Author Topic: The Changes Over Time (Read 3683 times)

Thor · « **on:** July 10, 2010, 08:59:27 AM »

I have Nexus Radio and have been listening to some of the 70s stations. It just boggles my mind as to how music has changed over the years. Squealing trumpets, a lot of brass back in the 70s, which required some talent. Nowadays, it's almost all electronically originated. I hate to say it, but it seems to me that we are listening to a bunch of no talent hacks when it comes to today's music. I'm sure the older folks said similar back in the 50s and 60s, though.

RightCoast · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2010, 09:32:12 AM »

Tuesday the 6th my wife and I saw Sting at Mohegan Sun in CT, instead of a band he used the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. Frackin' awesome, there was serious talent there, and they were doing mostly old Police stuff. Some of the solos were really amazing, I never know you could make a clarinet make those kinds of sounds. Highly recommend seeing it if the tour comes your way.

thundley4 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2010, 05:07:51 PM »

I listen to my MP3 player at work. I'm either listening to 70's rock, or a mix of country from the 60's through today. I have very few modern rock songs on my computer.

soleil · « **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2010, 06:55:59 PM »

I was a child of the 80's, and music has even changed a lot since then. I wonder if we will ever have as good of music as we had in the 60's and 70's. At least rock wise. All of my faves are from longer ago. Van Morrison is my fave these days (it changes up from time to time). I am a big fan of Queen, Allman Brothers, Beatles, Elvis, Stevie Ray Vaughan, etc. Just nothing like that these days.

Thor · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2010, 07:46:43 PM »

I listen to most music genres from classical to pop/ punk/ ska. It all hinges on my mood.

Zeus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2010, 08:11:54 PM »

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lr-gCMsAeM[/youtube]

SSG Snuggle Bunny · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2010, 08:48:11 PM »

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Chris_ · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2010, 09:25:24 PM »

I have an online radio station set up with different decades and genres that I like to listen to. When it comes to 50's and 60's music, I prefer pop and a few crooners like Bobby Vinton, but I don't have a lot of interest in Motown unless it's something upbeat like a Jerry Lee Lewis cover of a Ray Charles song. I like 80's pop music and some surf and rock music like the Doors, and there's the always-present metal channels for groups like Slayer and Megadeth.

soleil · « **Reply #8 on:** July 10, 2010, 10:32:19 PM »

Quote from: chris_ on July 10, 2010, 09:25:24 PM

I have an online radio station set up with different decades and genres that I like to listen to. When it comes to 50's and 60's music, I prefer pop and a few crooners like Bobby Vinton, but I don't have a lot of interest in Motown unless it's something upbeat like a Jerry Lee Lewis cover of a Ray Charles song. I like 80's pop music and some surf and rock music like the Doors, and there's the always-present metal channels for groups like Slayer and Megadeth.

See? I could listen to Motown all day. Love love love it. And I'd have to hurt Jerry Lee Lewis touching anything Ray Charles.

My husband likes some of that heavy stuff. It makes me want to reach for earplugs. There is truly something out there for everyone. It is intresting to hear other people's tastes.

Chris_ · « **Reply #9 on:** July 10, 2010, 10:38:45 PM »

I hear Ray Charles performing "What'd I Say" and it makes me want to hear Jerry's piano instead of Ray's electric organ.
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Check out Pandora.com. It's free, but it does have a few commercials if you don't go with the $40 annual membership.

Eupher · « **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2010, 10:38:47 PM »

Uh, Thor, I object somewhat to your use of the term "squealing" when referring to the sound of the trumpet. The instrument is not played by a bunch of oinkers (last I checked, anyway).

Screaming might be more like it:

Screaming Trumpets

longview · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2010, 02:55:36 AM »

I like lots of different music. Old, new, African, country. Went on a Slightly Stoopid and Kings of Leon kick a while back. Really like a Polish Blues group, Pub Taj.
Congolese Gospel. One of my kids was a sound tech for Christian hip hop, before she figured out she needed some college to go with that. So I listened to some of that. There's a lot of good music out there.

Youtube is my friend.

Thor · « **Reply #12 on:** July 11, 2010, 04:44:58 PM »

Quote from: Eupher on July 10, 2010, 10:38:47 PM

Uh, Thor, I object somewhat to your use of the term "squealing" when referring to the sound of the trumpet. The instrument is not played by a bunch of oinkers (last I checked, anyway).

Screaming might be more like it:

Screaming Trumpets

OK, OK............ screaming..........( actually one term used was "screech"..."and Lin Biviano was the ultimate "screech" player with Buddy Rich and Count Basie during the 1970's.") MY point was is that is seems as if there's little more than no talent hacks trying to entertain us with electronically simulated music, with few exceptions, any more. At least some of the 60s & 70s music had some talent. (e.g. Chicago, Earth Wind and Fire, etc)

Carl · « **Reply #13 on:** July 11, 2010, 04:56:39 PM »

Music of the late 60s and 70s was an incredible mix.
My favorite group is still the Bee Gees and that goes back to their pre and post disco days (flame away like I give a crap).
I have CDs with AC/DC,Journey,Jethro Tull,Styx,ABBA,Carpenters,ELO,Stylistics,Dio,Jim Croce,Ozzie and the list goes on in the truck to listen to.

Something was lost as music progressed into the 90s and later and think rap had a lot to do with it.
It isn`t music and is just plain lazy and gave rise to "artists" that can`t really carry a tune or do anything more then dance around to a studio engineered few note song.

My opinion fwiw.

Eupher · « **Reply #14 on:** July 11, 2010, 08:01:08 PM »

Quote from: Thor on July 11, 2010, 04:44:58 PM

OK, OK............ screaming..........( actually one term used was "screech"..."and Lin Biviano was the ultimate "screech" player with Buddy Rich and Count Basie during the 1970's.") MY point was is that is seems as if there's little more than no talent hacks trying to entertain us with electronically simulated music, with few exceptions, any more. At least some of the 60s & 70s music had some talent. (e.g. Chicago, Earth Wind and Fire, etc)

Your point is well taken and I share your pain. Being an instrumentalist, I've learned to play only one instrument at a time. We've gotta compete with samplers, synthesizers, keyboards, computers, and all manner of overlays and overdubs. It just ain't right!

Remember the days of "Direct to Disc?" Now that was a challenge. A recording these days is an exercise in editing rather than playing a piece top to bottom perfectly.

Oh, and Lin Biviano had a lot of chops but he lacked one hell of a lot of accuracy.

And he had problems even reading as is evidenced in a YouTube that I can't find, but this one is interesting.....

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sak6dQ6yRHg[/youtube]

IassaFTots · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2010, 08:23:48 AM »

Quote from: Carl on July 11, 2010, 04:56:39 PM

Music of the late 60s and 70s was an incredible mix.
My favorite group is still the Bee Gees and that goes back to their pre and post disco days (flame away like I give a crap).
I have CDs with AC/DC,Journey,Jethro Tull,Styx,ABBA,Carpenters,ELO,Stylistics,Dio,Jim Croce,Ozzie and the list goes on in the truck to listen to.

Something was lost as music progressed into the 90s and later and think rap had a lot to do with it.
It isn`t music and is just plain lazy and gave rise to "artists" that can`t really carry a tune or do anything more then dance around to a studio engineered few note song.

My opinion fwiw.

Dude! I have BeeGee's Greatest Hits in my CAR!

I agree about the 90's being pivotal in how music progressed but I don't think it was all rap, please consider Grunge, and the proliferance of pop-y boy bands as well.

Eupher · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2010, 08:30:53 AM »

Quote from: Carl on July 11, 2010, 04:56:39 PM

Something was lost as music progressed into the 90s and later and think rap had a lot to do with it.
It isn`t music and is just plain lazy and gave rise to "artists" that can`t really carry a tune or do anything more then dance around to a studio engineered few note song.

My opinion fwiw.

I could not agree more. So-called "popular" music these days isn't popular for me, although some newer jazz artists have both the skills and the heart to put out some great recordings.

I ignore that garbage known as rap and hip hop. Any moron can shriek at the top of his voice in something that approximates a rhythm.

Doc · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2010, 04:44:30 PM »

Quote from: Eupher on July 12, 2010, 08:30:53 AM

I could not agree more. So-called "popular" music these days isn't popular for me, although some newer jazz artists have both the skills and the heart to put out some great recordings.

I ignore that garbage known as rap and hip hop. Any moron can shriek at the top of his voice in something that approximates a rhythm.

I lost interest in "contemporary" music when I stopped hearing brass and woodwind sections in "bands"........sorry, but a set of traps, two guitars, and a keyboard ain't a "band"......

doc

THA HOUSTON PIMP IS IN DA HOUZ! · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2010, 05:07:42 PM »

Yeah, being 47 means that I loathe the garbage in music nowadays. I have 3 separate MP3 players; one with all Beatles, one with classic rock from 60's/70's/80's, and another from classic 70's funk like Parliament/Bar Kays/Cameo, etc..

Music today blows.

soleil · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2010, 05:40:44 PM »

Quote from: THA HOUSTON PIMP IS IN DA HOUZ! on July 12, 2010, 05:07:42 PM

Yeah, being 47 means that I loathe the garbage in music nowadays. I have 3 separate MP3 players; one with all Beatles, one with classic rock from 60's/70's/80's, and another from classic 70's funk like Parliament/Bar Kays/Cameo, etc..

Music today blows.

I got to get on stage with George Clinton and the P-Funk! Fun times! He is a nut! He let about 15 people get on stage with him. I am guessing this is something he does a lot? Anyway, he was playing at a local festival here, and I never miss an opportunity to be the "band slut" as we call it! (not a real band slut, like a groupie, but I will be front and center if I can be!!)

vesta111 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2010, 06:32:51 PM »

Quote from: Doc on July 12, 2010, 04:44:30 PM

I lost interest in "contemporary" music when I stopped hearing brass and woodwind sections in "bands"........sorry, but a set of traps, two guitars, and a keyboard ain't a "band"......

doc

DOC, I beg to differ with you here, back in the 60'-70' there was one band I can think of that used both the drum, guitar, keyboard, singer and became a legion. My very first rock concert was in Hawaii in 1970, The Doors.

Such a shame that Jim did not live long enough to take his music and back it up with a brass and string section.

By the way New Years Eve in 2004 we got a package deal at a local Hotel the food, room for the night and a live band. We had no idea what band was playing only that it was live .

To our complete amazement when we entered the ball room we found out the band was The Spectra's, they had been playing for 40 years at that time.

Best New Years Eve Party I have ever been to. One sax and perhaps a clarinet, a trombone , trumpet the guitar,drums, keyboard and a couple of singers that also played instruments off and on..

They took down the house. They started out with a few tunes from the 70's and went up the line of the years They mish mashed the music, one was disco, another Chicago, some Santera, a bit of Skinard etc. The Bar did not do allot of business that night, at no time were there less then 3 dozen people on the floor and a time or two seemed like everyone in the place was out there Moven and Groven.

Back to the 4-5 man bands, I believe it is the key boardest that makes or breaks a band, Iron Butterfly for one, and Jim would have gone no where without his brilliant key boardest.

Then you have Boston, Enya, Lanore McKennit, only 2 singers I ever heard that sounds good with just himself was Roy Clark and Jonny Cash.

Thor · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2010, 10:50:11 PM »

Apprently Vesta never heard of Rick Wakeman and Yes.........

Iron Butterfly was pretty much a one hit wonder. They put out an album or two, but the only tune they ever did that made the charts was Inna Gadda Da Vida.

I kind of liked disco, especially when it had horns in it. Hell, I have my doubts as to whether or not some of these pop singers can actually sing since a good many of them have their voices manipulated electronically.

BTW, DOC, Glenn Miller and Tommy Dorsey are a couple of my favs, too. Eupher knows why. Us brass players also have this "thing" against male woodwind players......

Doc · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2010, 12:32:10 PM »

Quote from: Thor on July 12, 2010, 10:50:11 PM

Apparently Vesta never heard of Rick Wakeman and Yes.........

I kind of liked disco, especially when it had horns in it. Hell, I have my doubts as to whether or not some of these pop singers can actually sing since a good many of them have their voices manipulated electronically.

BTW, DOC, Glenn Miller and Tommy Dorsey are a couple of my favs, too. Eupher knows why. Us brass players also have this "thing" against male woodwind players......

Yeah, Eupher and I had a conversation about this some time ago as a brass player myself, as well as a pianist, I'm sorta jaded that way. As far as male woodwind players are concerned, I don't have a problem with that to any extent, Bennie Goodman was one of my favorites.

Waaaaay back in Jr. High School, our band director decided that I would make a good Sousaphone player.......I wasn't, hell, I couldn't even carry the damn thing......then when I was a freshman in HS, our school board wisely hired a guy named Rodney Polson as the band/music director, who had allegedly in his youth played with the Glenn Miller band, he took one look at me, handed me a trombone, and never looked back. I was "first chair" by the end of my sophomore year. Instead of the usual HS fare, we played a lot of the "Big Band" arrangements, and really enjoyed the hell out of it. I can still hear him yelling at me "......Doc, quit "playing in the mud........I want to hear a 'bell tone' from that horn".........

"Bands" as I interpret them, carried pretty well through the rock years of the fifties, and sixties, and into the disco era as you mentioned, but with the advent of "metal", I was history, and forget "rap"......that isn't music by any definition.

Then came the synthesizer, and I switched to mostly jazz. To me, an oscillator is an oscillator........not an instrument.......regardless of how much digital manipulation you subject it to, a series of "oscillators" is never going to replace the nuance that an artist can create from an actual instrument.......

Guess I'm old fashioned......

doc

Eupher · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2010, 01:46:53 PM »

I started out playing French horn in much the same way that Doc described. Band director was a freakin' clarinet player, for Chrissakes. That lasted about two months not because I couldn't hold the damned thing but because dragging it back and forth on foot or on a bicycle was a major PITA.

When I was going to drop band, the director freaked a little bit (kinda surprised me) and offered another horn. I pointed to an extendaphone for no other reason than dragging the damned thing home was doable on the handlebars of a bicycle.

Then I taught myself how to play euph. That was the beginning of the end.....

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