Is there a way to get the "OMG Sharia Law" nitwits to understand what they are a

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jberryhill  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-30-10 07:23 AM
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Is there a way to get the "OMG Sharia Law" nitwits to understand what they are against?
 
The "OMG we gotta stop Sharia" folks are the same ones who want to stick "The Ten Commandments" everywhere.

Are they really too utterly dumb to realize that they are talking about, at root, the same thing?

Am I the only one who sees the disconnect there?

I don't see them running around with a bee in their bonnet about Halacha, which is the parallel body of Jewish law also stemming from the Ten Commandments.

"Sharia" is not some specific set of rules, and interpretations vary from place to place. It is a system of reasoning that is as worth getting excited over as are Talmudic arguments or Christian exegesis.

Edweird  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-30-10 07:28 AM
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2. It wouldn't bother me a bit if both groups faded into obscurity.

No sure who the two groups are- Probably Christian and Jewish.

cleanhippie (140 posts)      Fri Jul-30-10 07:29 AM
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4. No, you are not the only one that is confused.
 But then again, the christians in this country that push their religion onto the rest of us are the ones that say this is a "christian nation", blah blah blah, and cannot see the hypocrisy in both their actions and words. Disgusting!

Mole.

Ruby the Liberal  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-30-10 07:35 AM
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5. There is more to it than that.
 Sharia holds that a woman is half of a man and that a woman (or young girl) can be stoned if they are raped.

Sharia is draconian at its core and should be shunned by a free and sane society.

OOooo....not long for DU this one is [/yoda]

hobbit709  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-30-10 07:38 AM
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6. the nutjobs that want biblica(O.T.)l law are little different in their views.
 They would bring back stoning, etc. if they could.
 

Most of the Christians I know are completely into stoning.

Ruby the Liberal  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-30-10 08:13 AM
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12. I refer you to the Iranian Green Revolution
 If there are Christians out there calling for stoning rape victims, I'd love to see the evidence.

Sharia law costs the innocent their lives. You minimize what is a human rights crisis.
I stand with Dr. Dean

jberryhill  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-30-10 08:26 AM
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17. I gave you the passage
 Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 08:28 AM by jberryhill
WTF do you think Christians WANT when they say our laws should be based on the Bible?

You can pretend all you want. The thing you deplore is what Christians want to happen here.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy...

13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

They are defending Islamic law by linking it to OT law, claiming the Christian Church wants to bring back stoning??? They wonder why we call them DUmpmonkiez.

[Chris_]

jberryhill  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-30-10 07:23 AM
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Is there a way to get the "OMG Sharia Law" nitwits to understand what they are against?

I'll be happy to buy your dumb ass a one-way plane ticket to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan so you can see Sharia law up close and personal.

"Sharia" is not some specific set of rules,

[Chris_]

I'm pretty sure the Lord's covenant with David succeeded the one laid out in Deuteronomy and Leviticus by Moses.

[miskie]

"Sharia" is not some specific set of rules,

it isn't - the sentence for crimes against Sharia varies from place to place... 

sometimes its;

death by stoning
death by hanging
death by beheading
death by immolation

etc etc etc -- See - lots of variation in the rules..

[ColonialMarine0431]

"Sharia" is not some specific set of rules,

How can 1 person be so ****ing clueless?

[ColonialMarine0431]

it isn't

Wrong.

Also meaning "path" in Arabic, sharia guides all aspects of Muslim life including daily routines, familial and religious obligations, and financial dealings. It is derived primarily from the Quran and the Sunna--the sayings, practices, and teachings of the Prophet Mohammed. Precedents and analogy applied by Muslim scholars are used to address new issues. The consensus of the Muslim community also plays a role in defining this theological manual.


http://www.cfr.org/publication/8034/islam.html#p2

[miskie]

Wrong.

Also meaning "path" in Arabic, sharia guides all aspects of Muslim life including daily routines, familial and religious obligations, and financial dealings. It is derived primarily from the Quran and the Sunna--the sayings, practices, and teachings of the Prophet Mohammed. Precedents and analogy applied by Muslim scholars are used to address new issues. The consensus of the Muslim community also plays a role in defining this theological manual.


http://www.cfr.org/publication/8034/islam.html#p2

Oh, I know -- I was being sarcastic   

Sharia, as I understand it is a predetermined manual for life.... Often with astoundingly harsh consequences.

[ColonialMarine0431]

Oh, I know -- I was being sarcastic   

Sharia, as I understand it is a predetermined manual for life.... Often with astoundingly harsh consequences.

Lolol...

I re-read your post. My bad. The sarcasm completely escaped me. A thousand lashes for me. 

[Mike220]

I don't see them running around with a bee in their bonnet about Halacha, which is the parallel body of Jewish law also stemming from the Ten Commandments.

Idiot. Halakha deals with how the Jews themselves are supposed to live, not everyone else.

Sharia on the other hand... Though of course, with the exception of the Red primitive (which could describe them all), they have no idea what sharia actually is.
 

[miskie]

Lolol...

I re-read your post. My bad. The sarcasm completely escaped me. A thousand lashes for me. 

meh. Crap happens - no big..   

[Ballygrl]

Here's some Tenet's of Shariah Law, all it would take the DUmmie to do was to google, oh yeah, this really compares to Christianity and Judaism

Tenets of Shariah Law

Examples of Shariah Law include the following: (from the authoritative source Reliance of the Traveller, The Sacred Manual of Islamic Law)

    * Requirement of women  to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms
    * Beating of disobedient woman and girls
    * Execution of homosexuals
    * Engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages
    * Requirement of the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape
    * Stoning of adulteresses
    * Lashing of adulterers
    * Amputation of body for criminal offenses
    * Female genital mutilation
    * Capital punishment for those who slander or insult Islam
    * Execution of apostates, or those that leave the religion of Islam
    * Inferior status for all non-Muslims, known as Dhimmitude
    * Concept of Taquiyya: A Muslim may lie or deceive others to advance the cause of Islam

[JohnnyReb]

..,the environmentalist will love sharia.....you are to wipe your ass with the left hand and an odd number of smooth stones.....save the trees, convert to Islam.

I don't know what we'll do when we run out of an odd number of smooth stones. I'm cleaning the creek out now for when TSHTF.

[Vagabond]

Here's some Tenet's of Shariah Law, all it would take the DUmmie to do was to google, oh yeah, this really compares to Christianity and Judaism

Tenets of Shariah Law

Examples of Shariah Law include the following: (from the authoritative source Reliance of the Traveller, The Sacred Manual of Islamic Law)

    * Requirement of women  to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms
    * Beating of disobedient woman and girls
    * Execution of homosexuals
    * Engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages
    * Requirement of the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape
    * Stoning of adulteresses
    * Lashing of adulterers
    * Amputation of body for criminal offenses
    * Female genital mutilation
    * Capital punishment for those who slander or insult Islam
    * Execution of apostates, or those that leave the religion of Islam
    * Inferior status for all non-Muslims, known as Dhimmitude
    * Concept of Taquiyya: A Muslim may lie or deceive others to advance the cause of Islam

Not to mention the jizya tax for non-muslims, specifically meant to destroy non-muslim communities.  Then again, have the primitives ever found a tax they didn't like?

[JohnnyReb]

Not to mention the jizya tax for non-muslims, specifically meant to destroy non-muslim communities.  Then again, have the primitives ever found a tax they didn't like?

True.....BUT THEY WILL PAY THIS ONE.....

[diesel driver]

Not to mention the jizya tax for non-muslims, specifically meant to destroy non-muslim communities.  Then again, have the primitives ever found a tax they didn't like?

Only the ones THEY have to pay.

[TheSarge]

jberryhill  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-30-10 07:23 AM
http://www.democraticunde...l&address=389x8847210

Is there a way to get the "OMG Sharia Law" nitwits to understand what they are against?
 
The "OMG we gotta stop Sharia" folks are the same ones who want to stick "The Ten Commandments" everywhere.

Are they really too utterly dumb to realize that they are talking about, at root, the same thing?

Am I the only one who sees the disconnect there?

I don't see them running around with a bee in their bonnet about Halacha, which is the parallel body of Jewish law also stemming from the Ten Commandments.

"Sharia" is not some specific set of rules, and interpretations vary from place to place. It is a system of reasoning that is as worth getting excited over as are Talmudic arguments or Christian exegesis.

A system of "reasoning?  Really?

Does THIS look like "reasoning to you?



Where in the Ten Commandments or in Jewish Talmudic teaching does it say THIS is ok?




See it's ****wits like you who try to morally equate Christian and Jewish faith with the brutal Sharia law in order to foster your "every religion is bad" mantra that allow the folks like the Taliban to continue to prosper.

Your complete and utter lack of understanding and comprehension of Christianity and Jidiasm reveal you for the religon hating ass clown you really are.

[MrsSmith]

I think you all are being too harsh on the DUmmies.  It's quite obvious that the laws and actions of the Children of Israel from several thousand years ago are exactly equivalent to the laws and actions of Muslims alive today.   


Unless, of course, you have some extremely basic understanding of the Convenants and the foundation of Christianity.  And the foundation of Western Civilization.  And the foundation of this country.  All of which, thanks to the liberal control of education, are completely unknown to the vast majority of all supposedly-educated US citizens.  However, they all know all about the Crusades (except the Muslim actions, of course) and all about the Inquisition (except that the numbers killed are hugely inflated, of course).   


My daughter said something to me the other day about us "killing all the Indians for land."  I didn't even stop to think when I snapped back, "Yeah, it had nothing to do with them killing peaceful farmers."  She just stared at me, clueless...and she not only grew up in the Midwest, she is also educated enough to have a Bachelor's degree.  **sigh**