Ground Zero Mosque Blog

[Ptarmigan]

The author of the blog is Mike Ghouse, who is a member of an interfaith group. Sounds like a moonbat to me.

PURPOSE
This issue is engaging the American Public, both for and against, in this blog I will save the links of articles that come across my knowledge as a reference for the researchers. We have to find solutions for co-existence and sustainable harmony.

OPPOSING: Right wingers from Republicans, Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Left winger liberal Muslims are in it together.

FAVORING: Moderate Americans, Religious leaders from Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and others.

DAY LIGHT: It is clear as daylight, that it is a political opportunity for the losing right wing republicans. I pray they do not twist patriotism to gain leverage, that would be a shameful act.


GROUND ZERO A MISNOMER

It is not a mosque and it is not on Ground Zero. It is a Community Center, an interfaith chapel, a memorial for the 9/11, a pool for the community, an auditorium to hold conferences, a place to teach pluralism and co-existence and also place for Muslim prayers - above all it is open to the public.

It is a shrine and it is a catalyst to create a society we desire to live in with respect for every one of the 301 Million Americans.

The ones who are opposed to the Center will change their hearts and minds if they know the facts;

1) it is not on ground zero
2) it is not a mosque
3) fox funded by same man
4) it is a political ploy
5) it's a memorial to 9/11
6) it is an interfaith chapel
7) Co-existence will be taught
8) It is open to every one to
9) It is not a seceretive place

OPPORTUNISTS

If you surfed the net, you might reasonably conclude that the ones opposing are the right wing Republicans like Palin, Gingrich, Paladino, Corker, Tancredo, Rowe, McCain and others.

They continue to fall in the abyss of ignorance and are out of touch with the American public. The pied piper Limbaugh had led them once and his cooked up support will blind them again.

These are the shameless opportunitst, the kind who lied about WMD and massacred people in Iraq and Afghanistan in our name while the Criminal Bin Laden is still at large. They are lying again, one after the other. Pure bullshit is coming out of the mouths of Gingrich and their likes.

They got the Americans riled up and I sincerely hope, we the Americans not fall for their fabrications and lies and take the time to study.

We have to consciously create institutions and systems that would become a catalyst to a positive change and bring about cohesive functioning of the society. It is our duty to keep law and order and faithfully guard the safety of every citizen.

As Americans we cannot do to fellow Americans what we did with the Native Americans; annihilate them in millions.

http://groundzeromosque.blogspot.com/

[Godot showed up]

GROUND ZERO A MISNOMER

It is not a mosque and it is not on Ground Zero. It is a Community Center, an interfaith chapel, a memorial for the 9/11, a pool for the community, an auditorium to hold conferences, a place to teach pluralism and co-existence and also place for Muslim prayers - above all it is open to the public.

I am getting so sick of this complete and utter LIE. First of all, 600 feet from GZ IS at GZ. You don't have to be 2 inches from GZ to be at GZ. If built, it will be huge and will overlook GZ. The hairsplitting nonsense that it isn't EXACTLY where the planes hit is just that, hairsplitting nonsense. And, on top of that, it IS being built (if it is built) where some of one plane hit, which means that, yes, it IS being built EXACTLY on GZ. GZ extends at the least to wherever large parts of the planes hit. I've been there many times, I used to work in the immediate area and I know it well, and this is right frickin' on top of GZ.

Second of all, it most certainly IS a mosque, in fact Moslems are praying there right now, as we know, and by the way where's the certificate of occupancy and various other fire and safety permits? Oh, I guess they get a pass, but God forbid anyone rents a clean and up-to-code basement apartment without a 2-family house CofO.  If it isn't a mosque, let them NOT build a mosque or pray area inside it. But the fact that RIGHT NOW Moslems are praying their--most likely thanking Allah for the 9/11 attack, and I am not kidding at all--ought to be a pretty good indicator to the non-brainless as to what this thing will be. The rest is window dressing for the mosque, except insofar as it will be a luxury hotel for every America-hating Moslem to come from, from far and wide, to gather and thank Allah for, and celebrate the deaths of, the American infidels.

I'll bet $1000 to any taker that, if this thing is built, two things will happen, eventually: 1) some clerics/imams, either here, in other countries, or both, will declare that going to THIS mosque is a holy pilgrimage, and 2) the next time that shoe-shit Prexy Aaaa-choo from Iran comes to NY, not only will Columbia invite him to speak, but he WILL come to THIS mosque to "pray."

[gurn]

These people trying to build the mosque are dips*its.

The developer has lied in depositions. He hasn't paid the taxes due on the building yet.
Unless he gets a bail-out from Imam Barack, the Saudis or Iran, this thing ain't gonna get done.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1307774/Ground-Zero-mosque-developer-Sharif-El-Gamals-criminal-past-revealed.html

If it does get done -- I hope they face round-the-clock protests - thousands in the streets.
Nobody talks about the First Amendment rights of the protesters. All we hear about are the
First Amendment rights of this developer.

Yeah. He's got First Amendment Rights. So do the 2/3 of New Yorkers who oppose this idiotic scheme.

[Todzilla]

It seems to me that NOT building the community center (including a mosque, it's true) would reinforce Al Qaeda's contention that America's commitment to freedoms is a sham.  If you read ObL (which I do to better understand the motivations of an evil man), you'll note one of his goals is to show to the world that America only pays lip service to freedoms, such as freedom of worship.

Looks to me like the rancor laden discussion is proving him correct.  One great way to demonstrate America is fully committed to freedom is to live by the Constitution. To say, yeah it's Constitutionally legal, but we'll do everything in our power to prevent it is disingenuous.

Some of you may not care a whit how other nations perceive us, but our global reputation is critical in advancing our foreign policy interests, even conservative interests.

[PatriotGame]

It seems to me that NOT building the community center (including a mosque, it's true) would reinforce Al Qaeda's contention that America's commitment to freedoms is a sham.  If you read ObL (which I do to better understand the motivations of an evil man), you'll note one of his goals is to show to the world that America only pays lip service to freedoms, such as freedom of worship.

Looks to me like the rancor laden discussion is proving him correct.  One great way to demonstrate America is fully committed to freedom is to live by the Constitution. To say, yeah it's Constitutionally legal, but we'll do everything in our power to prevent it is disingenuous.

Some of you may not care a whit how other nations perceive us, but our global reputation is critical in advancing our foreign policy interests, even conservative interests.

BULLSHIT!

There is also a lot more to be INTERPRETED on the world stage as to our resolve against our enemies.
Make ZERO doubt about it nimrod. islam *IS* the enemy of the United States...as are you.

[JohnnyReb]

It seems to me that NOT building the community center (including a mosque, it's true) would reinforce Al Qaeda's contention that America's commitment to freedoms is a sham.  If you read ObL (which I do to better understand the motivations of an evil man), you'll note one of his goals is to show to the world that America only pays lip service to freedoms, such as freedom of worship.

Looks to me like the rancor laden discussion is proving him correct.  One great way to demonstrate America is fully committed to freedom is to live by the Constitution. To say, yeah it's Constitutionally legal, but we'll do everything in our power to prevent it is disingenuous.

Some of you may not care a whit how other nations perceive us, but our global reputation is critical in advancing our foreign policy interests, even conservative interests.

The Muslims have stated more than once that they will use our laws against us to further the cause of Islam.

They are not here to be treated equal, they're here to impose Islam and you will submit.

In my opinion, Islam is a political org. that is bent on the violent overthrow of the US government....in other words, Islam is a treasonous political entity and "IT" and all it's members should be treated as such.

[Todzilla]

BULLSHIT!

There is also a lot more to be INTERPRETED on the world stage as to our resolve against our enemies.
Make ZERO doubt about it nimrod. islam *IS* the enemy of the United States...as are you.

So, if the builders insist on building the community center and it doesn't violate any NYC zoning laws or building codes, are you advocating suspension of the Constitution?

[Revolution]

I'll bet $1000 to any taker that, if this thing is built, two things will happen, eventually: 1) some clerics/imams, either here, in other countries, or both, will declare that going to THIS mosque is a holy pilgrimage, and 2) the next time that shoe-shit Prexy Aaaa-choo from Iran comes to NY, not only will Columbia invite him to speak, but he WILL come to THIS mosque to "pray."

3) Within a few years of it being built, (if it is indeed built) another large scale attack will come. All one must do is look at the history of Mosques being attack centers.

Horrible idea all around, but what I'm MOST pissed about is that I was there, I saw Ground Zero with my own eyes, and I can't do anything to stop this from happening!!!

 

[Todzilla]

The Muslims have stated more than once that they will use our laws against us to further the cause of Islam.

They are not here to be treated equal, they're here to impose Islam and you will submit.

In my opinion, Islam is a political org. that is bent on the violent overthrow of the US government....in other words, Islam is a treasonous political entity and "IT" and all it's members should be treated as such.

I appreciate you added the boldface, above.  I challenge this opinion and question the basis upon which you hold it.  Certainly, there is evidence of most religions attempting to evangelize their message to attract more followers.  But how is it that the entire faith can be described as a political organization?  Sounds like that's just a convenient means to justify ill-informed fears.

[gurn]

It seems to me that NOT building the community center (including a mosque, it's true) would reinforce Al Qaeda's contention that America's commitment to freedoms is a sham.  If you read ObL (which I do to better understand the motivations of an evil man), you'll note one of his goals is to show to the world that America only pays lip service to freedoms, such as freedom of worship.

Looks to me like the rancor laden discussion is proving him correct.  One great way to demonstrate America is fully committed to freedom is to live by the Constitution. To say, yeah it's Constitutionally legal, but we'll do everything in our power to prevent it is disingenuous.

Some of you may not care a whit how other nations perceive us, but our global reputation is critical in advancing our foreign policy interests, even conservative interests.

Tough. The First Amendment was around long before Bin Laden. The developers have a right to build the damned thing.
Let 'em build it. And then let the protests begin. I hope they are loud and long. F*ck Bin Laden.

Also - it's astonishingly naive to think Al Qaeda will change its opinion of America simply because Manhattan Borough
allowed these idiots to build a mosque.

Mosque or not -- Al Qaeda will still be at war with America. So screw them. They should have no influence on this controversy at all.

Personally, I don't think these bozos can get it done. The developer has had assault warrants out on him. He's lied in depositions.
Imam Rauf has lied on his taxes.

These people are idiots. It's no wonder they came up with such a stupid idea.

[JohnnyReb]

I appreciate you added the boldface, above.  I challenge this opinion and question the basis upon which you hold it.  Certainly, there is evidence of most religions attempting to evangelize their message to attract more followers.  But how is it that the entire faith can be described as a political organization?  Sounds like that's just a convenient means to justify ill-informed fears.

The Koran, Islamic history and current news. Try reading some then get back with me.

[Godot showed up]

It seems to me that NOT building the community center (including a mosque, it's true) would reinforce Al Qaeda's contention that America's commitment to freedoms is a sham. 

And we care about Al Qaeda's opinions/contentions why?

[AllosaursRus]

I appreciate you added the boldface, above.  I challenge this opinion and question the basis upon which you hold it.  Certainly, there is evidence of most religions attempting to evangelize their message to attract more followers.  But how is it that the entire faith can be described as a political organization?  Sounds like that's just a convenient means to justify ill-informed fears.

Pouind sand you un-American POS! We agree they have the right! Just stop ****in' tryin' to bring the Constitution into it! Not a single person I know disagrees on whether they have the right! It's whether or not we want a trophy to those that killed 3,000 of our citizens within spittin' distance of their deaths!

The whole idea, according to this Imam, is to bridge the gap between our cultures. Bull ****in' Shit!!! If that were the case he and his henchmen would move the mosque to another more appropriate site! Businesses are denied permits all the time because the business is not appropriate for the surroundings, so that dog won't hunt!

Maybe we should put Bin laden on Rushmore! Makes about as much sense!

[Todzilla]

Tough. The First Amendment was around long before Bin Laden. The developers have a right to build the damned thing.
Let 'em build it. And then let the protests begin. I hope they are loud and long. F*ck Bin Laden.

I agree with your sentiment toward Bin Laden, believe it or not.  I do think it's a bit much to say "we honor your First Ammendment Rights, but we'll essentially undercut them by making it impossible for you to worship freely."  Yes, protests are protected as well under First Ammendment, but if you're intent on advocating constraints on freedom of religion, just admit it.

Also - it's astonishingly naive to think Al Qaeda will change its opinion of America simply because Manhattan Borough
allowed these idiots to build a mosque.

Of course they won't.  I don't care about Al Qaeda's opinion of us at all. You'd be surprised to hear that I would have no problem if those pieces of shit fell off the face of the earth.  But I do worry when we validate their recruiting message - that our tolerance of diversity and other religions is a sham.  It's the moderate Islamic world that I care about.

Mosque or not -- Al Qaeda will still be at war with America. So screw them. They should have no influence on this controversy at all.

I basically agree, except that I hate to see us validate their narrative about us while the rest of the world is watching.  That makes an otherwise hideous ideology more believeable.

Personally, I don't think these bozos can get it done. The developer has had assault warrants out on him. He's lied in depositions.
Imam Rauf has lied on his taxes.

Okay. Doesn't  change the Constitutionality of it.

These people are idiots. It's no wonder they came up with such a stupid idea.

Mmm, okay?

[Todzilla]

The Koran, Islamic history and current news. Try reading some then get back with me.

I defer to your intimate knowledge of the Koran calling for the death of America.

Dude, the old Testament and history has fodder for similar opinions of Western empire building.  What's your point? That Islam is unique in its call for its message to be spread?  Yeah, It's more overt in its advocacy of coercion in this regard, but really which religion is leading the others for coercive and violent supremacy?

[Todzilla]

Pouind sand you un-American POS! We agree they have the right! Just stop ****in' tryin' to bring the Constitution into it! Not a single person I know disagrees on whether they have the right! It's whether or not we want a trophy to those that killed 3,000 of our citizens within spittin' distance of their deaths!

The whole idea, according to this Imam, is to bridge the gap between our cultures. Bull ****in' Shit!!! If that were the case he and his henchmen would move the mosque to another more appropriate site! Businesses are denied permits all the time because the business is not appropriate for the surroundings, so that dog won't hunt!

Maybe we should put Bin laden on Rushmore! Makes about as much sense!

So, what's your solution? Pay lip service to their Constitutional right to build, but use tactics of threats and intimidation to deny them the effective practice of those rights?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

It seems to me that NOT building the community center (including a mosque, it's true) would reinforce Al Qaeda's contention that America's commitment to freedoms is a sham.  If you read ObL (which I do to better understand the motivations of an evil man), you'll note one of his goals is to show to the world that America only pays lip service to freedoms, such as freedom of worship.

And a person who slaughters 3,000 innocents pays service to freedom and tolerance?

Looks to me like the rancor laden discussion is proving him correct.  One great way to demonstrate America is fully committed to freedom is to live by the Constitution. To say, yeah it's Constitutionally legal, but we'll do everything in our power to prevent it is disingenuous.

But it's not a mosque, it's a community center. Remember?

So how does religious freedom translate to community center, Two-face?

BTW - there are more mosques in the US than UBL's baby-bombing, Jew-killing, clit-cutting, wife-beating, camel-humping ass would ever allow on Saudi soil.

Some of you may not care a whit how other nations perceive us, but our global reputation is critical in advancing our foreign policy interests, even conservative interests.

I can't object to $1 trillion in political bribery being doled out at my expense without being denounced as a racist.

**** you and your perceptions. I long ago quit caring about perceptions when ad hominems became the left's reflex response to all opposition.

And why do I care what Hamas, the mullahs or Hugo Chavez think? Those idiots can't be reasoned with.

[Godot showed up]

So, what's your solution? Pay lip service to their Constitutional right to build, but use tactics of threats and intimidation to deny them the effective practice of those rights?

I don’t agree that they have this right, in fact, and won’t bother with lip service to what I know, in fact, to be false; I don’t claim to speak for any other conservative but myself, but I count myself right, and I can only hope that eventually people will wake up to the legal truth that stands behind the truth they know in their guts. This is nothing but a continuation of jihad and that is war. We are not under a Constitutional onus to allow foreign, domestic, or any coalition of foreign and domestic enemies to make war on us—note that the Constitution discusses in great detail the protection of the United States from military enemies of the United States--and this mosque is an act of war by being both a morale-creator for the enemy, and by being a forward base for the enemy. Kid yourself about Islam all you like, but it is as virulent a political doctrine as Naziism and far older. This mosque is war by other means than purely military means. Allowing its construction makes as much sense and is as constitutionally required as allowing Joseph Goebbels to have built an information ministry in NYC would have been in 1942. If you weren’t so wedded to your holier-than-thou ideology you’d see what is plain as day; their intent is plain in building this, and they’re using our constitutional protections against us. You do know that the jihadists have written and proclaimed at length about using Western legal protections, and especially US Constitutional protections, as armor to conduct their war of subversion and Islamicization against us, right?

[Godot showed up]

Pouind sand you un-American POS! We agree they have the right! Just stop ****in' tryin' to bring the Constitution into it! Not a single person I know disagrees on whether they have the right!

Well Al my friend, now you can say you know someone. All I ask is that you give my point of view some consideration--I know better than to expect anything but knee-jerk denial from Todzilla. Like any lib, he'll reject my words without a moment's consideration and then proceed from the immediate position that of course I'm wrong, and then back and fill from there, if he makes a counterargument. I don't expect anything better from libs; why would any of us, having experienced for years their mental intransigence and imperviousness to any kind of reason? I know I'll get a fair hearing from fellow conservatives, though, even if they may disagree with me in the end.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

So, what's your solution? Pay lip service to their Constitutional right to build, but use tactics of threats and intimidation to deny them the effective practice of those rights?

According to leftist liars it's not a mosque, it's a community center so how can you claim there is a religious freedom issue?

When did liars like you ever acknowledge the religious freedoms of Jews and Christians?

[WildRose]

The author of the blog is Mike Ghouse, who is a member of an interfaith group. Sounds like a moonbat to me.

http://groundzeromosque.blogspot.com/

The author is a fool, and an enabler.

Building a mosque on this location, a building where the landing gear of one of the planes that took down the WTC"s, will absolutely be seen around the world by Muslims as a symbol of victory of Islam over the Infidel US.

Actual "moderate Muslims", in the US recognize this FACT which is why they too oppose the building of this Mosque.

[WildRose]

Quote from: Todzilla on Today at 03:22:37 pm
So, what's your solution? Pay lip service to their Constitutional right to build, but use tactics of threats and intimidation to deny them the effective practice of those rights?

As long as the federal government does not interfere and prevent this Mosque from being built, there is no first amendment issue.

There is no first amendment right to build a house of worship, of any faith, anywhere you want.

Having a lawful/constitutional right to do something does not make it "right" or smart.  If these Muslims want tolerance and understanding the first thing they should do is demonstrate some of both by selecting a different place to build their Mosque.

[JohnnyReb]

As long as the federal government does not interfere and prevent this Mosque from being built, there is no first amendment issue.

There is no first amendment right to build a house of worship, of any faith, anywhere you want.

Having a lawful/constitutional right to do something does not make it "right" or smart.  If these Muslims want tolerance and understanding the first thing they should do is demonstrate some of both by selecting a different place to build their Mosque.

Mohammad and his flying unicorn flew over Jerusalem, dropped a few turds and the Moose-limbs built a Mosque on the Jews and Christians most holy site. They conquered Can't-stand-A-noble, changed the name to Instant-Bull and then converted a great cathedral to a Mosque. They're like dogs, they mark their territory.

Mod to add.....This mosque is the equilavent of a dog pissing on a fire hydrant....the moose-limbs are marking their territory....they're pissing on New York and America.

[Godot showed up]

Mohammad and his flying unicorn flew over Jerusalem, dropped a few turds and the Moose-limbs built a Mosque on the Jews and Christians most holy site. They conquered Can't-stand-A-noble, changed the name to Instant-Bull and then converted a great cathedral to a Mosque. They're like dogs, they mark their territory.

Oooooohh, I'm gonna tell CAIR on you!

Btw, did you see that Fox and Friends segment which I'm pretty sure had the banner, "Dogs and Bacon," and they were making bacon treats for humans and dogs? I was thinking---" did anyone realize beforehand what they were doing?" I just couldn't help wondering; I mean, yes, dogs love bacon, but a news segment dedicated to both and also containing closeups of real BLT sandwiches?  I laughed like hell when I saw that.

Here's the link, but it's not playing for me, so I think the video must be down:


http://video.foxnews.com/v/4323903/beggin-bacon-bash

[Ballygrl]

As long as the federal government does not interfere and prevent this Mosque from being built, there is no first amendment issue.

There is no first amendment right to build a house of worship, of any faith, anywhere you want.

Having a lawful/constitutional right to do something does not make it "right" or smart.  If these Muslims want tolerance and understanding the first thing they should do is demonstrate some of both by selecting a different place to build their Mosque.

OMG! it is the same Wild Rose I know. Everyone, WR is a really cool guy.