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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #100 on: September 09, 2010, 06:08:26 PM »
I could find many things that I didn't like that Bush did, that wasn't one of them.  I would trade Presidents right now in a heart beat.

I was hoping for war bonds and a declaration of war and a complete mobilization of the home front.

Who knows if that would have worked out well.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #101 on: September 09, 2010, 07:42:22 PM »
I was hoping for war bonds and a declaration of war and a complete mobilization of the home front.

Who knows if that would have worked out well.

That's exactly what my other half and my son were looking for...as were many other people I know. I'm also sure there were many that I don't know, who would have been behind that decision in a heart beat.

However, then as now, there are too many people in this country who would never have gone along with it. If I remember back then ...they were called "Liberals". Now they refer to themselves as "Progressives". You may have heard of them?

Personally, I thought carpet bombing should have been considered. Particularly when, 3 months after my son took his oath to serve his country.....we began to bomb Iraq for a few days....
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #102 on: September 09, 2010, 07:47:49 PM »
That's exactly what my other half and my son were looking for...as were many other people I know. I'm also sure there were many that I don't know, who would have been behind that decision in a heart beat.

However, then as now, there are too many people in this country who would never have gone along with it. If I remember back then ...they were called "Liberals". Now they refer to themselves as "Progressives". You may have heard of them?

Personally, I thought carpet bombing should have been considered. Particularly when, 3 months after my son took his oath to serve his country.....we began to bomb Iraq for a few days....

I don't agree with going to war when it isn't an all in proposal.  I don't think it is fair to our troops.  Probably something in my mind from my parents.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #103 on: September 09, 2010, 07:55:11 PM »
I don't agree with going to war when it isn't an all in proposal.  I don't think it is fair to our troops.  Probably something in my mind from my parents.


I was not even referring to Congress....I was talking about the general public.

There would have been horrendous outcry from the Left. There are too many of them still around...who spent their late teens and early 20's protesting VietNam. I went to college with several thousand of them.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #104 on: September 09, 2010, 07:59:34 PM »
I don't agree with going to war when it isn't an all in proposal.  I don't think it is fair to our troops.  Probably something in my mind from my parents.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #105 on: September 09, 2010, 08:01:00 PM »
I don't agree with going to war when it isn't an all in proposal.  I don't think it is fair to our troops.  Probably something in my mind from my parents.

As a civilian I stay clear of discussion of military matters but do agree with that sentiment.
I don`t know if it would have been practical logistically and will defer to military folks on that.

Pretty sure the leftist media would have been in hysterics and done all they could to undo that...look at your former board and their idiotic claims of war crimes to this day.

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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #106 on: September 09, 2010, 08:29:05 PM »
As a civilian I stay clear of discussion of military matters but do agree with that sentiment.
I don`t know if it would have been practical logistically and will defer to military folks on that.

Pretty sure the leftist media would have been in hysterics and done all they could to undo that...look at your former board and their idiotic claims of war crimes to this day.

I question after 9 years we can occupy a country in combat without a formal declaration of war.  We are really inventing laws as we go along in my opinion.

I don't think torture is a good idea because I question its effectiveness other than as a propaganda tool.    I think the enemy surrenders easier if they think they will be treated well.  Could be totally wrong.

As far as war crimes go, I'm not sure why we sign these treaties.  You are declaring an intention to engage in uncivilized behavior (killing people) to reach an objective.  I don't know how people think you can create rules for that.

I've been thinking about that more and more lately. How can you create rules for when an objective is to kill another person and their objective is to kill you.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2010, 04:35:22 AM »
I question after 9 years we can occupy a country in combat without a formal declaration of war.  We are really inventing laws as we go along in my opinion.

The one flaw in your argument here is this:  What exactly comprises a formal declaration of war, and where is that formal declaration of war outlined in the Constitution?  It isn't, and that may be a deliberate area of vagueness for which the Framers intended. 
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2010, 05:51:27 AM »
Jake, I primarily just lurk on these political boards these days, but I have to say how great it is to see someone engage in thoughtful, intelligent and polite discussions on a board dominated by people who disagree with you. How you survived on the DUmp is truly a mystery.

In the past, I served as a guest correspondent of PJ-Comix's DUmmie FUnnies, and I must say, if all the inhabitants were like you, PJ would be out of a job. A-and if all conservatives were like you, I would still be a regular on FR.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #109 on: September 10, 2010, 06:09:07 AM »
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #110 on: September 10, 2010, 11:25:24 AM »

I don't think torture is a good idea because I question its effectiveness other than as a propaganda tool.    I think the enemy surrenders easier if they think they will be treated well.  Could be totally wrong.

Define torture.

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As far as war crimes go, I'm not sure why we sign these treaties.  You are declaring an intention to engage in uncivilized behavior (killing people) to reach an objective.  I don't know how people think you can create rules for that.

I've been thinking about that more and more lately. How can you create rules for when an objective is to kill another person and their objective is to kill you.

Have you ever read the Geneva Conventions, specifically the one from 1949?
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #111 on: September 10, 2010, 12:43:35 PM »


I don't think torture is a good idea because I question its effectiveness other than as a propaganda tool.    I think the enemy surrenders easier if they think they will be treated well.  Could be totally wrong.


Personally I think you are wrong.

These are individuals from a culture that thinks it's ok to strap bombs to the body of a CHILD or a PREGNANT WOMAN and explode them just to kill more people and to make some sort of idealogical point!!!!

Do you really and truly think they will tell the truth about their activities if they think they will be treated well?

If you do, you are not only totally naive, but incredibly delusional!

If our Special Forces, or CIA, or whomever it is that interrogates the terrorists...think that an individual as knowledge of intent to harm our countrymen - anywhere in the world, or here at home....I want them to do whatever it takes to get the information from a prisoner!!! And pray to God, they are telling the truth and not hiding the truth!
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #112 on: September 11, 2010, 11:50:22 AM »
I have to ask Jake this.

Jake, when you see some really kooky off the wall posts, posts such as 9/11 conspiracy theories etc, do you just feel like you want to smack them upside the head? I'm only asking this because as a conservative, years ago we had a very young conservative poster who would be a little off the wall at times and we would talk to him and tell him to stop stuff like that because it reflects badly on us, does it drive you crazy that people who post off the wall stuff get in the way of sane discussions?
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #113 on: September 13, 2010, 09:15:52 PM »
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Complementing someone I disagree with on a message board now means I'm manic-depressive? Or do you not know what lithium is used for?

Credibility? I have no idea why you would question that.

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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #114 on: September 14, 2010, 01:30:30 PM »
Complementing someone I disagree with on a message board now means I'm manic-depressive? Or do you not know what lithium is used for?

Credibility? I have no idea why you would question that.

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Obviously you could not.
Hence the content and tone of your retort.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #115 on: September 14, 2010, 02:11:58 PM »
Obviously you could not.
Hence the content and tone of your retort.

He was a guest host at PJ's? No kiddin'?

He left FR because "Conservatives" were not more like the AllenTown"Jerk"?

He wonders why the "Jerk" lasted as long as he did at the DUmp?????????? Was this before or after he was a guest host?

Color me amazed!

Another guy tellin' us what a conservative is, yet hasn't a clue!
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #116 on: September 14, 2010, 07:13:29 PM »
He was a guest host at PJ's? No kiddin'?

He left FR because "Conservatives" were not more like the AllenTown"Jerk"?

He wonders why the "Jerk" lasted as long as he did at the DUmp?????????? Was this before or after he was a guest host?

Color me amazed!

Another guy tellin' us what a conservative is, yet hasn't a clue!

Meh... Not worth my time. But do tell me when I told you what a conservative is. I said nothing of the sort. The conversation at FR has degenerated to the same level as DU during the Bush administration. I'd also like to know when Jake acted like a jerk on THIS board. He answered questions and was civil in doing so. I commented on that and that only.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #117 on: September 14, 2010, 07:42:46 PM »
Meh... Not worth my time. But do tell me when I told you what a conservative is. I said nothing of the sort. The conversation at FR has degenerated to the same level as DU during the Bush administration. I'd also like to know when Jake acted like a jerk on THIS board. He answered questions and was civil in doing so. I commented on that and that only.

Oh, please!

When you tell the "Jerk" he's more to your liking as a conservative, and if they at FR were more like him you'd still be there, that doesn't mean you expect that from us conservatives? Right? Sure as hell sounds that way to me!

If you had more than a dozen posts, you'd know we had an influx of so-called conservatives tellin' us what conservatism is. Sorry, but you're posts givin' the AllenTownJerk a pass, fall right in with them. Since you're the expert, why don't ya point out his "conservatism"? Not the posts where he says, "I've never really thought about it", or" I'll have to look it up", rather than answer a question? He sure as hell had an opinion over at the DUmp!!!!!!!!!!

Also, apparently you're familiar with "Jerks" posts at the DUmpster, so even though his posts were over the top over there, where he took occasion to call us out, he is forgiven because he changes what board he posts to! Got it!

Don't work that way here. You piss in our cornflakes, we're bound to call ya on it.

And you're right! MEH, it's not worth my time!

See ya! Mr, "I was a guest host"........ You sound more like the Jerk's sock puppet to me, since it appears the two of ya are never on at the same time and it looks like he took a powder.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #118 on: September 14, 2010, 07:46:54 PM »
Meh... Not worth my time. But do tell me when I told you what a conservative is. I said nothing of the sort. The conversation at FR has degenerated to the same level as DU during the Bush administration. I'd also like to know when Jake acted like a jerk on THIS board. He answered questions and was civil in doing so. I commented on that and that only.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #119 on: September 14, 2010, 08:21:10 PM »
What is it like to drill a 4" hole into your frontal lobes, insert a 4" Bobby Flay blender blade in and hit the "High Speed Burst" button?
DUmmy Troll et all...

ETA - There is a BIG difference between "acting like a jerk" and being disingenuous.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #120 on: September 15, 2010, 08:34:40 PM »
He answered questions and was civil in doing so.

He may have been "civil", but have you noticed that when the questions got a little more tough, he bailed?  Some of his "answers" were off the wall and some questions have never been answered.

I would suggest that you do a little more research on ATJ and his behavior towards members of this forum when he first started posting here; specifically when he was treated kindly and went back trash talking this site and it's members on the lib boards. 

Then come back and whine about the tone.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #121 on: September 16, 2010, 07:30:21 PM »
Oh, please!

When you tell the "Jerk" he's more to your liking as a conservative, and if they at FR were more like him you'd still be there, that doesn't mean you expect that from us conservatives? Right? Sure as hell sounds that way to me!

If you had more than a dozen posts, you'd know we had an influx of so-called conservatives tellin' us what conservatism is. Sorry, but you're posts givin' the AllenTownJerk a pass, fall right in with them. Since you're the expert, why don't ya point out his "conservatism"? Not the posts where he says, "I've never really thought about it", or" I'll have to look it up", rather than answer a question? He sure as hell had an opinion over at the DUmp!!!!!!!!!!

Also, apparently you're familiar with "Jerks" posts at the DUmpster, so even though his posts were over the top over there, where he took occasion to call us out, he is forgiven because he changes what board he posts to! Got it!

Don't work that way here. You piss in our cornflakes, we're bound to call ya on it.

And you're right! MEH, it's not worth my time!

See ya! Mr, "I was a guest host"........ You sound more like the Jerk's sock puppet to me, since it appears the two of ya are never on at the same time and it looks like he took a powder.

I'm sorry for how I came across in my few posts here.

I didn't dig into Jake's posting history, here or at the DUmp and what I said was juvenile. I hope there are no hard feelings.

Mr. "I was a guest host". Man, that is pretty funny. Jeeze, I'm such an asshole sometimes.
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #122 on: September 16, 2010, 08:40:14 PM »

I didn't dig into Jake's posting history, here or at the DUmp

So are we to assume that you now have researched his posting history?
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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #123 on: September 17, 2010, 06:55:28 AM »

I would suggest that you do a little more research on ATJ and his behavior towards members of this forum when he first started posting here; specifically when he was treated kindly and went back trash talking this site and it's members on the lib boards. 

Then come back and whine about the tone.


That seems to be ATJs MO.  Hell, he even comes here and trashes the members of Lib boards he belongs to; specifically the one called Old Elm Tree where he looks to still be a member with his own 'column'.   Poor thing can't seem to find a happy place.

Not one of the places I've seen him would allow a conservative to remain more than a few posts, yet they all crow about their tolerance.

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Re: Can we have an official Ask Jake thread?
« Reply #124 on: September 17, 2010, 10:53:04 AM »
I'm sorry for how I came across in my few posts here.

I didn't dig into Jake's posting history, here or at the DUmp and what I said was juvenile. I hope there are no hard feelings.

Mr. "I was a guest host". Man, that is pretty funny. Jeeze, I'm such an asshole sometimes.

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