To clarify -- it's an Islamic Community Center and not a Mosque

[dandi]

LOL You freakin' dumbass:

LostinVA  (1000+ posts)      Sun Aug-01-10 11:44 AM
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To clarify -- it's an Islamic Community Center and not a Mosque
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It will have a prayer room, which I simply see no problem with, and as regular posters know, I have problems with many of Islam's cultural beliefs that are anti-women and anti-gay.

Is a hospital a Cathedral because it has a chapel? Is a university? Is a YMCA a church because the "C" stands for "Christian"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8858865&mesg_id=8858865

Do you think the Old Dominion carpet muncher is that naive or just covering for DU's beloved Islamists? We have an "Islamic Community Center" in my little podunk town. Everyone knows it's a mosque, the builders just call it what they do to avoid offending any of the local sensibilities.

I suppose my church is really just a "Christian Community Center." It has a (fairly large) "prayer room," classrooms, offices and a fellowship hall.

Look, if you think it's just peachy to have it at that location in NYC, just call it what it is. Why would you try to cover it up?

[Randy]

Islamic Community Center = more PC boolsheet

[Ballygrl]

LostinVA  (1000+ posts)      Sun Aug-01-10 11:44 AM
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To clarify -- it's an Islamic Community Center and not a Mosque

It will have a prayer room, which I simply see no problem with, and as regular posters know, I have problems with many of Islam's cultural beliefs that are anti-women and anti-gay.

Is a hospital a Cathedral because it has a chapel? Is a university? Is a YMCA a church because the "C" stands for "Christian"?

Let me clarify, it's a smack in the face on the graves where over 2,000 of our citizens perished.

And how would you feel if an ultra right Christian sect who spoke the truth about Islam decided to open a center there? would you have a problem with a prayer room there? I think you would. Also you're making excuses when you say on 1 hand that you have problems with Islam's beliefs when it comes to women and gay people, yet you don't protest against this center going up at all, why? because Islam has declared war on the US and western society?

You're a buffoon TYVM!

[Revolution]

Let alone my problems with an Islamic prayer center basically on the graves of our citizens BECAUSE of Islamic radicals, an "Islamic Community Center" is equally-if not MORE offensive. It makes it seem like they're using the place to party. If you DUmors want to anger me, tell me it's OK to build a Mosque a block away from the deadliest U.S. terrorist attack in my lifetime-caused by Muslims. If you want to spin me into a realm of pissed off I don't often go to, tell me it's OK to build a "Community center" for Muslims a block away from the deadliest U.S. terrorist attack in my lifetime.

[LC EFA]

Islamic Community Center just means that they have on-site training facilities as well as a "prayer room".

[Revolution]

I know. AND a swimming pool!  I'll probably throw a scornful look towards the former Coat factory when I'm visiting Ground Zero.

[PatriotGame]

Islamic Community Center just means that they have on-site training facilities as well as a "prayer room".

And vending machines too!

[docstew]

I know. AND a swimming pool!  I'll probably throw a scornful look towards the former Coat factory when I'm visiting Ground Zero.

How about you throw some bacon around there too?

[Revolution]

^ 

While I would love to get some fresh bacon from the store, and stick it to the side of the building, (Bacon Darts-Hahaha) I don't think right in the middle of uber liberal NYC is such a good idea... I don't think I can afford the ticket or the  that would go along with it.

[miskie]

I would be less offended if radical Islam didn't have a history of sticking a mosque on top of where an enemy's church/palace/temple/headquarters etc. once stood. This combined with the fact they are naming the building after another brutal assault makes it difficult to accept their motives as described.

It would be the same as starting a pig farm on what was Muslim holy land.

[Airwolf]

^ 

While I would love to get some fresh bacon from the store, and stick it to the side of the building, (Bacon Darts-Hahaha) I don't think right in the middle of uber liberal NYC is such a good idea... I don't think I can afford the ticket or the  that would go along with it.

A ticket for what? Vandalizing private property? That might get you a fine in NY assuming they ever caught you and it went to trial.

[AllosaursRus]

Hey ya dipshit DUmbass, tell me again what is erected over the spot where Salomon's Temple once stood....

I rest my case! DIpSHit!

[Celtic Rose]

Hey ya dipshit DUmbass, tell me again what is erected over the spot where Salomon's Temple once stood....

I rest my case! DIpSHit!

And what did they do with the Hagia Sophia once they conquered Constantinople?

[thundley4]

And what did they do with the Hagia Sophia once they conquered Constantinople?

It one of the ways they "conquer"  . The Religion of Peace^TM always tries to supplant the local holy grounds.

[Revolution]

A ticket for what? Vandalizing private property? That might get you a fine in NY assuming they ever caught you and it went to trial.

Airwolf...if I didn't have such bad luck, I'd have none at all.

[Karin]

There is only one candidate for governor of NY willing to put a stop to it.  Carl Paladino.  Heads up, BSS and Carl. 

[delilahmused]

To clarify--the name of the mosque is "Cordoba" is a historical reminder to Muslims (as they actually teach their children their unique history this event is well-known) of the 1st conquering of a WESTERN area. The people living there (evil Christians I know so they probably deserved it, even the children) were slaughtered or made slaves. The Muslims built their mosque where the Christian church once stood and even used some of the rubble from the destroyed church to build it. Building a mosque was often their first act upon conquering a new place.

To clarify--it's grand opening is on 9/11. Knowing what a painful day this is for most Americans especially LIBERAL New Yorkers, they could have picked a different day.

To clarify (further) if all this nuance escapes you--What if some whacked out Christian group "not representative of the larger body of Christ" bombed the country's largest abortion clinic and it was blown to smithereens with the baby killers, I mean doctors and nurses inside ON PURPOSE. Well, except the Jewish ones, I suppose because one always has to leave room for a good conspiracy theory or 2. And then another group of Christians, not the same group...these new ones aren't radicals, sure they're pro-life and understand the acts of their fellow believers they would never blow anything up themselves. And of course there's absolutely no proof any of them gave any funding resources to the radicals. Anyway, these Christians, evangelical, young earth fundamentalists buy the property and build a "community center" right where the clinic used to stand. Luckily, they were even able to use most of the foundation. Now, there's a large chapel there, sure but it also has a pool (doubles as a baptismal, but that really doesn't matter because when they're not dunking for God even infidels who've had an abortion are welcome). There's a basketball court and a lovely outdoor playground in a park-like setting. Oh, the name of this "community center"? The Scott Roeder Community Center. Now you should know, it's just a coincidence...they picked the name because of his devoutness as a Christian and not for any "radical" bad acts he may have done. It's all very nuanced and politically correct.

Cindie

[BlueStateSaint]

There is only one candidate for governor of NY willing to put a stop to it.  Carl Paladino.  Heads up, BSS and Carl. 

I've heard him about 30 times.  Good opening line.

[Karin]

There's a chick working on his campaign (I've worked a little on it), and she is TIRELESS.  She is going 24/7, and is perpetually cheerful and upbeat. 

Hey BSS, I tried the Reuben chicken last night.  Man, was that ever good!  I served with rice pilaf to soak up some of the sauce.  Love that combo of saurkraut and TI dressing. 

[BlueStateSaint]

There's a chick working on his campaign (I've worked a little on it), and she is TIRELESS.  She is going 24/7, and is perpetually cheerful and upbeat. 

Hey BSS, I tried the Reuben chicken last night.  Man, was that ever good!  I served with rice pilaf to soak up some of the sauce.  Love that combo of saurkraut and TI dressing. 

Yup, my wife hit a home run when she served that to me the first time . . .

[Karin]

CC this poll.  msnbc poll

Right now, it's at 49,675 votes, with 16% say yes, 82% say no, and 2% undecided. 

http://www.paladinoforthepeople.com

[debk]

CC this poll.  msnbc poll

Right now, it's at 49,675 votes, with 16% say yes, 82% say no, and 2% undecided. 

http://www.paladinoforthepeople.com

As of this morning....it appears that it will be constructed.

A unanimous vote today by a New York City landmarks commission clears the way for the controversial construction of an Islamic community center and mosque two blocks from the World Trade Center.

  http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/08/nyc-panel-oks-building-islamic-center-mosque-near-ground-zero/1?csp=34


I'm not sure that building this Islamic center can be stopped under any circumstances, unless the facility is not acceptable to the zoning statutes.

DAT can explain this better, and whether or not it is legal.

It is illegal to discriminate - at least in housing - due race, religion, national origin, color, gender, disabilities or families with children, because of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 (Fair Housing Act).

I recognize this is not a residential, but it isn't exactly commercial either, however...in some places, churches, if the community does not zone them as "church zoned", they come under "residential zoned".

[I checked here, where on one streeet, there is a Baptist Church and the Jewish Community Center, both are inside the city limits. Tax records lists the Church as "county exempt - church", the Community Center as "county exempt - misc services".]

If, in fact, NYC follows the Civil Rights Act with regard to metropolitan planning...then there is no way they can deny the mosque-community center being built....or those trying to build it will have a huge lawsuit based on not only religious discrimination, but also national origin, and could probably throw in race and color. They WOULD win. 

While I do think it's wrong on many different levels for those who wish to build this "community center" to chose this location(at minimal, it's a slap in the face to those who were killed and their family members)....it is down the street and around a corner from Ground Zero. It is not part of the site, nor is it even right next door, nor can Ground Zero be seen from the front of the building. (this morning on Fox, one of the anchormen, was outside showing the proximity of the two areas, and explaining as he walked down the two streets)

It did however, have a wheel section from one of the planes come down through the roof of the building that will become the center. Maybe that will be enough to "curse" the building.

[AllosaursRus]

The Planning and Zoning Commission can in fact, deny a permit for any reason they feel like! Such as: "It's just not a good fit for the area or other businesses in the vicinity". Happens all the time.

Unfortunately, what they feel like, is stabbing Americans in the back all the while loading their bank accounts, if prior NYC politics are any indication!

[debk]

The Planning and Zoning Commission can in fact, deny a permit for any reason they feel like! Such as: "It's just not a good fit for the area or other businesses in the vicinity". Happens all the time.

Unfortunately, what they feel like, is stabbing Americans in the back all the while loading their bank accounts, if prior NYC politics are any indication!

Yes...the MPC or whatever it's called any area....can and do deny permits for all kinds of reasons even the random "it's not a good fit"....just as they are going to give someone with "deep pockets" a permit on property that is totally illogical.

However, no matter where they are, they are still going to be extremely careful that no one can claim religious or racial discrimination, regarding their denial.

[Airwolf]

The Planning and Zoning Commission can in fact, deny a permit for any reason they feel like! Such as: "It's just not a good fit for the area or other businesses in the vicinity". Happens all the time.

Unfortunately, what they feel like, is stabbing Americans in the back all the while loading their bank accounts, if prior NYC politics are any indication!

I wonder if the Planning and Zoning commission could force them to shape the building like a pig? I mean around here they have made Wal Marts change the look of their stores to suit the location.