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Offline dandi

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Abortion reduces crime
« on: July 17, 2010, 11:12:54 AM »
The abortion thing is not from the OP but rather the responses to an OP. The OP is about "Stop and Frisk" searches and their effectiveness, or lack thereof, in reducing crime:

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GreenStormCloud  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-12-10 11:54 AM
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52,000 Stop and Frisk Searches, Only 25 Guns Confiscated.
 http://thecrimereport.org/2010/07/12/52000-nyc-police-s... /
52,000 NYC Police Stops In One Area; Did They Reduce Crime?

Monday, July 12th, 2010 6:25 am

Police have made 52,000 stops in four years in an eight-block area of Brooklyn’s Brownsville area, says the New York Times. The encounters — most urgently meant to get guns off the streets — yield few arrests. Across the city, 6 percent of stops result in arrests. In Brownsville, the arrest rate is less than 1 percent. In the more than 50,000 stops since 2006, the police recovered 25 guns.

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I believe that progressive should be against such police-state tactics as the stop and frisk with no probable cause. But I would be willing to accept it if there were signifigant improvements in public safety. But only 25 illegal guns collected in over 52K stops does not demonstrate an increase in public safety that is worth such an intrusion into citizen's privacy.

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Recursion (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-12-10 12:06 PM
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3. Nationally crime is at a 50-year low
 We did that by incarcerating most young, poor males and having police tactics like this.

Your call whether that's worth it or not. I certainly don't want to go back to the level of violence of the early 90s.

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Recursion (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-12-10 12:38 PM
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11. IMO clearly the mass incarceration was a much bigger contributer
 (And though nobody likes talking about it, Roe v. Wade was an even bigger contributer.)

I guess I wasn't thinking specifically of stop-and-frisk as much as the more general "broken windows" attitude that has returned to police work since the early 90s.

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Statistical  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-12-10 12:54 PM
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15. Longer sentences & mainstream available abortion. You nailed it.
 Neither are very popular but violent repeat offenders will re-offend roughly 20-40 times per year IIRC last time looking at FBI stats.

So keeping 100,000 violent felons who would re-offend in jail for just 1 extra year reduced violent crime rate by roughly 20 million instances.

Obviously this isn't sustainable or cheap but it has "worked". Hell is we reduced sentences for non-violent offenders and decriminalized marijuana we likely could free up enough space to increase sentences for violent criminals (epecially recurring violent criminals) by even more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x328867#328870

Just think of those little bodies sucked into the Vaccu-Tainer as criminals just waiting to grow up. That'll make it go down easier.

 

 
 
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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2010, 11:16:17 AM »
hell if abortion reduces crime so does AIDS if we have more dead folks we have less potential criminals.  :mental:
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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2010, 11:20:51 AM »
Yeah, they're right.  If Obama's mom would have aborted him, we wouldn't have someone wiping their ass with our constitution.
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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2010, 11:32:39 AM »
How racist of them to say that abortion reduces crime?  Don't they know that most abortions are done by minorities?  So all those aborted minority children were destined to be criminals, huh.  Shut your cracker asses up, racists.
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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 11:34:31 AM »
Quote from: docstew on July 17, 2010, 11:32:39 AM
How racist of them to say that abortion reduces crime?  Don't they know that most abortions are done by minorities?  So all those aborted minority children were destined to be criminals, huh.  Shut your cracker asses up, racists.

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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 11:42:42 AM »
Quote from: docstew on July 17, 2010, 11:32:39 AM
How racist of them to say that abortion reduces crime?  Don't they know that most abortions are done by minorities?  So all those aborted minority children were destined to be criminals, huh.  Shut your cracker asses up, racists.
Not to mention the huge storm when William Bennett made a mention of this.  Of course, the DUmp thrives on lies and hypocrisy...
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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2010, 03:32:15 PM »
If baby daddy can't reproduce, who's going to carry on the family tradition?
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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2010, 04:08:18 PM »
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Recursion (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-12-10 12:38 PM
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11. IMO clearly the mass incarceration was a much bigger contributer
 (And though nobody likes talking about it, Roe v. Wade was an even bigger contributer.)

I guess I wasn't thinking specifically of stop-and-frisk as much as the more general "broken windows" attitude that has returned to police work since the early 90s.

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Statistical  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-12-10 12:54 PM
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15. Longer sentences & mainstream available abortion. You nailed it.
 Neither are very popular but violent repeat offenders will re-offend roughly 20-40 times per year IIRC last time looking at FBI stats.

So keeping 100,000 violent felons who would re-offend in jail for just 1 extra year reduced violent crime rate by roughly 20 million instances.

Obviously this isn't sustainable or cheap but it has "worked". Hell is we reduced sentences for non-violent offenders and decriminalized marijuana we likely could free up enough space to increase sentences for violent criminals (epecially recurring violent criminals) by even more.

So says the DUmp Department of Pre-Crime.  Personally, I prefer the old fashioned method of crime control: reverting scumbag DUmbasses to room temperature only once they're committed to committing the crime, preferrable with extreme force used by the intended victim.  That way I know I'm only burying criminals, and not catching the occasional re-incarnations of Booker T. Washington, Peter Salem, Prince Estebrook, or James Armistad in the crossfire.

It might also help if our "representatives" weren't responding to every major or minor "criminal epidemic" by interfering with the LEO's ability to bag bad guys under existing laws and contriving more laws to micromanage the lives of otherwise law-abiding people.
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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2010, 08:18:18 PM »
What if the person they aborted was supposed to be the next MLK, the person who was to inspire the poor enslaved on DEMOCRAT inner city plantations and lead them to the promised land the rest of us (including DUmmies) take for granted.

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Re: Abortion reduces crime
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2010, 03:21:28 AM »
Maybe some of them should learn what a condom is for and use it instead of abortion
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