Work camps for bobbo hobo?

[thundley4]

quinnox   (1000+ posts)           Thu Jul-29-10 07:09 PM
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Optional work camps for the homeless
   
This idea came to me, there could be work camps for the homeless. They would be optional. You would get a place to sleep, food to eat, and bathrooms with showers for being in the work camp and doing your job. And you would get a minor amount of money for your work, but the bulk of your reward would be food and board. The work would be mostly labor work, and could be simple tasks but still hard work. Perhaps local businesses could have small jobs they need done worked on at the camps, and in return they provide some financing.

This might be good for homeless who are looking to get out of being homeless and teach them new job skills and life skills too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8842321

EstimatedProphet   (1000+ posts)             Thu Jul-29-10 07:10 PM
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1. Arbeit macht frei.

What does a DUmmie know about work or freedom?

Cant trust em   (1000+ posts)             Thu Jul-29-10 07:10 PM
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2. There has to be a better name for this than "work camps"
   
Bring a sort of Nazi-ish vision into my head.

Just sayin'.
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grasswire   (1000+ posts)           Thu Jul-29-10 07:11 PM
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3. I believe this used to be called "the poor farm"
   
My former MIL lived in fear of being sent to one for years after the Great Depression.
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Donnachaidh   (1000+ posts)           Thu Jul-29-10 07:11 PM
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4. "bulk of your reward would be food and board"
   
Company store anyone?


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arcane1 (1000+ posts)           Thu Jul-29-10 07:12 PM
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5. Sounds like a positive step to me
   
especially for those who had drug/alcohol issues and don't have any work history to speak of. As long as the system is setup so that they can actually move up in the world afterward, and not be stuck there because they don't make enough $ to leave.

But yeah, "work camp" probably isn't the best term 

[JohnnyReb]

I'm taking bets that they don't even "farm" enough to feed themselves.

[miskie]

I'm taking bets that they don't even "farm" enough to feed themselves.

But..but..but -- they are all professionals!!11!!!eleventy1111!!!!!

[PatriotGame]

Cant trust em   (1000+ posts)             Thu Jul-29-10 07:10 PM
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2. There has to be a better name for this than "work camps"
  
Bring a sort of Nazi-ish vision into my head.

OMG!!!111

A homeless anarchist hippie pot-head DUmmy actually having to expend some effort to support themselves?
Oh the horror of it all!
The tragedy!
The unfairness!

I-AM-A-VICTIM!!!111

[BattleHymn]

You mean like this, DUmmie?

You DUmmies wouldn't be interested, though, for three reasons:

1.  More often than not, these facilities are faith-based.

2.  They are privately run, non-governmental institutions.

3.  I've run into some people that have come out of these places.  None of them have had the victim attitude you primitives possess.   

Put your money where your mouth is, DUmmies.  Here is the link to donate:  https://www.nfpsystems.com/contrib/contrib.asp?org=141

[jukin]

Hitler, Stalin, and Mao all had the same idea. 

[Tucker]

Bobo doesn't want a work camp to sustain her life. She wants a 4 star palatial abode without restrictions.

I'm beginning to think she's a mole.

[Boudicca]

Bobo doesn't want a work camp to sustain her life. She wants a 4 star palatial abode without restrictions.

I'm beginning to think she's a mole.

She is such a damn broken record about the plight of the homeless and NOTHING else that I'm really beginning to suspect she's a mole.  Even if she isn't, if enough of us start talking non-stop about her being one, maybe she'll get disappeared from Skimmer's Fantasy Island like Wee Willie Pitt did.

[Ballygrl]

ALERT, Bobbo is in the house, oh, and not 1 person questioning what Library is open at this time of night:

EstimatedProphet  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:00 PM
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96. Can you believe we're actually discussing poor farms on DU?

bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Jul-29-10 09:05 PM
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109. Yes, I believe it. The "New" Dems are Republican lite, and they love it that way.
   
Just think how superior you would feel, bossing around those homeless captives!

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:16 PM
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124. Oh, I think its BIIIG steps.
   
"Mother may I?"

Seriously, I really want these types to have to experience everything that they propose for the "other".

And, serve alongside Tancredo when they do it!

:evilgrin:

Thanks... it really does help to know that friends like you are seeing what we homeless people are truly up against.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:07 PM
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110. The joke's on US.
   
Insensitivity is IN, brother.

Now see why I have been completely discouraged???? THIS is the mentality.

I need a friend.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:08 PM
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111. You first.
   
Then, your mother.

I'm sure she would love you for it.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:09 PM
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112. What's worse is that I'm not at all surprised.
   


I used to hate that emoticon... I thought it was completely tasteless. There are times when the posts are so tasteless its the only emoticon that fits.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:24 PM
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137. Thank you for getting it. That is the only saving grace of this repulsive thread--
   
many of you are now seeing the attitude that we homeless people deal with on a daily basis.

Yes, this is really the mindset that we have to deal with.

This is the sort of thing we would expect from Beck, or O'Reilly, etc.

Aren't we proud of what we have become?

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:44 PM
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153. ^_^ I've been on the road all day.... .just got to a library, and saw that someone notified me
   
about this.

I gotta tell ya... I am so grateful for so many friendly "faces" here... this would be real hell if I were to stumble upon this and not see people puking on their shoes!!

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:58 PM
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166. Naw.... I wanna see this poster and the others (the very few, thank the goddess!), who think
   
this is a plan, IN the "camp" themselves.

They go first.

Really, I want to see them in it!

heck, we could go throw some govmint cheese at 'em!

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:19 PM
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127. HOUSING, not shelter.
   
I repeat, HOUSING, not shelter.

If it helps to cement the idea, just think of your mother having to live the rest of her life bouncing from shelter to shelter.

The country is overrun with "shelters".

We. Need. Housing.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:38 PM
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148. I thought you probably were, but there is so much ignorance about this whole issue
   
that it is important to stipulate exactly what is needed.

No, there are PLENTY of shelters!

Its HOUSING that is misssing.

Shelters are being used as permanent housing, and that is just perpetuating the problem. The more shelters there are, the less chance for ANY housing to be built.

Please understand about this... this isn't semantics.

This is a serious issue.

NO to your last sentence! NO NO NO!

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:30 PM
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143. I'm glad this thead is here... I'm glad you saw it.
   
Now you know the attitude we deal with on a daily basis.

Think what it does to one's spirit.

This is for REAL.

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:03 PM
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104. I would LOVE to be captive in a labor camp!
   
Let me guess... this idea came from Faux Snooze, right?

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:21 PM
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131. I was thinking more of having to press the right lever, and barking correctly.
   
:hi:

Thanks... the only saving grace is that some of you are getting this... and understanding the mentality that we have to deal with on a daily basis.

For that reason, I am thankful for this thread, and will bookmark it.

People need to know this *is* the kind of attitude we are constantly confronted with.

[diesel driver]

Hitler, Stalin, and Mao all had the same idea. 

So did FDR.

Remember the CC Camps from the 1930's?

[diesel driver]

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:19 PM
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127. HOUSING, not shelter.
  
I repeat, HOUSING, not shelter.

If it helps to cement the idea, just think of your mother having to live the rest of her life bouncing from shelter to shelter.

The country is overrun with "shelters".

We. Need. Housing.

Here's an idea, bobo.

Get off your ass and BUILD. YOUR. OWN. DAMNED. HOUSING!

[Tucker]

She is such a damn broken record about the plight of the homeless and NOTHING else that I'm really beginning to suspect she's a mole.  Even if she isn't, if enough of us start talking non-stop about her being one, maybe she'll get disappeared from Skimmer's Fantasy Island like Wee Willie Pitt did.

One sure way to get her TS'd is to elect her DUmmy of the year. After that title is placed on them, they don't seem to last the following year. Pam is an exception. She really is a stupid DOY.

[zeitgeist]

So did FDR.

Remember the CC Camps from the 1930's?

I remember stories of them from the paternal side of the family.  The maternal side no.  The paternal side were city dwellers by that time and when the deification hit the ventilation they were up against it. Maternal side lived on dirt poor rock farm, they didn't even know there was a depression. 

Both sides agreed FDR didn't end the depression but differed on his responsibility for the war. 

[ScubaGuy]

Poor Bobo:

From another thread about a house in Hawaii:
Link

bobbolink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Jul-27-10 03:49 PM
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1. It is sad, but on the other hand, I understand hs relief.
   
From what I understand (when I visited there) is that the people whose homes are stranded in outlying areas cannot get insurance repayment unless they actually stay in the house. So, they don't have utilities, or as the article mentions, even the roads are practially inaccessible, so this homeowner has been living very precariously for quite a while.

Aloha to him and his famiily. :pals:

There are other threads where Bobo the mole talks of visiting other places around the country.

[JohnnyReb]

Poor Bobo:

From another thread about a house in Hawaii:
Link

There are other threads where Bobo the mole talks of visiting other places around the country.

When you're a professional hobo and you've used up all the handouts, other freebies and become to well known in an area, you move on to the next batch of liberal suckers.

[ScubaGuy]

county worker  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 08:41 PM
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79. Nothing is free.
   
Somebody has to work to earn the money to pay for it.

A DUmmie who gets it.

Liberation Angel  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:21 PM
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132. Au contraire
   
I eat for free all the time (plenty of free food in the wild and even in dumpsters). Homeless people find free places to sleep.

Health care can be provided free by doctors willing to provide it.

Money is a totally fabricated social consensus construct.

It is NOT required for ANYTHING.

Resources ARE required however, yet money is never required. You could totally live in a barter system world if the social structure was in place for that.

Naturyl  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri Jul-30-10 01:15 AM
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239. Yes indeed. The reality is that everything is free.   Updated at 3:59 AM
   
People have just been conditioned to think the opposite, so that the "ownership class" can exploit their fears for enormous profits.

[Texacon]

bobbolink  Donating Member 


Thu Jul-29-10 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #150

153. ^_^ I've been on the road all day.... .just got to a library, and saw that someone notified me
   
about this.

I gotta tell ya... I am so grateful for so many friendly "faces" here... this would be real hell if I were to stumble upon this and not see people puking on their shoes!!

Ok, I get tired of bobbo the hobo.  bobbo is either a world class mole (that's what I'm betting) or is the biggest liar to ever hit the island.

Here's an interesting link;

http://denverlibrary.org/

On the right hand side is a little pull down menu for all their libraries.  Intersting fact .... none of them are open later than 8:00 pm and most are only open to 6:00 pm.

KC

[DumbAss Tanker]

So did FDR.

Remember the CC Camps from the 1930's?

...Or the Job Corps in the 60s?  As I recall, very few of the enrollees were actually gassed or shot by guards.

[AllosaursRus]

C'mon guys! If you're homeless, anyone here want to tell me why you would leave Hawaii for Denver?

[delilahmused]

Liberation Angel  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:21 PM
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132. Au contraire
   
I eat for free all the time (plenty of free food in the wild and even in dumpsters). Homeless people find free places to sleep.

While food in the wild may be free, even the food you dig out of the dumpster isn't "free". A farmer grew that head of lettuce: seeds, labor, soil amendments, transportation to market cost money...someone has to be paid. Stores have to buy the food to sell to customers. Food not sold and put in the dumpster is a loss for the store. Unless said homeless person sleeps in the woods or something, shelters are paid for by someone: charitable donations, government (i.e. TAX PAYER) subsidies, etc.

Health care can be provided free by doctors willing to provide it.

Then why the hell do we need single payer? But if this is true, someone is paying. The facility where the doctor sees patients for "free", the medical equipment used, the time the doctor/nurse, etc. aren't getting a salary costs money. There's a cost to manufacture equipment. Are you going to tell some poor, barely making a living wage, "undocumented worker" who works on an assembly line so he can feed his 7 anchor babies "you're not getting paid for the next few hours of work because we're donating these stethoscopes to free clinics". And you truckers are donating your time, too, even if you're an independent contractor. Gas is on you because Liberation Angel needs a free check up.

Money is a totally fabricated social consensus construct.

Tell that to the people above who actually want to get paid for the labor they expend making your "free" stuff.

It is NOT required for ANYTHING.

see above. lather. rinse. repeat.

Resources ARE required however, yet money is never required. You could totally live in a barter system world if the social structure was in place for that.

Yes, they're called communes and haven't even worked all that well with you "peace and love" folks either, because inevitably a few end up doing all the work so that others like you can barter for your "free" stuff.

Cindie

[LC EFA]

Ok, I get tired of bobbo the hobo.  bobbo is either a world class mole (that's what I'm betting) or is the biggest liar to ever hit the island.

Here's an interesting link;

http://denverlibrary.org/

On the right hand side is a little pull down menu for all their libraries.  Intersting fact .... none of them are open later than 8:00 pm and most are only open to 6:00 pm.

KC

I believe that when it's 9:44pm Eastern time (the time DU runs on) - it's still only 7:44pm Denver time, so maybe there's a grain of truth to it.

[Vagabond]

Liberation Angel  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-29-10 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #79
132. Au contraire
   
I eat for free all the time (plenty of free food in the wild and even in dumpsters). Homeless people find free places to sleep.

Health care can be provided free by doctors willing to provide it.

Money is a totally fabricated social consensus construct.

It is NOT required for ANYTHING.

Resources ARE required however, yet money is never required. You could totally live in a barter system world if the social structure was in place for that.

DIE, HIPPY, DIE!

[Randy]

I like the idea. Maybe we should build camps and let FEMA run them....  :innocent:

Bobo needs to just nut up, pack for the trip to the camp and practice this phrase, Shakin' it Boss!

 

[dandi]

The idea has merit, as long as the work involved is to sustain the facility itself - growing crops, tending livestock, daycare for children, maintaining the infrastructure, etc. They could have job re-training and counseling, substance abuse treatment, medical clinics, modular homes for families and dorms for single adults. It would be expected to be a transitional thing.

But as expected, DUmmies have to pile on and shit all over anything that suggests personal responsibility and effort. "ZOMG! Teh Nazi camps11!!!!!!" Geez, give the Nazis a fricken rest in their mouldy graves, willya?

Instead, they'd rather the homeless just remain homeless while waiting for some entitlement program that may or may not appear from a politician who may or may not be elected and who, once in, may or may not decide to keep their promises. How's that worked out for you so far, assholes?

At a minimum, it allows them to keep the homeless to use as a political football, and that's what's really important. Right, DUmbasses?

[JohnnyReb]

All discarded food should be sprinkled with sam-A-nilla....it would rid us of a lot of pest.



Am I mean to the dumpster divers or what?