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primitives discuss bad news
« on: July 09, 2010, 06:43:30 PM »
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Mimosa  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 04:47 PM
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Democratic Poll Has Grim News for Party, Obama

Democracy Corps, a polling firm run by Democratic operatives http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2010/06/national... >James Carville and Stanley Greenberg, put out its latest findings today, and they should have party leaders reaching for the antacids. The news is almost uniformly bad for Democrats just four months ahead of the next election.

As the authors note in their overview: “With the recovery barely visible and Democrats still behind on the economy, progressives should not seek a mandate based on their performance, but on their advocacy for ordinary people versus Wall Street and on where they want to take the country.”

That’s another way of saying that the only thing that polled worse than the Democrats was Wall Street (30%-42%). The poll put the right track-wrong track numbers for the country at 32%-61%, the worst they have been since President Obama took office.

The poll gave Republicans a 48%-42% advantage in the generic congressional ballot. It found Democrats trailing Republicans on key economic issues including jobs (42%-38%), the overall economy (44%-39%) and the deficit (43%-30%). A majority (50%-43%) also favors tax cuts over “more investment,” i.e., more federal spending.

Read more: http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/3...

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The poll questions are in a PDF here:

http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2010/06/national... /

They are definitely not push/pull. It's all about the economy. I hope Dem candidates will study the economic issues. What can they do to make jobs happen?

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Doremus  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 04:53 PM
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3. I believe this poll as much as I believe James Carville is a good Democrat.

Which is to say I don't believe a word it says.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-08-10 04:56 PM
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7. I'm a little skeptical but we all know what the conservative noise machine and corporate news have been dinning into the heads of people who aren't particularly engaged in finding out what's really going on in the world.

I think there will be some surprises on both sides of the aisle.

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Warren DeMontague  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-08-10 06:39 PM
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56. This poll has a majority of people with warm and fuzzies for anti-choice groups.

That flies in the face of every single statistical analysis of the past 20 years, which have overwhelming shown a majority of Americans to be Pro-Choice.

I call bullshit.

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ProSense  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-08-10 04:56 PM
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5. One poll. Also Investor's Business Daily is a wingnut paper. 

ultra wingnut

Can't get past that.

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kirby (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 05:01 PM
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8. How accurate can this be?

What type of poll asks to pick a number from 0 to 100 to express your feelings. That is so subjective from person to person. You will get more extremist views answering at the extremes of 100 or 0. To me this poll more heavily weights the extremes.

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Radical Activist  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-08-10 05:05 PM
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13. The polls shows that Congressional Democrats are much less popular than Obama.

That should tell us something. People are angry that Congress isn't passing the agenda they voted for in '08. The US Senate's insistence on stopping, stalling and watering down Obama's agenda is alienating the public. The Republican obstructionist strategy is working.

If Congressional Democrats want to get re-elected then they need to act on the rest of Obama's mandate, especially solving climate change.

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avaistheone1  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jul-08-10 06:10 PM
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45. Obama's catering to the Republicans in the name of bipartisanship

his most effective in watering himself down.

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geek tragedy  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 05:08 PM
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17. In other words, voters are stupid.

Yeah, they're already back to wanting Republicans in charge.

This country is ungovernable.

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thereismore  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 05:34 PM
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30. People have no memory and are sooo stupid it hurts! Democracy doesn't work with stupid electorate.

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Rex (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 06:42 PM
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60. Well I was going to read the article, but it mentions James Carville and I have no faith in anything he says nowadays. If current history has shown anything, it is that Dems will win EVEN bigger when people doom and gloom about upcoming elections.

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DatManFromNawlins (580 posts)       Fri Jul-09-10 01:53 AM
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89. If I had to guess...

... most of the deniers here either live in liberal enclaves, or they have filled so much of their time reading leftist sites and watching leftist media that they aren't really in touch with the average American mindset regarding these things. While the economy is a mix of issues, mostly ones that Obama has inherited, the reality of the matter is that Democrats have held Congress since 2006 and have had a monopoly of power in the White House and Congress since early 2009. It doesn't help matters when the White House puts spin on things like job reports. If things aren't going the way people want, then they're going to want to shake things up, and that means kicking some Democratic incumbents out of office. It's just the way the world works.

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EnviroBat  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-09-10 03:42 PM
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112. It's starting to smell to me like many of these polls are suddenly appearing out of nowhere. This will make a stolen election look less suspicious come November.

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bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-09-10 05:06 PM
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128. Yet, when we have been saying this, we are vilified.

"progressives should not seek a mandate based on their performance, but on their advocacy for ordinary people versus Wall Street and on where they want to take the country.”

Some of us have been saying this for a very long time... both ordinary DU posters, and higher profile people like Thom Hartmann.

And what have we gotten in return?

That what we have to say is "retarded".

So, good luck, chumps. You've brought it on yourself with your own arrogance.

At the expense of the good of the nation.

SHAME!

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Arkana  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-09-10 07:18 PM
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139. This poll encourages a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It prophesies doom and gloom, Democrats get discouraged and figure "what's the point?" and the sky really DOES fall.
apres moi, le deluge

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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 06:57:51 PM »
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geek tragedy  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 05:08 PM
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17. In other words, voters are stupid.

Yeah, they're already back to wanting Republicans in charge.

This country is ungovernable

17: If you want to be blunt about it, yes. However, I would just say the majority of the country was sold a bunch of groceriis they didn't know were all stale/rotten/disgusting until they got home.

Republicans: Why do you think that is, primitiave? Look around. When you wake up from your stupor, (if you ever do) you'll be horrified at what you see presently, and you'll be horrified at what you see coming.

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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 07:35:53 PM »
If memory serves IBD called the last two presidential elections statistics very close.  The DUmmies can say whatever they want, but unlike them, investors don't tolerate smoke being blown up their rears.  IBD wouldn't exist if they didn't try very hard to accurately report information to their target audience
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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2010, 07:47:59 PM »
It's at +68 recs! :lmao:
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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2010, 07:55:34 PM »
BTW, something the OP at DU didn't cite that was in Carville's poll? this result:

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http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/230874/55-percent-likely-voters-find-socialist-accurate-label-obama

On “too liberal,” 35 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 21 percent say “well,” 21 percent say “not too well,” and 17 percent say “not well at all.” In other words, 56 percent of likely voters consider Obama too liberal.

When asked about “a socialist,” 33 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 22 percent say “well,” 15 percent say “not too well,” and 25 percent say “not well at all.”

In other words, 55 percent of likely voters think “socialist” is a reasonably accurate way of describing Obama.
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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 08:07:32 PM »
While the primitives are discussing bad news, normal Americans are having to live it because fools like the primitives are screwed up when it comes to politicians and policy matters.

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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 03:11:29 AM »
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thereismore  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 05:34 PM
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30. People have no memory and are sooo stupid it hurts! Democracy doesn't work with stupid electorate.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 08:49:50 AM »
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Radical Activist  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-08-10 05:05 PM
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13. The polls shows that Congressional Democrats are much less popular than Obama.

That should tell us something. People are angry that Congress isn't passing the agenda they voted for in '08. The US Senate's insistence on stopping, stalling and watering down Obama's agenda is alienating the public. The Republican obstructionist strategy is working.

If Congressional Democrats want to get re-elected then they need to act on the rest of Obama's mandate, especially solving climate change.

Hey dipshit Obama's mandate (as you call it) has killed enough jobs. Do you really think people want more jobs lost right now?
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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 09:14:57 AM »
What planet are these people on?
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2010, 09:24:28 AM »
What planet are these people on?

Obama cut NASA's budget and changed their mission so we couldn't find out.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2010, 09:41:30 AM »
Obama cut NASA's budget and changed their mission so we couldn't find out.

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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2010, 10:04:47 AM »
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EnviroBat  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-09-10 03:42 PM
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112. It's starting to smell to me like many of these polls are suddenly appearing out of nowhere. This will make a stolen election look less suspicious come November.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2010, 10:09:41 AM »
Nice find, Jim.

These fools wouldn't take responsibility for something if they got drunk, tripped over their own feet, and fell down the stairs.

"Damn stair was too steep. I think I broke my ankle. I want a handout!"

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2010, 10:15:05 AM »
Nice find, Jim.

These fools wouldn't take responsibility for something if they got drunk, tripped over their own feet, and fell down the stairs.

"Damn stair was too steep. I think I broke my ankle. I want a handout!"

 :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WARNING SIGN!!!!

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Re: primitives discuss bad news
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2010, 12:36:12 PM »
Wonder how they'll spin the stolen election meme if pubbies win in a landslide. And then I'd like to see President Palin just to watch the exploding heads and suicide threats.

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geek tragedy  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-08-10 05:08 PM
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17. In other words, voters are stupid.

Yeah, they're already back to wanting Republicans in charge.

This country is ungovernable.
Please, please, please DUmmy, run with that meme...
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