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Offline franksolich

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primitives attempt to explain religion AND history to us
« on: September 11, 2010, 06:40:58 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9113893

Oh my.

A twofer.

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NNN0LHI  (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-11-10 07:02 AM
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Catholics in England were considered outlaws for nearly 300 years

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jyCSo...

Catholics in England suffered long repression

STONOR, England — For nearly three centuries after the Reformation, Catholics in England were outlaws.

But in the turmoil and persecution that followed the break between King Henry VIII and Rome, noble families such as the Stonors clung to their faith, "in spite of dungeon, fire and sword," as the Victorian hymn "Faith of our Fathers" put it.

"We're just stubborn, really," says Ralph Thomas Campion Stonor, the seventh Lord Camoys, a title bestowed on an ancestor for valor in the Battle of Agincourt in 1415.

Pope Benedict XVI will recall the years of persecution during his upcoming tour of Britain Sept. 16-19. He will visit Westminster Hall, the medieval chamber within the Houses of Parliament where the Catholic Thomas More was tried and convicted of treason in 1535. More refused to swear an oath accepting the annulment of King Henry's marriage, thus becoming one of the first of the legion of English Catholic martyrs.

The Stonor family's history mirrors the vicissitudes of Catholics, both noble and humble, who defied the law and risked death to preserve their faith through times of persecution until they regained full legal rights in the 19th century.

I think the grouchy old primitive is trying to draw a parallel here, between English Catholics of 450 years ago, and American Moslems of the present day, but it won't work.

Of course Roman Catholics were persecuted, and sometimes bloodily so, after the Dissolution (1532-1534), during the reigns of Henry VIII, Edward VI, and Elizabeth I, especially under the first.

However, by the time Elizabeth I came to the throne (1558), it was more a matter of politics than religion; the reluctance of English Catholics to take an oath of loyalty to the throne.  Those were the ones who became the martyrs.  But near the end, the only restriction upon Catholics was that they were not allowed to serve in the court or Parliament; as long as they behaved (as most were in the sparsely-populated North of England, this was not difficult), they were left alone.

However again, persecution of Catholics in England during this time was pretty mild, compared with persecution of Catholics in other places, and most especially when compared with the persecution of Catholics under the socialists during the twentieth century (eastern Europe, China, Vietnam).

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Kolesar  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-11-10 07:19 AM
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1. Now Britain is 58% agnostic and government has to fund their church to keep it from disappearing.

Dumbshit.

That's the Church of England, dating back to the 1530s, not the Roman Catholic Church.

And the Church of England has always been funded by the state; nothing new there.

By the way, 64% of the British don't believe in evolution either.

One can't blame English "fundies" (no such thing exists) for that, and wonders what they do believe.
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Re: primitives attempt to explain religion AND history to us
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2010, 10:45:31 AM »
As soon as I read the title of this thread, I grabbed some popcorn. This should be interesting and so full of shit on the primitives view point. :mental:

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Re: primitives attempt to explain religion AND history to us
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2010, 10:57:32 AM »
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Tesha  (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-11-10 07:51 AM
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2. "I will die rather than switch my belief from my invisible friend to your nearly-identical...
 invisible friend!"

Yeah, religion makes sense.

If it weren't for the fact that they're speaking about
"religion", if these folks spoke in their usual terms
(hearing voices in their head, believing that an invisible,
unprovable being tells them what to do
, believing that
they can't really be utterly destroyed, being afraid of
eternal torment, etc., and then often being willing to
use force to make *YOU* believe the same things), we'd
lock 'em up in the loony bin for their own protection!

But because they're talking about "religion", their
lunacy gets a free pass or is even encouraged by
society.

Tesha

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alphafemale  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-11-10 11:09 AM
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10. Yeah...I've said that. Even if they're right?
 I'd rather burn in hell forever than bow down to that asshole.


So I guess DU's official Religious Tolerance Week is over now?
 


 
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Re: primitives attempt to explain religion AND history to us
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2010, 11:10:49 AM »
As soon as I read the title of this thread, I grabbed some popcorn. This should be interesting and so full of shit on the primitives view point. :mental:

Frank, lets see here, try the French Huguenots.

Not a pleasent place to be back then.

The Catholic church had them hung, men, woman, and children as young as 2 years old with sand bags on their feet to break their necks.

First however the person had every bone in their body broken.

Religion that is controlled by the King or leaders of people was a dirty nasty business.  The EXCUSE to destroy anyone that they wished for their land or womanfolk.

Those that did not fight back were killed. Those that fought lived to see another day.

Faith and religion has morphed into a whole new world since those ancient times.  No one of the 11 hundreds would recognise the Christian church in today's world, but they certainly would recognise the Muslim Faith--.




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Re: primitives attempt to explain religion AND history to us
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2010, 02:51:24 PM »
Oh for cripes sake!

The split with the Catholic Church was nothing more than 'Ol King Henry wantin' an heir to his throne!

He was a lot like a DUmbass! He wanted to get laid again without repercussions from the Pope or the gubmint he controlled!

The Protestant faith is a direct descendant of Henry's own self aggrandized religion!

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alphafemale  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-11-10 11:09 AM
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10. Yeah...I've said that. Even if they're right?
 I'd rather burn in hell forever than bow down to that asshole.

Ya oughta be real careful what ya ask for DUmbass! You think this world sucks, waita ya get a load of him!
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Re: primitives attempt to explain religion AND history to us
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2010, 05:45:16 PM »
Since they don't understand either one, that should be an exercise in futility.
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Re: primitives attempt to explain religion AND history to us
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2010, 05:57:17 PM »
Since they don't understand either one, that should be an exercise in futility.

Ya know, if the rest the net had the same disdain for us as they do the DUmmies, this site wouldn't exist! Yet they just keep pluggin' along, convincing themselves they are the mainstream!

Simple scientific theory of "Cause and Effect".

They define the term ignorance and are blind to the fact!
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