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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #425 on: July 07, 2010, 03:03:50 PM »
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Hypocrite?  I'm not following you on that one.  Am I someone who's observant enough to note that all the people in the several photographs in that thread are white whereas the county in question is nearly half black?  Yes, I notice that.   Is that irrational or hypocritical?  No.  Is it a broad-brush accusation, yes.  Does it apply to every single person assembled in that crowd?  Almost certainly not.  But I'm sure none of you perfect people has ever made a broad-brush accusation about people you don't really know.  Since you're perfect, and I am not, I will apologize for my shortcomings now.

Sorry perfect people.

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« Reply #426 on: July 07, 2010, 03:10:39 PM »
Then why do you keep repeating...verbatim in some cases...things that we can just as easily pull quotes up on from President Obama and the rest of the Democrat party Congress Critters.

We understand very clearly what you're saying.

Where we are calling bullshit...and rightfully so...is your silly insistence that you're not part of the Democrat Party or their belief system.

It's clear to anyone with half a brain that you are...right down to your DNC talking points and leftist media propaganda.

She evades the facts we have presented like the frikkin' plague! We take to facts like a duck does to water. Libs take to facts like Dracula does to Holy Water!

All you have to do is watch a Lib on the Lame Stream Media to see where she got her debating skills! She even might be Senator Kerry's clone, who fought in Vietnam, BTW
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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #427 on: July 07, 2010, 04:39:43 PM »


I have no idea whether our corporate taxes are the 2nd highest in the world.  

Perhaps it's something you should educate yourself with if you're going to cheer for a higher corporate tax rate.

Corporate Tax Rate by Country
The Utopian countries Liberals like to bring up have a very low corportate tax rate.  If you keep taxing corporations, they will respond with lay offs or salary cuts...Is that what you really want?  They may also respond by uprooting their business overseas.  Big Government and Wealth Stealing (which IS exactly what you desire) will bring this country to it's knees.

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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #428 on: July 07, 2010, 05:58:03 PM »
Perhaps it's something you should educate yourself with if you're going to cheer for a higher corporate tax rate.

Corporate Tax Rate by Country
The Utopian countries Liberals like to bring up have a very low corportate tax rate.  If you keep taxing corporations, they will respond with lay offs or salary cuts...Is that what you really want?  They may also respond by uprooting their business overseas.  Big Government and Wealth Stealing (which IS exactly what you desire) will bring this country to it's knees.


Then, let's not forget that many other countries don't have as strict OSHA or EPA laws........
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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #429 on: July 07, 2010, 06:06:56 PM »
Then, let's not forget that many other countries don't have as strict OSHA or EPA laws........

No kiddin'! What's a dead employee or two as long as LIbbers get there talking point!
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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #430 on: July 07, 2010, 06:08:10 PM »
United States could have highest corporate tax rate within a year
By Chris Moody - The Daily Caller | Published: 1:19 AM 06/25/2010 | Updated: 8:01 PM 06/30/2010

 
 
 Japan’s freshly minted prime minister announced last week that his new government would reduce Japan’s corporate tax rate, now the highest in the world among major industrialized nations, leaving the United States as the world leader in corporate taxation.


http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/25/united-states-could-have-highest-corporate-tax-rate-within-a-year/


So Laeth...you were saying about the rich corporations not paying enough taxes?  If I were a rich corporation...I think I'd be moving my business to Ireland.  Even Japan is going to slash taxes as an attempt to jumpstart their own economy.  So Congratulations...in a way....US will soon hold the #1 spot.
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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #431 on: July 07, 2010, 06:16:37 PM »
United States could have highest corporate tax rate within a year
By Chris Moody - The Daily Caller | Published: 1:19 AM 06/25/2010 | Updated: 8:01 PM 06/30/2010

 
 
 Japan’s freshly minted prime minister announced last week that his new government would reduce Japan’s corporate tax rate, now the highest in the world among major industrialized nations, leaving the United States as the world leader in corporate taxation.


http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/25/united-states-could-have-highest-corporate-tax-rate-within-a-year/


So Laeth...you were saying about the rich corporations not paying enough taxes?  If I were a rich corporation...I think I'd be moving my business to Ireland.  Even Japan is going to slash taxes as an attempt to jumpstart their own economy.  So Congratulations...in a way....US will soon hold the #1 spot.
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« Reply #432 on: July 07, 2010, 08:32:59 PM »
Ergo blacks are overwhelmingly racist

They may be, but so what?  That wasn't my point.  My point was that race (as an issue) divides people who should be allies, and I see this as tragic--especially for the people in those photographs.

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So your OK with racism?

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« Reply #433 on: July 07, 2010, 09:30:01 PM »
Ergo blacks are overwhelmingly racist

So your OK with racism?

Another dodge without answering I see.

It's a-okay for Blacks to be racist, Like King, whatever his name is in Philly, said today about killin' Crackers and their children, but if we even point it out, we're racist!

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« Reply #434 on: July 07, 2010, 09:42:22 PM »
Have people at the DU or any Progressive site been in an uproar over this? Fast Forward to 27 seconds. So we have perceived racism, no proof at all of course, being spouted by the left, yet real racism that gets ignored.

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« Reply #435 on: July 07, 2010, 10:11:37 PM »
Hmmmmmmmmm..........wonder where the libbie is? She's doin' a real good job of post and punt.

I know, I know, she has a job and a family so it's hard for her to do anything but mess on the carpet and run!
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« Reply #436 on: July 08, 2010, 07:49:24 AM »
Laelth, et al;

I brought this over from another site with permission.  Take a moment to read it and give your thoughts.

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As a former drug addict, my take on this issue might be a little different.

Many Americans are addicted to government. They are far beyond mere acceptance of government largess. They are intimately dependent upon government programs, money, and subsidies to live, and have been for so long that they have forgotten how it was to live without the mother’s milk of taxpayer money.

We’re at the end point of that lifestyle now - the same place when the individual drug addict has exhausted his savings, sold his belongings, frayed his relationships, and sees only the next fix tomorrow. Whether or not the party of government, the Democrats, are the addicts or the pushers is not relevant, since the Democrats are obviously addicted to government excess along with their supporters. What is scarier is the great mass of Americans and organizations also addicted to government excess who are users of taxpayer money and regulatory power but don’t recognize how deep they’ve sunk into the lifestyle. In this group I’d put all those businesses comfortable with manipulating regulation, middle-class folks trying to game the system, and limosine liberals thinking that they’re all right as long as they’re friendly with their Democrat dealers.

In any case, there’s nothing left in the stash box. The alteratives are stark - try to steal it from your nonaddicted neighbors or go cold turkey. As a country, if you go the first route, we have civil war; if we go the second route, we have chaos.

Like all addicts, though, we have to hit bottom to recognize the severity of the situation. Those of us who are sober can see that bottom rising up as we fall towards it. For the rest, the shock will leave them with the two alteratives above. Unfortunately, when the individual addict goes on his private crime wave, the police intervene. When a country decides to engage in wholesale theft by redistributing wealth, though, either people fight or the government takes everything - and it’s never enough.

When the individual addict goes cold turkey, their problems from the addiction don’t vanish, though. It’s a long struggle to reclaim your life, for others to trust to your judgment, for you to restore what was lost in the addiction. Our country faces this prospect, in my opinion.

I didn’t mention the idea of intervention because it seems as if that moment passed us by about 30 years ago - in the form of Ronald Reagan. He tried to intervene. I don’t know if it would be possible to confront those addicted to government money today without a violent response.

It looks like interesting times ahead. I really, really hope I’m wrong.



12 posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 12:24:57 PM by redpoll


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« Reply #437 on: July 08, 2010, 07:58:16 AM »
That was very good NHSparky, though I have a feeling it will fall on deaf ears.
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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #438 on: July 08, 2010, 11:47:06 AM »
Laelth, et al;

I brought this over from another site with permission.  Take a moment to read it and give your thoughts.
 

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Wow, that's such an apt comparison. Only in this case, the government is the drug dealer and the one who pimps them out (especially the children) to get more money.

I try not to think about how thoroughly we've strayed from the Constitution...with this current regime it's like a bullet train with no breaks heading for the cliff...it makes me want to cry to see what's happening here. I mean this admin does anything they want with no resistance or reporting from the press. The majority in this country don't even know what's going on. There's a general foreboding but it's kind of like what Yoda said, "Hard to see, the dark side is". But all this taking over of businesses will just create more addicts...car companies, banks, etc. Czars that are never vetted, Supreme Court appointments that have a socialist mind bent and all the intellectual acumen of a toddler. Republican party (with the exception of a very few, well, mostly Sarah Palin and her "mama bears") offering alternatives. What the hell is wrong with the party? Whose job is it to come up with clear answers and solutions and not just "no"? Because it's not being done.

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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #439 on: July 08, 2010, 11:47:44 AM »
Excellent find Sparky.........worth repeating, as it reflects my thoughts exactly.

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As a former drug addict, my take on this issue might be a little different.

Many Americans are addicted to government. They are far beyond mere acceptance of government largess. They are intimately dependent upon government programs, money, and subsidies to live, and have been for so long that they have forgotten how it was to live without the mother’s milk of taxpayer money.

We’re at the end point of that lifestyle now - the same place when the individual drug addict has exhausted his savings, sold his belongings, frayed his relationships, and sees only the next fix tomorrow. Whether or not the party of government, the Democrats, are the addicts or the pushers is not relevant, since the Democrats are obviously addicted to government excess along with their supporters. What is scarier is the great mass of Americans and organizations also addicted to government excess who are users of taxpayer money and regulatory power but don’t recognize how deep they’ve sunk into the lifestyle. In this group I’d put all those businesses comfortable with manipulating regulation, middle-class folks trying to game the system, and limosine liberals thinking that they’re all right as long as they’re friendly with their Democrat dealers.

In any case, there’s nothing left in the stash box. The alternatives are stark - try to steal it from your nonaddicted neighbors or go cold turkey. As a country, if you go the first route, we have civil war; if we go the second route, we have chaos.

Like all addicts, though, we have to hit bottom to recognize the severity of the situation. Those of us who are sober can see that bottom rising up as we fall towards it. For the rest, the shock will leave them with the two alternatives above. Unfortunately, when the individual addict goes on his private crime wave, the police intervene. When a country decides to engage in wholesale theft by redistributing wealth, though, either people fight or the government takes everything - and it’s never enough.

When the individual addict goes cold turkey, their problems from the addiction don’t vanish, though. It’s a long struggle to reclaim your life, for others to trust to your judgment, for you to restore what was lost in the addiction. Our country faces this prospect, in my opinion.

I didn’t mention the idea of intervention because it seems as if that moment passed us by about 30 years ago - in the form of Ronald Reagan. He tried to intervene. I don’t know if it would be possible to confront those addicted to government money today without a violent response.

It looks like interesting times ahead. I really, really hope I’m wrong.

12 posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 12:24:57 PM by redpoll

The day of awakening for my wife and myself came with hurricane Katrina, and NOLA........prior to that, we had some modicum of empathy for the "poor", and underclasses in America.

As we watched the situation in NOLA unfold we suddenly became painfully aware of the hidden effects of rampant liberalism, particularly on the black community, and from that point forward, we no longer really cared about people who were either too stupid, too government dependent, or too lazy to get out of the way of a 150 mile-wide freight train that was coming at them, when they had two days advance warning.

We watched the survivors turn the Superdome into the world's biggest toilet, we watched them whine and cry for handouts and assistance from the government and the private sector, then spend our taxpayer and contribution dollars on frivolities and booze.  We watched them as they were relocated to other cities, and promptly "bit the hand that fed them" by turning portions of those communities into the same cesspools that NOLA was........some of them (12 actually) came here to Kansas City, however, they didn't stay long......as soon as we midwestern folk caught a bit of their "attitude", they were promptly sent packing.  Many of our churches sent relief to the area, but being pragmatic as we are, we sent only food, water, medical assistance, and clothing.......no money.

Our sympathy for the "poor" died during those days, we discussed it, and came to the conclusion that we were going to send our aid contribution dollars to the ASPCA, and animal rescue groups, as we knew that the animals had no choice as to where they were, and no awareness of what was unfolding around them, unlike the people.  The "citizens" of NOLA didn't get a dime from us (except for our tax contributions), and should a similar event occur, we can be counted on to take a pass again...........

In this area, we annually suffer through tornadoes, floods, and windstorms, and the people here seem to always pitch in and help our neighbors rebuild, replant, and recover.......we don't stand in the path of the event, whining for the government to bail us out.......we survive, and do so without the news media making a circus out of our misfortune.

Therefore, when some "bleeding heart" like Laelth comes to this forum, spouting nonsensical liberal talking points about redistributing our hard-earned resources to the "poor".......not only does it seriously piss me off.....but in the immortal words of Rhett Butler........."Frankly.....I don't give a damn........"

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« Reply #440 on: July 08, 2010, 12:09:39 PM »
What the left (democrats) have done to the black family in this country is disgusting and evil. It's like those Southern Democrats who tried to keep them out of their restaurants and voting booths, pissed about losing their slave labor, found another way to enslave them. Making the government husband and daddy, completely dependent, leaving the men with nothing to care about and no ambition. Stuck on the government's inner city plantations. No hope. No real help. Generations of parents unable to teach their children how to get along in the world because they were never taught. Hostage to a plantation master who can give or take away at their whim. If that's not racism I don't know what is.

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« Reply #441 on: July 08, 2010, 02:18:18 PM »
The day of awakening for my wife and myself came with hurricane Katrina, and NOLA........prior to that, we had some modicum of empathy for the "poor", and underclasses in America.

As we watched the situation in NOLA unfold we suddenly became painfully aware of the hidden effects of rampant liberalism, particularly on the black community, and from that point forward, we no longer really cared about people who were either too stupid, too government dependent, or too lazy to get out of the way of a 150 mile-wide freight train that was coming at them, when they had two days advance warning.

We watched the survivors turn the Superdome into the world's biggest toilet, we watched them whine and cry for handouts and assistance from the government and the private sector, then spend our taxpayer and contribution dollars on frivolities and booze.  We watched them as they were relocated to other cities, and promptly "bit the hand that fed them" by turning portions of those communities into the same cesspools that NOLA was........some of them (12 actually) came here to Kansas City, however, they didn't stay long......as soon as we midwestern folk caught a bit of their "attitude", they were promptly sent packing.  Many of our churches sent relief to the area, but being pragmatic as we are, we sent only food, water, medical assistance, and clothing.......no money.

Our sympathy for the "poor" died during those days, we discussed it, and came to the conclusion that we were going to send our aid contribution dollars to the ASPCA, and animal rescue groups, as we knew that the animals had no choice as to where they were, and no awareness of what was unfolding around them, unlike the people.  The "citizens" of NOLA didn't get a dime from us (except for our tax contributions), and should a similar event occur, we can be counted on to take a pass again...........

In this area, we annually suffer through tornadoes, floods, and windstorms, and the people here seem to always pitch in and help our neighbors rebuild, replant, and recover.......we don't stand in the path of the event, whining for the government to bail us out.......we survive, and do so without the news media making a circus out of our misfortune.

Therefore, when some "bleeding heart" like Laelth comes to this forum, spouting nonsensical liberal talking points about redistributing our hard-earned resources to the "poor".......not only does it seriously piss me off.....but in the immortal words of Rhett Butler........."Frankly.....I don't give a damn........"

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Another excellent post! I remember when people from NO got I think $2,500 each? they were spending the money in Casinos. I remember commenting at that time the difference between the way people from NO handled the crisis compared to the people of Mississippi. I had very little sympathy for the people of NO, and like you I had more sympathy for the animals. An online friend at the time lived in Houston where a lot of people were relocated, she worked in the school system and said the Parents who were relocated were horrible, rude and demanding, and made the areas they were moved to worse. Obviously that's not reflective of everyone who suffered through Katrina, but way too many were like you stated.
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« Reply #442 on: July 08, 2010, 02:21:33 PM »
What the left (democrats) have done to the black family in this country is disgusting and evil. It's like those Southern Democrats who tried to keep them out of their restaurants and voting booths, pissed about losing their slave labor, found another way to enslave them. Making the government husband and daddy, completely dependent, leaving the men with nothing to care about and no ambition. Stuck on the government's inner city plantations. No hope. No real help. Generations of parents unable to teach their children how to get along in the world because they were never taught. Hostage to a plantation master who can give or take away at their whim. If that's not racism I don't know what is.

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I stated in another post that it makes you wonder if entitlements from the 1960's were specifically designed to break apart and destroy the black family. You can't tell me the Democrats didn't see any of this happening, and as a result they have a HUGE constituency dependent upon them to continue to receive benefits.
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« Reply #443 on: July 08, 2010, 02:23:24 PM »
I stated in another post that it makes you wonder if entitlements from the 1960's were specifically designed to break apart and destroy the black family. You can't tell me the Democrats didn't see any of this happening, and as a result they have a HUGE constituency dependent upon them to continue to receive benefits.

The Dems have always been the party of racists, and they intend to keep blacks on the plantation as long as possible.

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« Reply #444 on: July 08, 2010, 02:41:47 PM »
The Dems have always been the party of racists, and they intend to keep blacks on the plantation as long as possible.

Proven by the way they treat any Black that refuses the gubmint hand-outs and tries like hell to educate his/her brethren. Take a look at Bill Cosby! He lectures the Black fathers that abandon their children and move on to another woman to create more.

Even after pointing out what is obvious, the "Gang" mentality persists in the inner city where DemonRats have sentenced them to a life of misery. You would think at least the mothers would try to educate their young so their life expectancy is longer than the age of 26!

Cosby has been one of my heroes since I was just 8 years old. My parents had all of his comedy routines. He's been trying to help his people for as long as I can remember, but it just falls on deaf ears. Hell, Ive heard him booed at town hall meetings put on by the local Church!
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« Reply #445 on: July 08, 2010, 06:31:02 PM »
I stated in another post that it makes you wonder if entitlements from the 1960's were specifically designed to break apart and destroy the black family. You can't tell me the Democrats didn't see any of this happening, and as a result they have a HUGE constituency dependent upon them to continue to receive benefits.

If I recall correctly, one Democrat at least did-Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Too bad nobody listened.

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« Reply #446 on: July 08, 2010, 06:49:12 PM »
If I recall correctly, one Democrat at least did-Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Too bad nobody listened.

He was a socialist, and a gun-grabber, but that one point you mentioned was a tiny saving grace.
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« Reply #447 on: July 09, 2010, 06:11:29 AM »
Three days since I last posed a question to our "guest", and still no reply.

Seems that when she can't pull up the talking points, she just goes turtle on us.
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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #448 on: July 09, 2010, 08:19:11 AM »
I'm just posting excerpts from this article, you can read the rest at the link, I'm posting it here because of the ongoing discussion of some Progressives who feel the rich need to pay more. These comments are by rich Progressives now, that's important to note:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-07-07/aspen-ideas-festival-obama-loses-support-of-nations-elite/?cid=tag:all1

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Even the Aspen Ideas Festival, an annual gathering of the country's brightest lights, isn't Obama country anymore. Lloyd Grove on the president's waning support among the intelligentsia.

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You’d think the well-heeled and enlightened eggheads at the Aspen Ideas Festival—which is running all week in this fashionable resort town with heady panel discussions and earnest disquisitions involving all manner of deep thinkers and do-gooders—would be receptive to an intellectually ambitious president with big ideas of his own.

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“The real problem we have,” Mort Zuckerman said, “are some of the worst economic policies in place today that, in my judgment, go directly against the long-term interests of this country.”

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“If you’re asking if the United States is about to become a socialist state, I’d say it’s actually about to become a European state, with the expansiveness of the welfare system and the progressive tax system like what we’ve already experienced in Western Europe,” Harvard business and history professor Niall Ferguson declared during Monday’s kickoff session, offering a withering critique of Obama’s economic policies, which he claimed were encouraging laziness.

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“The curse of longterm unemployment is that if you pay people to do nothing, they’ll find themselves doing nothing for very long periods of time,” Ferguson said. “Long-term unemployment is at an all-time high in the United States, and it is a direct consequence of a misconceived public policy.”

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“We are, without question, in a period of decline, particularly in the business world,” Zuckerman said. “The real problem we have…are some of the worst economic policies in place today that, in my judgment, go directly against the long-term interests of this country.”

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This was greeted by hearty applause from a crowd that included Barbra Streisand and her husband James Brolin. “Depressing, but fantastic,” Streisand told me afterward, rendering her verdict on the session. “So exciting. Wonderful!”

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Our corporate tax rate, on a worldwide competitive basis, is just not competitive. Taiwan is lowering their rate to 20 to 15 percent in order to stay competitive with Singapore. These countries have made it their job to attract industry. You don’t get that sense here in the United States.”

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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #449 on: July 10, 2010, 06:36:48 AM »
Four days.  I think she has officially run away for good.

Too bad.  I was particularly enjoying watching her get her head handed her every other post.
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