Scott Brown stole the MA. election.

[thundley4]

HomerRamone   (355 posts)           Fri Sep-03-10 05:46 PM
Original message
Did Scott Brown really win in Massachusetts? (MUST-READ)
   
http://groups.google.com/group/newsfromunderground/brow...

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"Where votes were observably counted by hand, the Democrat Martha Coakley defeated the
Republican Scott Brown by a margin of 2.8%; where votes were counted unobservably and
secretly by machine, Brown defeated Coakley by a margin of 5.2%."


The study goes on to refute the various rationalizations that are always used to explain
such bald anomalies away. And it also notes, correctly, that the media all but universally
proclaimed Brown's "upset victory" a "sign" of the Tea-Baggers' electoral prowess--
even though there was no evidence that Brown had won, beyond the say-so of those
private companies.


So what we have here--and not just in Massachusetts--is a wholly faith-based voting
system, and a political establishment (both parties and the media) inclined to swallow anything,
as long as it advantages the right.


If you do care about this issue, and the integrity of our elections this November, please
send this report to everyone you know, and agitate for its discussion by the press. And
if you have a couple bucks to spare, or know someone who does, please do what you
can do to help fund EDA, without whose work there is no hope of salvaging, or realizing,
our democracy.

http://electiondefensealliance.org/files/BelieveIt_OrNo...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9070608

tritsofme (1000+ posts)             Fri Sep-03-10 05:55 PM
Response to Original message
2. This is always an easy one for me. In any race in the country, if the GOP wins, it was voter fraud.
   
Edited on Fri Sep-03-10 05:56 PM by tritsofme
If the Democratic candidate wins, well it was still voter fraud, but they just didn't steal enough votes. If every election in the country, including top down Democratic controlled Massachusetts, wasn't rigged at every turn, Democrats would at minimum get 80% of the vote in every single election. That's just how popular we are, nobody ever disagrees with me.

From a normal person, i'd believe that was sarcasm, from a DUmmie, who knows.

fascisthunter   (1000+ posts)             Fri Sep-03-10 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. One Aspect Here to Not Ignore is the Fact We Don't Really Know
   
we the people are not in control of our election process. That is a FACT!

Tesha   (1000+ posts)           Fri Sep-03-10 06:15 PM
Response to Original message
5. Oh bullshit!
   
Anyone, I mean *ANYONE* on the ground in Massachusetts
before the election knew Brown was going to win. You
could tell by *ANY* of the conventional measures such
as:

o Polls
o Bumper Sticker counts*
o Lawn Sign counts*
o Asking people on the street
o Listening in on conversations

Coakley tried to phone it in. Brown actually worked
for it. And he kicked her non-campaigning ass fair
and square.

Tesha


* The *ONLY* Coakley bumper sticker I *EVER* saw
was on a car in New Hampshire with New Hampshire
plates. And I don't remember *EVER* seeing a
Coakley lawn sign.

Party Pooper.  Let them have their stolen election fantasies.

JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts)             Sat Sep-04-10 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
36. Oh really?
   
I thought we measured election victories in votes. The passion on the Brown side may have been enough to convince you that the election was on the up and up, but we don't measure electoral victories in bumper stickers.

SoxFan   (1000+ posts)           Fri Sep-03-10 06:20 PM
Response to Original message
7. Get a grip
   
Coakley ran a terrible campaign. It was a top-heavy, unenergetic mess.

I have dozens of friends and family members in Massachusetts, and most of them voted for Brown. He ran a better campaign, plain and simple.

ThomWV   (1000+ posts)             Fri Sep-03-10 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. OK, he may have won fair and square, but that does not mean we don't have a voting problem

You are correct. There is a voting problem, too many uninformed people vote. 

SoxFan   (1000+ posts)           Fri Sep-03-10 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Thank you
   
A few years ago, some conspiracy types were pointing to the differential between certain New Hampshire towns as evidence of malfeasance. I tried to point out the demographic and socioeconomic reasons for the results, but they would have none of it.

tomp   (1000+ posts)           Sat Sep-04-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. is that historically the pattern?
   
hand counts go to dems, machine counts go to repubs?

No.  The hand count in Florida, done by the liberal newspapers went for Bush, not Gore. 

[Carl]

I am keeping my powder dry as they say regarding this years election but am hoping for a DUmmy meltdown of epic proportions.

[Ballygrl]

[BattleHymn]

I am keeping my powder dry as they say regarding this years election but am hoping for a DUmmy meltdown of epic proportions.

I can't wait.  I really can't wait.  I'll probably take Nov 2 off just to see it in all of it's glory. 

[formerlurker]

There are only 16 GOP members of the state legislature.  All of the state's offices are held by Democrats.  

How exactly were votes counted again unmonitored?     Are the saying that the democratic party is so incompetent that even with a super-super-super-majority they can't stop the GOP from rigging an election?  

Really?  






Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard you.......

[formerlurker]

Tesha   (1000+ posts)           Fri Sep-03-10 06:15 PM
Response to Original message
5. Oh bullshit!
   
Anyone, I mean *ANYONE* on the ground in Massachusetts
before the election knew Brown was going to win. You
could tell by *ANY* of the conventional measures such
as:

o Polls
o Bumper Sticker counts*
o Lawn Sign counts*
o Asking people on the street
o Listening in on conversations

Coakley tried to phone it in. Brown actually worked
for it. And he kicked her non-campaigning ass fair
and square.

Tesha


* The *ONLY* Coakley bumper sticker I *EVER* saw
was on a car in New Hampshire with New Hampshire
plates. And I don't remember *EVER* seeing a
Coakley lawn sign.

Tesha is 110% correct.  The energy for Scott Brown was one I have never seen before.    Election day was a miserable ice/snow storm, but they came to the polls in droves.  MA was sending a message.   They had enough.

Congress refused to listen.   They will though, cause I can see November from my house.

[TheSarge]

tritsofme (1000+ posts)             Fri Sep-03-10 05:55 PM
Response to Original message
2. This is always an easy one for me. In any race in the country, if the GOP wins, it was voter fraud.

That sums up the eletist "we are the enlightened ones who are supposed to lead you" attitude of 99.9% of the Liberals in the U.S. as well as anything I've seen lately.

It proves perfectly something Rush says on his show all the time about Liberals.

[BlueStateSaint]

I am keeping my powder dry as they say regarding this years election but am hoping for a DUmmy meltdown of epic proportions.

Neighbor, you want to see a meltdown over there?  

Wait 'till November 6th, 2012.  It's gonna be epic.  

[franksolich]

Neighbor, you want to see a meltdown over there?  

Wait 'till November 6th, 2012.  It's gonna be epic.  

That is, of course, assuming that Skins's island doesn't do an Atlantis before then, sinking without a trace.

[thundley4]

That is, of course, assuming that Skins's island doesn't do an Atlantis before then, sinking without a trace.

I could see that happening if Obama has a primary challenger and loses to that person.

[miskie]

Recursion speaks troof 2 moonbats...

Recursion (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-04-10 12:34 PM
Response to Original message
30. Do non-Massholes have *any* idea the horrid state of the Democratic party in MA right now?
   Edited on Sat Sep-04-10 12:36 PM by Recursion
We have the former speaker, the former state senate president, and another former state senator (all D's) about to go to jail for a long time for corruption (and the former speaker is going to court to keep getting his pension until his trial). We have the man who is literally FBI public enemy #1, Whitey Bulger, brother of a former state speaker, living pretty openly in the Boston area and the only response is for the local FBI field agent to warn video stores that he likes Irish movies and might try to rent them. We have a governor who has so alienated elements of the party (for good and bad reasons) that his treasurer is running as an independent against him for governor, and is polling at 16%. Meanwhile the Republican guy Baker, a health insurance executive, is within 5% of the governor and closing fast. His entire advertising campaign is "Had enough?". That's all he has to say, we all know what he's talking about, and even we Patrick supporters are muttering "yes, we have". Baker really isn't running against Patrick, he's running against the fact that the state Democratic party is an utter wreck, an absolute shambles, an embarrassment. Coakley's non-campaign was just another symptom (she went on a 3-week vacation to the Caribbean after getting the nomination, when unemployment in the state was hovering around 10%, then went on the radio and called Curt Schilling a Yankee's fan and said disparaging things about Fenway park, didn't buy any ads until the last week of the race, and during the debate literally talked about the Senate seat like it was some personal fiefdom of the Kennedy family).

Remember, guys, MA has historically been one of the most important states in the GOP's arsenal; "New England Republicans" haven't stopped existing, and the "west a' woostah" crowd has a lot of votes.

[formerlurker]

Oh my miskie, recursion nailed that one (although Cahill is not Patrick's treasurer -- that is an elected office, Cahill is an idiot).   

Scott Brown is making the rounds in MA propping up every GOP candidate.    I am very interested to see how this plays in November here.

[Chris_]

That sums up the eletist "we are the enlightened ones who are supposed to lead you" attitude of 99.9% of the Liberals in the U.S. as well as anything I've seen lately.

It proves perfectly something Rush says on his show all the time about Liberals.

It's easier than thinking.

[BlueStateSaint]

That is, of course, assuming that Skins's island doesn't do an Atlantis before then, sinking without a trace.

Coach, I don't think that will happen, because if the Republicans win, then the DUmors and DUmb****s and DUmmies have a common enemy again--like they did on January 20th, 2001.

[JohnnyReb]

I did my part to help him win...I mailed in my 1,000 votes.

BTW: Got any idea when Rove will be cutting checks for that...I'd like to get my stamp money back. I know I could have just shipped the bulk but I like to make the democrat poll workers work more....it's about the only time they work.

[BlueStateSaint]

I did my part to help him win...I mailed in my 1,000 votes.

BTW: Got any idea when Rove will be cutting checks for that...I'd like to get my stamp money back. I know I could have just shipped the bulk but I like to make the democrat poll workers work more....it's about the only time they work.

We have to wait until after the 2012 election cycle.  Message came down from VRWCHQ about six months ago. :innocent:

[true_blood]

The DUmmies are still talking about Scott Brown winning in MA?!?! WOW!!!!
 

[miskie]

The DUmmies are still talking about Scott Brown winning in MA?!?! WOW!!!!
 

Yes - though I think moreso than during the election itself. I think they are hoping short memories previal, and now they can rewrite the Brown victory as being 'stolen'

Oh my miskie, recursion nailed that one (although Cahill is not Patrick's treasurer -- that is an elected office, Cahill is an idiot).   

Scott Brown is making the rounds in MA propping up every GOP candidate.    I am very interested to see how this plays in November here.

That is true about Cahill (both things actually  ) but the poster is essentially right - Scott Brown won because the Democrats lost.. - especially Coakley - her gaffes, missteps, and arrogance cost her a 'sure thing'. And that arrogance has been part of the commonwealth's politics for too long. Between the Gerrymandering, voter denial, and political sidestepping to achieve what they wish with or without citizen support , the Democrat machine has grown tiresome.

[Godot showed up]

tomp   (1000+ posts)           Sat Sep-04-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. is that historically the pattern?
   
hand counts go to dems, machine counts go to repubs?

Oh, the price of ignorance.

In 2000, the full statewide machine recount mandated by law subtracted about 1300 votes from Bush's 1700+ vote lead, and if I remember correctly, something like FIVE HUNDRED Bush votes suddenly disappeared in completely Dem-controlled Broward Country. Subsequent statsitical analyses suggested that, if you believe such an enormous change in one county was just chance, you probably believe OJ was innocent.

[Randy]

I did my part to help him win...I mailed in my 1,000 votes.

BTW: Got any idea when Rove will be cutting checks for that...I'd like to get my stamp money back. I know I could have just shipped the bulk but I like to make the democrat poll workers work more....it's about the only time they work.

You haven't been reading your emails again. 

All you had to do was log into stamps.com and go to Sign In.
Use your VRWC employee ID number and your full name, First Middle Last as the password and all your postage is free.

This little perk was included in the HCR bill. DUmbasses didn't read it before they passed it so our funding got slipped in before they voted. 

[Ballygrl]

Recursion (1000+ posts)        
Sat Sep-04-10 12:34 PM
Response to Original message
30. Do non-Massholes have *any* idea the horrid state of the Democratic party in MA right now?
   Edited on Sat Sep-04-10 12:36 PM by Recursion
We have the former speaker, the former state senate president, and another former state senator (all D's) about to go to jail for a long time for corruption (and the former speaker is going to court to keep getting his pension until his trial). We have the man who is literally FBI public enemy #1, Whitey Bulger, brother of a former state speaker, living pretty openly in the Boston area and the only response is for the local FBI field agent to warn video stores that he likes Irish movies and might try to rent them. We have a governor who has so alienated elements of the party (for good and bad reasons) that his treasurer is running as an independent against him for governor, and is polling at 16%. Meanwhile the Republican guy Baker, a health insurance executive, is within 5% of the governor and closing fast. His entire advertising campaign is "Had enough?". That's all he has to say, we all know what he's talking about, and even we Patrick supporters are muttering "yes, we have". Baker really isn't running against Patrick, he's running against the fact that the state Democratic party is an utter wreck, an absolute shambles, an embarrassment. Coakley's non-campaign was just another symptom (she went on a 3-week vacation to the Caribbean after getting the nomination, when unemployment in the state was hovering around 10%, then went on the radio and called Curt Schilling a Yankee's fan and said disparaging things about Fenway park, didn't buy any ads until the last week of the race, and during the debate literally talked about the Senate seat like it was some personal fiefdom of the Kennedy family).

Remember, guys, MA has historically been one of the most important states in the GOP's arsenal; "New England Republicans" haven't stopped existing, and the "west a' woostah" crowd has a lot of votes.

Finally some sanity!

[Ballygrl]

More sanity, who knew?

adoraz  (1000+ posts)
Sat Sep-04-10 12:35 PM
Response to Original message
31. Wasn't Brown leading all the polls in the days before the election?
   
How do you explain that? Obviously those weren't faked.

It seems EVERY election a Republican wins was stolen. Stop being paranoid guys.

BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) 
Sat Sep-04-10 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
45. Of course. But that is a fact that doesn't conform to the OP's conspiracy theory bullshit
   
Edited on Sat Sep-04-10 05:17 PM by BzaDem
so the OP dismisses it out of hand. All the polling companies (including those run by Democrats and Coakley's own internal poll) are really just right wing Diebold subsidiaries, don'tcha know?

[Ptarmigan]

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

I, for one, will not believe that it was actually voter fraud until I see the monte-carlo simulations and spreadsheets from Truth-Is-All.

[Karin]

Coakley had no yard signs?  Hmm.  Around here, there have been absolutely zero signs for Bill Owens-D.  The signs are purely between Hoffman and whatshisname, Doheney.  I wonder if Owens is thinking "what's the use?  Why spend the money?