Richard Dawkins Furious At Pope For Tying Godless To Nazis

[dandi]

Just chapter 3748 in the ongoing saga of Hive hypocrisy.

For years DUmmies have jeeringly referred to Christians as fascists and Nazis wanting only to take over the world, execute gays, subjugate women, ban other religions, and perpetrate all manner of Medieval horrors.

Let someone even tangentially compare atheists to Nazis though, and watch the outrage meter peg out.

Kolesar  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 11:42 AM
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Richard Dawkins Furious At Pope For Tying Godless To Nazis
   
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Posted in Liberaland by Alan • September 17, 2010, 11:45 AMET • 102 Comments »

Pope Benedict’s speech to Queen Elizabeth in England praised how Britain fought “Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society,” prompting one of the world’s best known atheists, Richard Dawkins, to proclaim it “a despicable outrage.” What set off Dawkins is this paragraph:

“Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism
 of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).”

Dawkins responds:

Even if Hitler had been an atheist, his political philosophy was not based upon atheism and had no connection with atheism. Hitler was arguably (and by his own account) a Roman Catholic. In any case he enjoyed the open support of many of the most senior catholic clergy in Germany and the less demonstrative support of Pope Pius XII. Even if Hitler had been an atheist (he certainly was not), the rank and file Germans who carried out the attempted extermination of the Jews were Christians, almost to a man: either Catholic or Lutheran, primed to their anti-Semitism by centuries of Catholic propaganda about ‘Christ-killers’ and by Martin Luther’s own seething hatred of the Jews. To mention Ratzinger’s membership of the Hitler Youth might be thought to be fighting dirty, but my feeling is that the gloves are off after this disgraceful paragraph by the pope.

Dawkins is urging a letter-writing campaign to British media in protest, adding:

I am incandescent with rage at the sycophantic BBC coverage, and the sight of British toadies bowing and scraping to this odious man. I thought he was bad before. This puts the lid on it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9157707#9157909

edhopper  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 11:52 AM
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Lying, ****ing, pedophile protecting,
   
Edited on Sat Sep-18-10 11:53 AM by edhopper
old, venial scumbag. That so many people still listen to this POS, and that somehow he is given respect from both the world media and heads of state, just because a few of old, kid loving, virgins decided to put him in his seat is reprehensible.
Dawkins was too easy on him..

Initech  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 12:01 PM
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9. Oh oh... The guy who was a member of the hitler youth is accusing others of being Nazis.

struggle4progress  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-18-10 12:11 PM
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15. Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory when Ratzinger was a member
   


... On December 1st, 1936, Hitler decreed "The Law concerning the Hitler Youth" which mandated that all young Germans (excluding Jews) would "be educated physically, intellectually and morally in the spirit of National Socialism" through the Hitler Youth from the age of ten onward. This law also effectively ended the Catholic Youth Organization which had managed to hold out for three years amid constant Nazi harassment. Parents who prevented their children from joining the Hitler Youth were subject to heavy prison sentences ...
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/hitleryouth/hj-pr...

Rex  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 12:06 PM
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11. Amazing, the way this guy lies and makes shit up...MUST be a Repuke!
   
How did they go from JP II, to this guy!? Did Cheney pick him out?

whosinpower  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 07:15 PM
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44. Perverting an existing religion is not anti religious
   
It is simply a perversion. Hitler himself often stated he was doing God's work in regards to his anti-semitic goals. He considered himself a christian - a catholic. He tried to bend the will of the church to his own end and foster a new faith within the Nazi ideology....but it is still faith - even if it is a perversion of the original.

Stalin, on the other hand - WAS anti-religious.

struggle4progress  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 09:08 PM
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64. I'm not really sure why you think a few snapshots can substitute for
   
a methodical attempt to understand what actually happened in Nazi Germany

The Nazis were quite serious about controlling Germany completely, and they were methodical and dishonest in their propaganda, which was mass produced using every available industrial technique: radio, movies, print ...

Within a few months of coming to power, they were physically beating the crap out of opponents, imprisoning or simply disappearing opponents, murdering opponents, taking control of existing organizations of every kind, outlawing opposing political parties, seizing and shutting down the opposition press -- all the while stupefying people with their lies

I suppose that any of those artefacts, that you point to, might be the subject of an interesting discussion, but I should think the interesting discussion would be the interplay between the German culture of the time and the Nazi propaganda

mitchum  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 03:00 PM
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29. To hell with that apologist vomit you just puked out

HiFructosePronSyrup  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 05:44 PM
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36. Der Popenfuhrer, on the other hand, knows all sorts of thigns about Nazis.
   
The ****er was one.

MattBaggins  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 07:59 PM
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49. Yes the Third Reich was at least a defacto Chistian Regime
   
It was not based on Atheism or Secularism.

Zoeisright  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 08:06 PM
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53. Exactly right.
   
It just blows my mind that people can't see that. The harm that organized religion has brought to the human race is incredible.

Zoeisright  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 08:08 PM
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55. Wow, what a stupid post. Organized religion was CREATED for tyranny.
   
Why don't you do a little reading yourself? The church promises 'heaven' as a carrot to the ignorant masses to forfeit any right to happiness or comfort in this life.

Most, if not all, atheists are thinkers and have excellent logical reasoning skills. Unlike the sheeple who follow anyone wearing a collar and carrying a cross. Shame on you.

[AllosaursRus]

Just when I think I've seen the most disgusting shit from the DUmp, they outdo themselves and prove me wrong!

Everyone of these P'sOS need to relive the death camps. Let's see just how sympathetic they would be to atheists then!

Sometimes these assholes really turn my stomach!

ETA:

I notice there's no mention of the "Faith in God" that kept many of these people alive in order to be liberated.............

Damn! These people have no soul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I pray to God he will let me watch as he sends these EVIL Dumbasses to hell!

[JohnnyReb]

Zoeisright  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-18-10 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #38
53. Exactly right.
   
It just blows my mind that people can't see that. The harm that organized religion has brought to the human race is incredible.

....except for the religion of peace....right DUmmie?....right?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Atheism itself is as much a matter of faith as is positive belief, it is merely the absolute belief in the converse of the equally-unprovable proposition that God exists.  Zoeisright is not only not very astute, but basically wrong in both her assertions and her choice of name.

[JohnnyReb]

From what I have read about Hitler and religion, he, like Obama, used it when convenient and disregarded it most of the time when inconvenient.

...and like Obama, considered himself as "The Won". 

[true_blood]

Hey DUmmies, **** OFF with your gay worshipping, terrorists supporting and your America declining values. **** YOU!


edhopper  (1000+ posts)  Sat Sep-18-10 11:52 AM
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Edited on Sat Sep-18-10 11:53 AM by edhopper
old, venial scumbag. That so many people still listen to this POS, and that somehow he is given respect from both the world media and heads of state, just because a few of old, kid loving, virgins liberals, communists and American haters decided to put him in his seat is reprehensible.

There you go ed hopper. Fixed it for ya. That's how I feel about your boy lord zero, the imposter, occupying the White House. You piece of garbage.

[jukin]

Religion is terrible except when compared to the religion of the state that 98% of the DUchebags are zealots of;

The top ten genocides of the 20th Century

1.   Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000
2.   Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
3.   Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
4.   Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
5.   Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
6.   Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
7.   Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
8.   Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
9.   Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
10.   Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000

More extreme fail for the most gifted and talented losers on the iterwebs.

[Mr Mannn]

Liberals and socialists fear and despise people of faith.
Bottom line: liberals/socialists worship the state and will brook no competition. Every time socialists gain power, they will persecute the church. Atheism is just an excuse. They lift up the state as their false god.

[Ptarmigan]

Atheism itself is as much a matter of faith as is positive belief, it is merely the absolute belief in the converse of the equally-unprovable proposition that God exists.  Zoeisright is not only not very astute, but basically wrong in both her assertions and her choice of name.

Exactly. Religion is having faith and this case that God does not exist.

[Boudicca]

Damn, I actually agree with this guy:

struggle4progress  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-18-10 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory when Ratzinger was a member
  


... On December 1st, 1936, Hitler decreed "The Law concerning the Hitler Youth" which mandated that all young Germans (excluding Jews) would "be educated physically, intellectually and morally in the spirit of National Socialism" through the Hitler Youth from the age of ten onward. This law also effectively ended the Catholic Youth Organization which had managed to hold out for three years amid constant Nazi harassment. Parents who prevented their children from joining the Hitler Youth were subject to heavy prison sentences ...
http://www.historyplace.c...rldwar2/hitleryouth/hj-pr...



My next door neighbor in Germany second time we were stationed there had been a member of the Nazi Youth when he was a child.  No option except disgrace and/or death for his parents had he not joined.  I don't know why some people over there are giving the Pope such a hard time about what he had no control over as a child.  Sheesh; I reckon they'd just hand over THEMSELVES to the executioner or warden to preserve their liberal principles.  HA!  Right.  They'd be shaking in their boots.
Too many folks making mountains out of molehills; some people need slightly thicker skins so every utterance with which they disagree doesn't destine them to a fainting couch.
Dawkins is a gadfly in the same vein as Wright, Sharpton, Phelps, et. al.  They are smarter than their followers/adherents in that they're making money over stirring up shitstorms.  Well, maybe not Phelps, unlike the others I think he is truly crazy, not greedy like the others.