this very young doctor for taking care of this so quickly and he says:

That's why I went into medicine. I just want to help people heal.

And I say: It's appreciated.

And he says: I wish MORe people COULD appreciate it. Sorry to be political (I was wearing an Obama t-shirt this morning  ) - but I think you'd agree. MORE people need the chance to appreciate it and not have to think twice about going to see a doctor. You have a privilege with your health insurance. Next time don't wait so long. Okay?

I winked at him and said "Okay". I'm going back Tuesday to have some of this cloth stuff removed.

Bye

And I as we were walking out he said: Don't give up on it. We need every person to have access to Medicare in this country. Just please don't give up so I can help more people. (He winks and says) - Gobama. Rest that leg and I'll see you Tuesday.

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I rarely post original threads or share my personal experiences. . . .But I had to share this today. This young 30-something Doctor just wants to 'help people' but he'd like to be able to help MORE people.

I'm sure he could have gone and worked in some big fancy practice or specialty - but instead he wants to Help People.

I'm going in with a check/donation to this facility on Tuesday on top of my co-pay. I've gotta gotta do it. They have a fund there for those who cannot pay - and I'm giving to it! So this guy can Help People.

The hypochondrial primitive (the "mopinko" primitive) and other primitives must think this particular primitive nuts.

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What I don't have is a willingness to call my GP every time I get a sniffle or a scrape...

Now, that is DEFINITELY not primitival.

Anyway.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-26-10 02:33 PM
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2. My docs are on the other end of the system and are in or have rejected the HMO treadmill and are burned out on insurance company crapola and being treated like dirt by MBA types who don't know squat about medicine but want to pretend they do.

They're good guys who knock the bills down because I'm uninsured and likely to remain so since HCR did nothing for older people with severe pre existing conditions like mine.

Docs aren't the enemy. Most of the conservatives have died off and the rest are outnumbered.

The brash young B-school guys in the three piece suits are the ones who are trying to kill us all, docs as well.

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enlightenment  (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-26-10 04:02 PM
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4. In addition to single payer, we need to address overall costs of becoming a doctor. The cost of education needs to be examined. WHY does it cost so much and take so much time?

According to the AMA, the average student debt in 2009 was $100,000. That's average - private schools ratchet that up almost double, as do specialist fields and extended residencies.

In the UK, according to the BMA, the average in 2009 was between 19,000 and 47,000 GBP (or, at today's exchange rate: between $28,500 and $70,500).

Most students who enrolled after 2006, when they started charging a tuition fee, finish with around 30,000 GBP ($45,000) of debt. Granted, these lower figures are comparably difficult for young doctors because of starting salaries - though it is a misnomer that NHS docs are paid pittance - the lowest pay a trainee doctor in the NHS will make is around $35,000; a consultant (post-residency doc) starts at around $111,700.

Why such a disparity in debt? It's not like the UK is teaching bloodletting and trepanning and pushing these folks out the door. The standard course of study is six years, with an additional two years (paid at that trainee rate, which tiers up each year) paid. That is soup to nuts - undergraduate to working professional. I suspect you could add a couple of years for specialist training - but it is still 8 to 10 years.

In the US, the average between matriculating into med school (a graduate program that assumes a four year undergraduate degree) and completing residency is 7 to 10 years . . . add the undergraduate degree and it comes to anywhere between 11 to 14 years - and it's only in the last 3-5 that you can expect any sort of livable income.

Something has gone haywire in the process.

Yeah, something sure went haywire.

The government got involved in medical care.

That's what went haywire.

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w8liftinglady  (1000+ posts)        Sun Sep-26-10 04:11 PM
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6. I agree 100%..there should be loan forgiveness in exchange for service.

My neurosurgeon is a great example.he entered medical school in 1985.didn't start practicing "On his own" until 1995.That is 10 freaking years(not even counting an undergrad degree).It is difficult to impossible for these docs to have any semblance of a "normal" life during this time.

My neurosurgeon was one of the ones who truly was "In it for the patient".

I am living,talking proof of that.

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Dappleganger  (1000+ posts)      Sun Sep-26-10 04:07 PM
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5. What a great story!

We are also VERY lucky to have several pro-universal health care doctors and dental folks in our circle. The kids' pediatrician (we've used her for 9 years), my family doctor and dentist are all from foreign countries (the Philippines and Russia) so that probably is why.

Russia and the Philippines have "free medical care for all;" why didn't those physicians stay there, then?
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Re: primitives want to help people
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2010, 03:29:58 PM »
I don`t care what tales they dream up the only reason that DUmmies want "free" health care is to find a route that excuses them from productive,working society.
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Re: primitives want to help people
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2010, 03:39:09 PM »
DUmmie creed: "Live long and suck that tit."

10 to 14 years of education and the DUmmies want them to work for minimum wage.
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Re: primitives want to help people
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2010, 04:06:20 PM »
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I left my boyfriend sleeping and drove myself to an urgent care facility in Somerset County NJ. I could barely walk in the door and the nurses could see I was in pain since I wore shorts.

That right there proves this was a bouncy that failed to bounce.  We all know DUmmies live for sympathy. Boyfriends ass wouldn't have been able to sleep for all the complaining the DUmmie was doing.
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Re: primitives want to help people
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2010, 04:07:44 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on September 26, 2010, 03:39:09 PM
DUmmie creed: "Live long and suck that tit."

10 to 14 years of education and the DUmmies want them to work for minimum wage.

Or some pottery and a free range chicken. :thatsright:
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Re: primitives want to help people
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 04:57:37 PM »
JUSTANOTHERGEN, thanks for that great story. ::) It was filled with so much  :bouncingidiot: :bouncy:, I had to laugh.
Thanks for playing though. :loser:
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Re: primitives want to help people
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 08:57:07 PM »
Quote from: Carl on September 26, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
I don`t care what tales they dream up the only reason that DUmmies want "free" health care is to find a route that excuses them from productive,working society.

Yeah, I notices that she managed to weave in the "I have a chronic disease" thing in there, too.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2010, 04:02:36 AM »
Quote from: Carl on September 26, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
I don`t care what tales they dream up the only reason that DUmmies want "free" health care is to find a route that excuses them from productive,working society.

That, and they never grew up past the mentality of, "I want free stuff!"
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2010, 07:31:51 AM »
What's all that winking going on in that bouncy?  It's dumb.  And the doctor did not say "Gobama."  True grownups don't talk like that. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 07:43:47 AM »
If this were true, which I don't believe for a minute, what is stopping the doctor from volunteering at a free clinic if he really wants to help people. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2010, 08:00:02 AM »
I wonder how many doctors, after going through years of study and training, want their income limited by keyboard-tappers in Washington. Medicare for all means that these people are just another set of government workers, like the people at the DMV.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2010, 08:29:27 AM »
The new DUmmie doctors will get a 6 weeks training course in advanced medicine right after they finish their GED.

You go in with a broken leg and the doctor tells you, "You have a broken leg, I can tell because it's pointing in the wrong direction. Here's a broken broom handle, 12 feet of duct tape and 2 aspirin, come back in a few months so we can see how you're doing......if you live that long."
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2010, 09:30:54 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on September 27, 2010, 08:00:02 AM
I wonder how many doctors, after going through years of study and training, want their income limited by keyboard-tappers in Washington. Medicare for all means that these people are just another set of government workers, like the people at the DMV.

Only they will not be paid as well as a unionized bureaucrat.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2010, 09:43:29 AM »
Quote from: Karin on September 27, 2010, 07:31:51 AM
What's all that winking going on in that bouncy?  It's dumb.  And the doctor did not say "Gobama."  True grownups don't talk like that. 

Agreed, this is bouncy. 0 bongs.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2010, 09:57:20 AM »
No bushes, no cops?  FAIL.
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2010, 12:18:16 PM »
Maybe I'm just extremely irritable today, but seriously.  What doctor and patient wink at each other?  The whole thing gives me the creeps.  And "Gobama."  What a stupid coinage of a fake word. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2010, 12:23:21 PM »
Quote from: Karin on September 27, 2010, 12:18:16 PM
Maybe I'm just extremely irritable today, but seriously.  What doctor and patient wink at each other?  The whole thing gives me the creeps.  And "Gobama."  What a stupid coinage of a fake word. 
I dunno, I kind of like the word NoBama.
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2010, 12:40:46 PM »
Why do they call it single payer when every freaking taxpaying person in the country pays the bill?

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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2010, 12:46:37 PM »
Quote from: Karin on September 27, 2010, 12:18:16 PM
Maybe I'm just extremely irritable today, but seriously.  What doctor and patient wink at each other?  The whole thing gives me the creeps.  And "Gobama."  What a stupid coinage of a fake word. 
I agree Karin.
Not only that Karin, but if the woman/lady was in such pain and was worried about the leg, does she think that we will believe her when she says she didn't want her boyfriend to go to the ER with her?!?! SO, she would go all by herself to an ER and wait all by herself, because she didn't want to wake her boyfriend?! Yeah,....all right. ::) :whatever: :loser:
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2010, 01:44:31 PM »
Quote from: delilahmused on September 27, 2010, 12:40:46 PM
Why do they call it single payer when every freaking taxpaying person in the country pays the bill?

Cindie

Because every single (tax)payer pays the bill, Cindie.  Semantics. :p
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2010, 02:06:51 PM »
Quote from: Karin on September 27, 2010, 12:18:16 PM
Maybe I'm just extremely irritable today, but seriously.  What doctor and patient wink at each other?  The whole thing gives me the creeps.  And "Gobama."  What a stupid coinage of a fake word.  

My neurologist winked at me as I was rolled into the OR to get stents placed. There was a wall of windows where doctors could watch the procedure. It was considered rather risky at the time to have stents placed with my auto immune disease so I was a nervous wreck but he stood behind the windows and stayed there the whole time. Also there were quite a few other doctors watching. When i came out of the OR he winked at me again a said "see I told you you were going to be fine".

I had a crush on this doctor before this, can you imagine how I felt after all the winking stuff. I would have jumped up off my hospital bed a ran away with him if he asked me.  
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2010, 02:48:43 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 04:14:06 PM »
I work in healthcare, see doctors and nurses every day, recently went to the dentist and the veterinarian...and I've NEVER had a political discussion with any of them.  Even the ones I see every day, but most especially not with an Urgent Care doctor that's never even seen me before.   ::) ::)  Now, I could almost see getting into a discussion with our regular family doctor...since he's been our doctor for 7 years AND goes to church with us.  I never have, but I could see that happening.  Maybe. 
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