poll: how much longer for the Age of Aquarius?

[franksolich]

While reading all of the economic news--both domestic and international--it's apparent that the sun is setting on the primitives' lavish lifestyles as supported by the taxpayers; that the Age of Aquarius is winding down.

The Age of Aquarius began circa 1975, give or take a year either way, arising from the self-destruction of Watergate, bringing with it a whole new class of political leaders still currently in office (think: Bela Pelosi) but rapidly ageing.

It ushered in all sorts of rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul social programs, and an enormously large class utterly dependent upon the governmental teat, from inner-city minorities to get-rich-quick white Democrats.

By 1980, everything on the hippie agenda of the 1960s was either law, or at least socially tolerated.

Well, the crumbling's obvious now; an angry electorate, cutbacks in social programs.

In robbing Peter to pay Paul, both Peter and Paul were grievously impoverished.

I suspect that within two years, the whole entire political, social, and economic landscape of the country will be utterly different from what it is now.

I have no idea what it will be, but it's not going to be anything like the Age of Aquarius.

[Ballygrl]

While reading all of the economic news--both domestic and international--it's apparent that the sun is setting on the primitives' lavish lifestyles as supported by the taxpayers; that the Age of Aquarius is winding down.

The Age of Aquarius began circa 1975, give or take a year either way, arising from the self-destruction of Watergate, bringing with it a whole new class of political leaders still currently in office (think: Bela Pelosi) but rapidly ageing.

It ushered in all sorts of rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul social programs, and an enormously large class utterly dependent upon the governmental teat, from inner-city minorities to get-rich-quick white Democrats.

By 1980, everything on the hippie agenda of the 1960s was either law, or at least socially tolerated.

Well, the crumbling's obvious now; an angry electorate, cutbacks in social programs.

In robbing Peter to pay Paul, both Peter and Paul were grievously impoverished.

I suspect that within two years, the whole entire political, social, and economic landscape of the country will be utterly different from what it is now.

I have no idea what it will be, but it's not going to be anything like the Age of Aquarius.

I can't vote Frank because I don't have much faith in the Republicans, I want them to win just to win, but they're going to have to work hard to win me totally back, even if they become the majority again I can't really trust them not to fall all over Obama and help him implement things that would be destructive to the Country. When you have people like Collins, Snowe, Graham, Hatch and even McCain willing to give in and not fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party ie conservatism, let's just say my attitude is "show me what you've got" and "I'll believe it when I see it".

Michael Savage brought up a good point last week that I've seen no 1 address, he was talking about the confirmation hearings on Kagen, and in particular the question by Graham asking Kagen what she did on Christmas, his theory was Graham was given his orders to make Kagen look "human" instead of a radical, and I agree with that.

[Duchess]

I can't vote Frank because I don't have much faith in the Republicans, I want them to win just to win, but they're going to have to work hard to win me totally back, even if they become the majority again I can't really trust them not to fall all over Obama and help him implement things that would be destructive to the Country. When you have people like Collins, Snowe, Graham, Hatch and even McCain willing to give in and not fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party ie conservatism, let's just say my attitude is "show me what you've got" and I'll believe it when I see it.

Michael Savage brought up a good point last week that I've seen no 1 address, he was talking about the confirmation hearings on Kagen, and in particular the question by Graham asking Kagen what she did on Christmas, his theory was Graham was given his orders to make Kagen look "human" instead of a radical, and I agree with that. 

I agree Ballygrl, I think politics can only do so much and anyway at least half the time I'm cynical enough about politicians to think they're two sides of a coin, or in it for gain.

I don't know if the "Age of Aquarius" is coming to a close or if there ever really was one or what, but I think there's an "age" or era coming down the pike that will make whatever came before look like a kindergarden picnic to all political persuasions, but only after they've been convinced that the "New World Order" of universal brotherhood and peace, and unanimity of government and religion had been ushered in. People will be in for a big surprise, unfortunately. A big surprise.

[Mike220]

About 3 years ago, I predicted 7-10 years. But this was before the rise of the Messiah and the economic crash that we could see coming but (at least I) didn't realize would be this bad. But the events of the last couple years have forced me to become much more pessimistic about such things. The primacy given to "us versus them" domestic policies espoused by the socialist left have accelerated the curve downwards precipitously. Factor in the spend-a-thon of the left and you've cut the brake cables. It's one of the fundamental facts of life (therefore rejected by the DUmmies and their ilk) that you can't borrow and spend your way out of debt. Eventually the bank says "no more, and by the way, time to pay up." China won't put up with our spending for too much longer. Even the Swedes, those masters of the welfare state are looking at us and going "what the **** are y'all doing?"

Then there's pissing off our closest allies. If we keep yanking around Britain, Poland, Israel and now Georgia, we're going to have no friends that will help us out when we need it. The DUmmies say we should be more open to our non-traditional neighbors, but they hate us. Syria, Iran, the Norks? They'll never like us, no matter how much we repudiate the Israelis, the South Koreans or whoever. So why are we playing like we're trying to be buddy/buddy?

Maybe 2010/2012 will halt the slide. Maybe not. Probably not at this point. But who knows. I've been surprised before.

[franksolich]

I don't know if the "Age of Aquarius" is coming to a close or if there ever really was one or what, but I think there's an "age" or era coming down the pike that will make whatever came before look like a kindergarten picnic to all political persuasions, but only after they've been convinced that the "New World Order" of universal brotherhood and peace, and unanimity of government and religion had been ushered in. People will be in for a big surprise, unfortunately. A big surprise.

What's always amused me about the primitives is their delusion that they're "rebels," "anti-establishment," against "the man"--without seeing they HAVE been the "establishment" the past 35 years.

To still believe the "establishment" is as it once was, a WASP-dominated society, makes as much sense as believing Colonel McCormick's claims in the 1930s and 1940s that the British wanted to take over America; it's all so quaintly 20th-centuryish.

In other words, the primitives have been beating up on a corpse dead at least the past 35 years.

This side is, and has been, the "rebels," the "counter-culture," "anti-establishment," for years and years now.

[Duchess]

What's always amused me about the primitives is their delusion that they're "rebels," "anti-establishment," against "the man"--without seeing they HAVE been the "establishment" the past 35 years.

To still believe the "establishment" is as it once was, a WASP-dominated society, makes as much sense as believing Colonel McCormick's claims in the 1930s and 1940s that the British wanted to take over America; it's all so quaintly 20th-centuryish.

In other words, the primitives have been beating up on a corpse dead at least the past 35 years.

This side is, and has been, the "rebels," the "counter-culture," "anti-establishment," for years and years now.

This is true, and I'm sure the true powers behind the left are perfectly aware of this, but of course it wouldn't serve their purposes to ever admit it, and wouldn't more easily enable them to point fingers at the opposition in order to impress upon those whose votes they want that they're still the victims of "the man".


Though I have wondered-hope I don't get stoned for this-if there aren't some on the right who play this game from the other direction. I believe in all the principles of conservatism and the right with all my heart, but I don't necessarily believe in all of those who espouse these principles to one degree or the other in their quest for political power.I mean, I think many of the things we worry are threatening America are real, but I wonder if they believe it, or if they care, if they do believe it, considering themselves part of some "elite"-along with their colleagues on the left-who will be insulated from all the bad to come, if they can just keep all the balls in the air long enough. It's especially noticeable in British politics.

[GOP Congress]

Quite simple: The next Congress, not just GOP but conservative/libertarian, will have to take over the government so they can give it back to the people again. If they don't do that, we are in trouble. Serious trouble.

But even if they take it over, it must be a constant effort to maintain the re-transformation.

It can be done; hell, it HAS to be done as we are at a point where "moderate" politics is now so plainly exposed as communist-lite. In fact, I'd take the 'lite" part out of it, for anything less than a true, vigorous adherence to America's constitutional values is, by definition, an appeasement to socialism.

This will be very painful for a lot of people, but it must be done. The DUmpster will actually be our "canary in the mine" with regard to how this will occur. (Insert prison slang term for pedophile here) and his new rules are the first chirp of such a canary.

[BlueStateSaint]

I said that it's a ways away yet.  The leftists will not go quietly or peacefully away.  We're in for some rough times, I'm afraid.  Bloody ones.

[Carl]

States are for the most part broke and between them and the local governments they will try to raise every tax and fee possible to cover the shortfall in social programs.
That will prolong things for at least a year before some amount of dismantling of social programs and public employee numbers/benefits will have to take place.

I am with you Frank in that I can`t see any sense of sustainability to what is now the status quo thanks to the porkulus bill that poured billions down rat holes with no chance of any economic gain.

I am inclined to think though it might be longer then the 1-2 years I voted but neither would I say quite a ways off either.

What began more or less with Carter will end by his equally idiotic and incompetent successor.

[zeitgeist]

States are for the most part broke and between them and the local governments they will try to raise every tax and fee possible to cover the shortfall in social programs.
That will prolong things for at least a year before some amount of dismantling of social programs and public employee numbers/benefits will have to take place.

I am with you Frank in that I can`t see any sense of sustainability to what is now the status quo thanks to the porkulus bill that poured billions down rat holes with no chance of any economic gain.

I am inclined to think though it might be longer then the 1-2 years I voted but neither would I say quite a ways off either.

What began more or less with Carter LBJ will end by his equally idiotic and incompetent successor.

Fixed

Anybody out there ever actually have to prime a hand well pump?  There was a great folk song by the Kingston Trio IIRC about priming the pump which has the line you have to leave some for the next guy.

Yep.  Kingston Trio Desert Pete lyrics here>

[zeitgeist]

Oops forgot to post my vote.  Six months or less.  Things are picking up speed going into the fall election IMHO.  Taxpayers are at a breaking point.  Hopefully the final fall will be bloodless but there are no guarantees.

[DumbAss Tanker]

There will be a big political change this year and in two years, but there is a tremendous amount of inertia in all those Aquarian social programs and the legal steps necessary to change them would require not just a majority, but political dominance, to achieve.  Lacking that, it's like trying to stop a hundred-car coal train or steer a supertanker, it takes a very long time for the control inputs to have any visible effect. 

[zeitgeist]

There will be a big political change this year and in two years, but there is a tremendous amount of inertia in all those Aquarian social programs and the legal steps necessary to change them would require not just a majority, but political dominance, to achieve.  Lacking that, it's like trying to stop a hundred-car coal train or steer a supertanker, it takes a very long time for the control inputs to have any visible effect. 

When you pull up a few feet of track or poke a hole in the hull things go HWAC (hell west and crooked)real fast.    

[Randy]

There will be a big political change this year and in two years, but there is a tremendous amount of inertia in all those Aquarian social programs and the legal steps necessary to change them would require not just a majority, but political dominance, to achieve.  Lacking that, it's like trying to stop a hundred-car coal train or steer a supertanker, it takes a very long time for the control inputs to have any visible effect. 

But first you have to have a Captain or Engineer who knows when and how to use the controls to bring it all to a halt.

[miskie]

Im a bit conflicted by this question and poll - Frank, I "Think" you are referring to this 60's era liberalism that we have been suffering from, but the actual Age of Aquarius in regard to the zodiac is a bit of a mystery - what everyone agrees on is that each age is 2150 years long - but when they begin or end is a major sticking point. Some say the Aqarian age began around 1850, others about 1950, and others still feel were are in the last days of the Age of Pisces - ending something like 2020..

Presuming it is the former - my answer isn't on the poll - things the hippies of the 60's promised was sexual and racial equality, as well as personal responsibility and freedom from excessive government intrusion into our personal lives. -- A very Libertarian sort of society =  If this still holds true - then the 'Original' hippy dream is about to come to fruition because of the TEA Partiers.

Smaller Government.
Less Taxes.

[franksolich]

There will be a big political change this year and in two years, but there is a tremendous amount of inertia in all those Aquarian social programs and the legal steps necessary to change them would require not just a majority, but political dominance, to achieve.  Lacking that, it's like trying to stop a hundred-car coal train or steer a supertanker, it takes a very long time for the control inputs to have any visible effect. 

That's very true, sir.

By the time Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 the establishment was so well in place even he couldn't do much other than discombobulate the establishment a little bit here-and-there. 

One has plenty of memories of Tipsy O'Neill and Vast Teddy obstructing, delaying, crippling, all the good that Reagan was trying to do.  Reagan was a great president, a great leader, but in the end, he wasn't strong enough to dislodge the establishment; all he could do was swipe a few scraps of something here-and-there.

Ditto for the first and second George Bushes.

Thus proving my theory, developed way back when I was in college, that establishments are overthrown only by their own internal forces, never by external ones. 

And so if one is anti-establishment, which decent and civilized people are, all one can do, really, is sit back, watch, and wait, until a particular force or phenomenon has spent itself, and then pick up the pieces.

"Ages" and "eras" have limited time-spans, and it's obvious the Age of Aquarius is near the end of its rope, with which it will hang itself.

[Duchess]

There will be a big political change this year and in two years, but there is a tremendous amount of inertia in all those Aquarian social programs and the legal steps necessary to change them would require not just a majority, but political dominance, to achieve.  Lacking that, it's like trying to stop a hundred-car coal train or steer a supertanker, it takes a very long time for the control inputs to have any visible effect. 

Not only do I agree with you, but I'd go further in saying that I believe it has already passed the point where full correction can be made to the course of this ship of state. I think the best we can do is perhaps slow the tide. I subscribe to Margaret Thatcher's "ratchet effect", in which the right is never able to fully recover course after a bout of power from the left. People who are only fiscal conservatives as opposed to also being social conservatives might disagree with me. But just think of what was accepted in society as recently as under President Reagan and what we have come to accept since. Desensitisation can't be undone.

[ardentconservative]

I can't vote Frank because I don't have much faith in the Republicans, I want them to win just to win, but they're going to have to work hard to win me totally back, even if they become the majority again I can't really trust them not to fall all over Obama and help him implement things that would be destructive to the Country. When you have people like Collins, Snowe, Graham, Hatch and even McCain willing to give in and not fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party ie conservatism, let's just say my attitude is "show me what you've got" and "I'll believe it when I see it".

 I agree with you 100%.  For years the GOP has been running on Reagan conservatism, winning on Reagan conservativizm, but didn't live Reagan conservativism.  Then the people got tired and voted them out of office.  I still maintain that the election of Obama was simply the people voting against rino Republicans that said one thing and did another. 

Another thing that I have said for years is the the Democrats, at least the power brokers of the Democratic party, are nothing but left wing Marxists, while the Republicans, at least the power brokers, are gutless wonders that stand for nothing and fall for anything.

[AllosaursRus]

This is true, and I'm sure the true powers behind the left are perfectly aware of this, but of course it wouldn't serve their purposes to ever admit it, and wouldn't more easily enable them to point fingers at the opposition in order to impress upon those whose votes they want that they're still the victims of "the man".


Though I have wondered-hope I don't get stoned for this-if there aren't some on the right who play this game from the other direction. I believe in all the principles of conservatism and the right with all my heart, but I don't necessarily believe in all of those who espouse these principles to one degree or the other in their quest for political power.I mean, I think many of the things we worry are threatening America are real, but I wonder if they believe it, or if they care, if they do believe it, considering themselves part of some "elite"-along with their colleagues on the left-who will be insulated from all the bad to come, if they can just keep all the balls in the air long enough. It's especially noticeable in British politics.

Lookin' at the conservative Tea Party movement, I think perhaps they're startin' to get a frikkin' clue. If the congress critters in DC can't figure out we're out of ****in' money and continue to spend, no matter what party they are, we're screwed, period.

It will take some sort of revolution to put the car back on the tracks. I'm not sayin' a violent revolutiom, but a revolution in the way that it will have to get the back benchers to actually take a stand. Perhaps even gettin' off their ass and votin' for the first time in 20 years and gettin' involved more than once in their entire lives!

I know of people like this. The left did it during the last presidential election. Otherwise, Bummer would never even have won a primary! All ya have to do is visit YouTube to find out none of them, or at least the majority, didn't have a single idea what his policies were, but they hit the polls for the first time in their miserable lives!

Obanana's Stash, my ass!

[PatriotGame]

The Age of Aquarius died when the hippies' weed ran out. As long as the immoral hippies remained stoned out of their gourds, the astrological utopia they fantasized over remained relevant. As soon as the weed-buzz dissolved, the realities of supporting ones self, a job, being responsible, and PAYING TAXES set in and their imaginary world of Oz came crashing down.

Of course the extreme cases of brain drug damage at the DUmp remains and their only solution is permanent disability.