Author Topic: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods  (Read 3924 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Chris_

  • Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 46845
  • Reputation: +2028/-266
Control freaks at Apple?  We report, you decide.........

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20014356-37.html?tag=rtcol;pop

Quote
Apple is apparently ramping up its battle to prevent iPhone and iPod owners from jailbreaking their devices.

The company has applied for a patent, titled "Systems and Methods for Identifying Unauthorized Users of an Electronic Device," that covers a series of security measures to automatically protect devices from thieves and other "unauthorized users." Unauthorized users apparently applies to those who engage in jailbreaking, which allows devices to run apps not approved by the company producing the operating system--such as Apple, the main target of such bypasses.

The application, which was filed in February 2009 and published Thursday, describes measures to identify "particular activities that may indicate suspicious behavior," so that "safety measures" can be taken to restrict the device's functions. Those activities include the "hacking, jailbreaking, unlocking, or removal of a SIM card," according to the application. Apple also intends to send warnings to owners via e-mail or text message when such activity is detected.

The application also describes a variety of measures that could be used to help identify the unauthorized user, including the activation of a camera that could capture and geotag the device's surroundings, and perhaps current user, and transmit that information to a remote device:

<exerpted>

Rest at link.....

doc
If you want to worship an orange pile of garbage with a reckless disregard for everything, get on down to Arbys & try our loaded curly fries.

Offline NHSparky

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24431
  • Reputation: +1280/-617
  • Where are you going? I was gonna make espresso!
This on top of the fact that you cannot buy an iPhone or iPad with cash.

Interesting, ain't it?
“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.”  -Henry Ford

Offline JohnnyReb

  • In Memoriam
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32063
  • Reputation: +1998/-134
This on top of the fact that

Interesting, ain't it?

Really? Why is that?
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."  Stalin

Offline DumbAss Tanker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28493
  • Reputation: +1710/-151
After my Amiga experience in the 90s - utterly brilliant tech work by hardware and software engineers, but a company that was in the hands of idiots who didn't know it from a toaster oven and in fact would just as soon have been producing toaster ovens - I swore I would never, ever buy into a proprietary platform again.  It'll be a cold day in Hell before I buy an Apple product, well, unless Jobs comes out with an iOrgasmatron and has the patents totally locked up so that it's the only possible choice.
Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice.

Offline DefiantSix

  • Captain, IKS Defiant
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18689
  • Reputation: +2001/-189
  • "Set Condition One throughout the ship."
...unless Jobs comes out with an iOrgasmatron and has the patents totally locked up so that it's the only possible choice.

I'd still prefer the "old fashioned" Orgasmatron method.  Jobs couldn't beat the "Hot Trophy Wife 9000" with an iStick, and I don't have to let the son-of-a-bitch download software updates every couple of weeks.
"Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here."
-- Capt. John Parker

"I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission"
-- Capt. Steve Rogers

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem."
-- Ronaldus Magnus

Offline DumbAss Tanker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28493
  • Reputation: +1710/-151
 :lmao:

No doubt, but I'm sure the Apple hype machine will claim otherwise!  He could make iTurds and the acolytes would line up to buy them. "Look, it cannot be polished!  Great is the Apple!  Great is the Jobs!"
Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice.

Offline formerlurker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9692
  • Reputation: +802/-833
This on top of the fact that you cannot buy an iPhone or iPad with cash.

Interesting, ain't it?

Why is that? 

I LOVE the iPad (and my husband and I have iPhones which we both like).    iPad is the future of autism for technology.  It has made dynavox and other similar devices obsolete.

Offline AllosaursRus

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11672
  • Reputation: +424/-293
  • Skip Tracing by Contract Only!
:lmao:

No doubt, but I'm sure the Apple hype machine will claim otherwise!  He could make iTurds and the acolytes would line up to buy them. "Look, it cannot be polished!  Great is the Apple!  Great is the Jobs!"

At least Gates realized if he promoted software geeks to design around his OS, he'd sell more! Jobs is still of the idea that he can control every part of his devices. Piss poor business forecasting!

The guy comes out with a truly tech revolutionary device and still hasn't figured out, the more apps it will run no matter who builds them, the more he will sell! I'll lay odds he's a member of the DUmp! Ignorance abounds!
I'm the guy your mother warned you about!
 

Offline Thor

  • General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!
  • In Memoriam
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13103
  • Reputation: +363/-297
  • Native Texan & US Navy (ret)
I never have cared for Apple Products. I used some when I was running the institutional network in St Paul. They were OK, but the graphics were cheesy. Then I experienced Apple Quicktime. It wanted to take control of one's computer and had limited functions, unlike Windows Media Player. My next experience was with the iPod (for the daughter). All of the mp3s had to get converted or some crap to some stupid iTunes format. While Apple has some neat gimmicks out there now, there are just as many non-apple products that will do the same or better. Can the iPhone users say, "Droid"??
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."- IBID

I AM your General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."-Thomas Jefferson

Offline NHSparky

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24431
  • Reputation: +1280/-617
  • Where are you going? I was gonna make espresso!
Really? Why is that?

I wish I knew.  But seriously--go into an Apple store and try to pay for one with cash, and see what happens....

Ah, well...looks like they reversed the policy.  But they never really explained why...

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/18/apple-no-cash-policy-for-ipad-takes-some-by-surprise/
“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.”  -Henry Ford

Offline thundley4

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 40571
  • Reputation: +2224/-127
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2010, 08:42:35 AM »
I won't touch anything by Apple, their evilness ranks right up there with Google, IMO. I had iTunes on one computer and it wanted to take control of all media files. That was several years ago, but I haven't used Apple products since then. They're to proprietary for everything. 

Offline Splashdown

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6729
  • Reputation: +475/-100
  • Out of 9 lives, I spent 7
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 08:52:49 AM »
I won't touch anything by Apple, their evilness ranks right up there with Google, IMO. I had iTunes on one computer and it wanted to take control of all media files. That was several years ago, but I haven't used Apple products since then. They're to proprietary for everything. 

I love my iPhone--It's my library(kindle app), laptop (word processing app that works with Word), music manager (1 k songs plus Sirius app), email device, GPS, and once in a while, it's even a phone! . Once you say no to the radical takeover of all your media files, iTunes never bothers you about it again.
Let nothing trouble you,
Let nothing frighten you. 
All things are passing;
God never changes.
Patience attains all that it strives for.
He who has God lacks nothing:
God alone suffices.
--St. Theresa of Avila



"No crushed ice; no peas." -- Undies

Offline The Hollywood NeoCon

  • Visionary, Sage, Drunkard, Screenwriter
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1363
  • Reputation: +317/-290
  • "For God & Country: Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo"
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 09:15:31 AM »
I love my iPhone--It's my library(kindle app), laptop (word processing app that works with Word), music manager (1 k songs plus Sirius app), email device, GPS, and once in a while, it's even a phone! . Once you say no to the radical takeover of all your media files, iTunes never bothers you about it again.

I'm with you, Splash.

Before anyone starts in with the whole “Steve Jobs is a raving douchebag” business, let me say this:

I’m an objectivist and a capitalist, and even though Apple is a publicly-held company, I maintain that Jobs has the right to do with his business as he sees fit, just as I’d demand that right for myself. If I wanted to fire a worker who didn’t cut it, hire my brother and promote him to a position of great responsibility (even though he’s a complete moron), or give all my money to a Saint Bernard rescue organization, I’d expect to be able to do so, right?

Ok, so let’s leave Steve and his politics out of this for the time being.

As an example of why I adore my Apple products, an early review of the iPad said this:

Quote
Jobs is a relentless perfectionist whose company creates such beautifully designed products that they have changed our expectations about how everything around us should work. He has an uncanny ability to cook up gadgets that we didn’t know we needed, but then suddenly can’t live without.

Damn straight. Up until 2008, I was a PC guy. Loved it. Well, sorta. Hated the constant security updates, the infamous “blue screen of death,” the annoying-as-all-hell “program has stopped responding,” only to click “end now” and NOT have it end. Regardless, I thought Macs were for people who thought themselves better than everyone else.

That is, until I bought my first iPod.

Two years later, my woman and I find ourselves in possession of 2 iPods (one classic, one touch), 2 MacBook Pros, 2 iPhones, 2 iPads, an Apple TV, and an almost imbecilic love of that little chord that plays whenever we power up our laptops.

So again, I’m here to confess that despite the fact that Jobs acts like a liberal sycophant, my girl and I are loyal Mac fanboys, and would probably be standing outside the Apple Store if Jobs could figure a way to make the iPad able to make and receive phone calls.

The liberals thought they OWNED the blogosphere. Clearly, we’ve proven them wrong. They no doubt currently think they own Apple. Well, my Goldwater Girl and I may have something to say about that, as well.

Excellence and elegance should be non-partisan.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2010, 09:17:45 AM by HollywoodNeoCon »

Offline Thor

  • General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!
  • In Memoriam
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13103
  • Reputation: +363/-297
  • Native Texan & US Navy (ret)
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 10:30:26 AM »
Perfectionist?? Apparently you don't do any work on the insides of computers. Macs are the exact same as PCs. I guess you haven't experienced Windows 7, either. Microsoft has come a LONG way and even I'll admit that Gates stole the Apple OS and attempted to make it his own by releasing "Windows". Then, we could address the issues of the iPhone 4.......... that even Jobs refuses to correct at his own expense.

As far as iPods, I've found that there are several iPod-like devices out there that are better and doesn't require special software to transfer music, like the Creative Zen.... Hell, even my cell phone, which is also an mp3 player works just fine with Windows 7 only. No outside apps required.

Only 1K songs?? ...........  :loser:   :tongue: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."- IBID

I AM your General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."-Thomas Jefferson

Offline The Hollywood NeoCon

  • Visionary, Sage, Drunkard, Screenwriter
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1363
  • Reputation: +317/-290
  • "For God & Country: Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo"
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 10:36:36 AM »
Perfectionist?? Apparently you don't do any work on the insides of computers. Macs are the exact same as PCs. I guess you haven't experienced Windows 7, either. Microsoft has come a LONG way and even I'll admit that Gates stole the Apple OS and attempted to make it his own by releasing "Windows". Then, we could address the issues of the iPhone 4.......... that even Jobs refuses to correct at his own expense.

As far as iPods, I've found that there are several iPod-like devices out there that are better and doesn't require special software to transfer music, like the Creative Zen.... Hell, even my cell phone, which is also an mp3 player works just fine with Windows 7 only. No outside apps required.

Only 1K songs?? ...........  :loser:   :tongue: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
:bird:  :-)  :cheersmate:

PS - I also should mention in the name of fairness that I installed VMFusion on my MacBook just so I could run Windows 7 on it.  :-)

Offline Chris_

  • Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 46845
  • Reputation: +2028/-266
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2010, 10:58:12 AM »
PS - I also should mention in the name of fairness that I installed VMFusion on my MacBook just so I could run Windows 7 on it.  :-)

Can I use that to run Panther on my Windows box?  :p
If you want to worship an orange pile of garbage with a reckless disregard for everything, get on down to Arbys & try our loaded curly fries.

Offline The Hollywood NeoCon

  • Visionary, Sage, Drunkard, Screenwriter
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1363
  • Reputation: +317/-290
  • "For God & Country: Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo"
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2010, 11:00:15 AM »
Can I use that to run Panther on my Windows box?  :p

I'm not sure. The license was provided by my company, so I never bothered to see if it was a two-way street, so to speak.

That is, unless you were being a total smart-ass and no interest in running a Mac OSX on your PC. :P

Offline Chris_

  • Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 46845
  • Reputation: +2028/-266
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2010, 11:04:11 AM »
I got a used copy of 10.3 from a co-worker that had no use for it.  I haven't tried to install it yet.
If you want to worship an orange pile of garbage with a reckless disregard for everything, get on down to Arbys & try our loaded curly fries.

Offline DumbAss Tanker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28493
  • Reputation: +1710/-151
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2010, 11:42:37 AM »
Quote
I’m an objectivist and a capitalist, and even though Apple is a publicly-held company, I maintain that Jobs has the right to do with his business as he sees fit, just as I’d demand that right for myself.

I have no problem with any of that, my decision to stay out of pure proprietary systems is also my Capitalist choice based on the inherent problems of limits on development where a single business entity controls all access and effectively restricts development thereby while forcing prices high.  I've been screwed once relying on proprietary systems, never again.

There is an inevitable lack of economy of scale with them as well.  The most ingenious proprietary hardware or software in a proprietary system, once on the market at the high proprietary price, can be replicated for the open platform and produced at a fraction of the price point for a market that has three to ten times the number of users and unrestricted competition.

It's an interesting footnote to the computer wars that it was essentially an accident that the PC platform became an open architecture system, IBM's original deals with Microsoft and Intel involved some wrong guesses all around and a certain amount dumb luck in the outcomes.  But, that original foundation made it impossible for one company to keep the system proprietary, and the resulting open door led in relatively short order to the PC clone dominating the market. 
Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice.

Offline AllosaursRus

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11672
  • Reputation: +424/-293
  • Skip Tracing by Contract Only!
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2010, 12:03:39 PM »
Perfectionist?? Apparently you don't do any work on the insides of computers. Macs are the exact same as PCs. I guess you haven't experienced Windows 7, either. Microsoft has come a LONG way and even I'll admit that Gates stole the Apple OS and attempted to make it his own by releasing "Windows". Then, we could address the issues of the iPhone 4.......... that even Jobs refuses to correct at his own expense.

As far as iPods, I've found that there are several iPod-like devices out there that are better and doesn't require special software to transfer music, like the Creative Zen.... Hell, even my cell phone, which is also an mp3 player works just fine with Windows 7 only. No outside apps required.

Only 1K songs?? ...........  :loser:   :tongue: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Apple stole it from Xerox! Jobs could have had the contract with IBM, but was too busy and arrogant to meet with their reps. Gates saw the opportunity and never looked back!

ETA:

I got into 'puters when everyone was sharing their software. It was the days before IBM clones. We ran CPM, which is still free. Jobs decided he and his bud should keep theirs to themselves. Gates followed, and now Linux is the only open OS. Actually if you get involved with Linux, I think it runs a real close second to Windows 7. I use it for the open source CNC software.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2010, 12:08:01 PM by AllosaursRus »
I'm the guy your mother warned you about!
 

Offline Thor

  • General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!
  • In Memoriam
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13103
  • Reputation: +363/-297
  • Native Texan & US Navy (ret)
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2010, 05:35:00 PM »
Last time I tried Linux, it wouldn't install. Bad download, whatever. I dunno. I couldn't even get it to run from the cd. I tried FiestyFox a long while ago and it wasn't bad. I had a major problem connecting to an HP all in one networked printer, though. No matter what I tried, it wouldn't work. Other than the printer issue, it wasn't too bad.
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."- IBID

I AM your General Ne'er Do Well, Troublemaker & All Around Meanie!!

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."-Thomas Jefferson

Offline Chris_

  • Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 46845
  • Reputation: +2028/-266
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2010, 05:38:09 PM »
The newest Ubuntu desktop release works on both my systems.  I'm in the process of installing that copy of OS X on an extra drive right now.
If you want to worship an orange pile of garbage with a reckless disregard for everything, get on down to Arbys & try our loaded curly fries.

Offline AllosaursRus

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11672
  • Reputation: +424/-293
  • Skip Tracing by Contract Only!
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2010, 10:09:35 PM »
Last time I tried Linux, it wouldn't install. Bad download, whatever. I dunno. I couldn't even get it to run from the cd. I tried FiestyFox a long while ago and it wasn't bad. I had a major problem connecting to an HP all in one networked printer, though. No matter what I tried, it wouldn't work. Other than the printer issue, it wasn't too bad.

I'll PM ya the link for the one I use. I've never had a prob. Since it's a CNC base, it communicates with printers pretty well, CNC works off the printer port, so I think it is geared that way. There's so many, it's hard to find one that the bugs have been worked out. All my Buds recommended it so I figure they've gone thru the DeBug.

I'll look it up first chance I get and send it to ya.
I'm the guy your mother warned you about!
 

Offline PatriotGame

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4285
  • Reputation: +227/-96
  • Look at my BIG feet! Woof!
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2010, 03:04:13 AM »
Apple stole it from Xerox! Jobs could have had the contract with IBM, but was too busy and arrogant to meet with their reps. Gates saw the opportunity and never looked back!

ETA:

I got into 'puters when everyone was sharing their software. It was the days before IBM clones. We ran CPM, which is still free. Jobs decided he and his bud should keep theirs to themselves. Gates followed, and now Linux is the only open OS. Actually if you get involved with Linux, I think it runs a real close second to Windows 7. I use it for the open source CNC software.
Good lord, CPM that I ran on an old 2nd hand Altair then patched to run on a borrowed 1985 IBM XT. Then to DOS 2.01 on a Tandy 1000EX with COLOR CGA monitor in 1987. When one of the best games was Red Baron and an external 20 MB hard drive was huge!!!
           ►☼Liberals Are THE Root of ALL Evil!☼◄

Offline DumbAss Tanker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28493
  • Reputation: +1710/-151
Re: Apple Applies for Patent to Restrict "Unauthorized" Use of iPhones/iPods
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2010, 08:31:23 AM »
Good lord, CPM that I ran on an old 2nd hand Altair then patched to run on a borrowed 1985 IBM XT. Then to DOS 2.01 on a Tandy 1000EX with COLOR CGA monitor in 1987. When one of the best games was Red Baron and an external 20 MB hard drive was huge!!!

 :lmao:

I still remember a couple of friends who were Apple II owners getting worked up to a lather when the local Apple dealer in Indy got amber monochrome monitors in, instead of just green ones, and they rushed out to buy one each that night.
Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice.