sparkling husband primitive gets personal about Bela Pelosi

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8768999

Oh my.

Stinky The Clown  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jul-18-10 11:53 AM
THE SPARKLING HUSBAND PRIMITIVE, #05 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Original message

My personal take on Nancy Pelosi 

Let me start by saying that I was one of the last lefty Dems standing to support her after her infamous "off the table" statements. I then declared me in neutral support of her. All that said, I am a long time admirer of hers, remain so to this day, and think she's a tough cookie who is not to be ****ed with. I think she is eminently equipped to be Speaker.

With that out of the way, I think she made some mistakes coming out of the gate. Some of the high level Vichy Dems thought it imprudent back in 2005 to run for the 2006 round on the basis of bringing bushco to justice. She, being new to the job (yes, she had been Leader, but Speaker is a WHOLE new role for anyone - number 3 person in the country, to be accurate) took the word of the assembled Dem cogniscenti, glitterati, camp followers, hangers on, court jesters, and brain trust members to appear "moderate".

I think Speaker Pelosi's instinct is to make fast, accurate, cutting jabs to opponents' jugulars and render them incapable of resistance. She stifled that in an effort to be a team player, the team being then controlled by the newly resurgent "moderate middle" types that currently form our party's leadership.

I now see signs that US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is chafing at the bridle. She's no longer willing to silently go along to get along.

I also think her instincts are to be a no shit, honest to gawd liberal.

I hope her instincts play out above her party discipline.

marmar  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jul-18-10 11:57 AM
THE ORANGE MARMALADE PRIMITIVE
Response to Original message

1. She still comes across to me as a professional politician...... 

..... She might hold some liberal, or what passes as liberal nowadays, views, but at the end of the day, she's willing to compromise legislation to get deals done, even if she talks a good game. That said, I greatly prefer her over her Senate counterpart, Mr. Reid.

Davis_X_Machina  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jul-18-10 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
 
3. God knows....

...in a job like that, I'd want a amateur.

marmar  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jul-18-10 11:59 AM
THE ORANGE MARMALADE PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #3

4. I think you missed the point completely, but don't let that stop the stridency.....

Davis_X_Machina  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jul-18-10 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #4
 
6. DU is above all things...

....dedicated to a future politics-without-politicians. It's the one thing that unites all factions here -- and the one thing, from now till the heat-death of the sun, you're never going to see. I know it, and you know it. We all know it. But to get in the door you have to pretend otherwise.

There is no 'point', only a pose -- and the official DU pose to boot.

Stinky The Clown  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jul-18-10 12:00 PM
THE SPARKLING HUSBAND PRIMITIVE, #05 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #1

5. Aren't they all politicians? Your observations are accurate, in my view, and track with mine. 

I just don't think that's her instinct. I also get a sense that she's tired of compromising and wants to get some things done.

Maybe I'm just dreaming, but I think her recent verbal engagement with Mr. Gibbs is, in fact, telling.

Davis_X_Machina  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jul-18-10 11:58 AM
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2. She has, above all...

...the inestimable advantage of a.) working in a body where there is no filibuster, and b.) working in a body where the representatives are representative -- no two-senators-per-state.

Both of these make any Democratic Speaker look liberal in comparison to the country at large. O'Neil was able to do things to Reagan's attempt to start a war in Central America that George Mitchell couldn't do, even though both were from pretty liberal states themselves.

Sometimes a team looks good -- Colorado Rockies -- because of where they play.

Ain't that the truth.

backscatter712  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jul-18-10 12:03 PM
THE BACK-SCRATCHING PRIMITIVE
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7. Pelosi has grown on me tremendously.

I was pissed off at her because she refused to bring impeachment of W to a vote, though it's clear that's because she didn't have the votes, and even if the House did, the Senate wouldn't convict.

She knows how to play the game, and chose not to expend energy on a fight she couldn't win.

After that, she's shown that she knows how to rally the troops for the fights she can win, and she's whipped the House into shape.

All the problems with getting legislation through are because of the Senate - the same legislation cruises through the House without a hitch.

Pelosi is damned effective - I've grown to have a lot of respect for her.

EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jul-18-10 12:06 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Original message

8. Nancy Pelosi refused to have townhalls or meet with her constituents for years in the second Junior term. She behaved as if she was royalty and we were rabble. You can have her. I'd rather have an actual representative.

Uh, problem here.

Doug's stupid ex-wife used to live in Bela Pelosi's congressional district.

Doug's stupid ex-wife should find out who her current representative is.

left coaster  (678 posts)      Sun Jul-18-10 12:08 PM
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9. "a tough cookie" who is not to be ****ed with?

With all due respect, it's 2010 and language matters. Whether you realize it or not, referring to a strong, accomplished woman in a position of high political power as a "tough cookie", is sexist and unacceptable.

OmmmSweetOmmm  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jul-18-10 12:10 PM
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10. I don't think it's her instincts. She's up for re-election in a Liberal district, and must appear to have her "street cred" now. Once she's re-elected, and she will be, you'll see the old "off the table" Pelosi again.

[JohnnyReb]

Did you know that the speaker of the house "DOES NOT" have to be elected from among the members of the house....that's what I've read. Maybe we need an outsider in that job.

....and you know stinky the clown would do Nancy in a skinny minute if he could find "it". She's had so many facelifts it's not where it's supposed to be any more.

[BattleHymn]

"Neutral support"? 

How does that work?

[franksolich]

....and you know stinky the clown would do Nancy in a skinny minute if he could find "it".

The sparkling husband primitive's wife has been spending too much time with the horsey Mrs. Tutweiler down the street, and even going on a few trips with her, and so the sparkling husband primitive is lonely.

I think that's why, lately, the sparkling husband primitive has been the number one poster on Skins's island.

[Boudicca]

The sparkling husband primitive's wife has been spending too much time with the horsey Mrs. Tutweiler down the street, and even going on a few trips with her, and so the sparkling husband primitive is lonely.

I think that's why, lately, the sparkling husband primitive has been the number one poster on Skins's island.

Wait, what?!  Stinky is lonely?  What happened to the cat; did he eat it?
Sorry, this post was inspired by one of mine walking across my keyboard.  I'm never lonely with the cats and dogs at home with me.
Perhaps the cat displayed some self preservation instinct and bailed on the stinking clown.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Boudicca, with a set-up line like that...

But I'll resist the temptation, because this caught my eye first:

Davis_X_Machina  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jul-18-10 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #4
 
6. DU is above all things...

....dedicated to a future politics-without-politicians.

Yeah, you know, the dictatorship of the proletariat withers away, right?  Like it did in all those Communist countries back in the 20th Century... 

[Boudicca]

Boudicca, with a set-up line like that...

But I'll resist the temptation, because this caught my eye first:
 

Yeah, you know, the dictatorship of the proletariat withers away, right?  Like it did in all those Communist countries back in the 20th Century... 

 :thatsright:I wasn't deep enough in the gutter when I made that remark.  I'll try to do better henceforth.