The liberal vultures are circling.

[USA4ME]

To digress, this "Laelth" individual professes to be a lawyer, ergo, fairly well educated, and infused with a modicum of "common sense".  Thus far, I have seen no indication that this is the case, and I would certainly be reticent to hire her/him/it for legal representation based on the debating skills thus far demonstrated......

Depends.  If you were to get a divorce and wanted your wife to be left in the poor house, you could hire him to represent her.

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[Ballygrl]

Anecdotally, I notice that you have avoided my discussion of liberal taxation policies and corporations like the plague........your silence in rebuttal is deafening......

Your comment that Obama and his minions are no liberals is further damning by its presence, as it infers that you are far to the left of his policies, which have been demonstrated to be basically socialist in nature......leaving us with the impression that you have graduated from liberalism, through socialism (without passing GO) and proceeded directly to some form of totalitarianism.......speaks volumes.

And by the way, the reason that consumer spending is so low (as well as consumer confidence) has nothing to do with taxation, or lack thereof, and has everything to do with the fact that one in five Americans either don't have a job right now, or are severely underemployed.......they are in survival mode.  

Reducing the overall tax burden on someone that is earning nothing is just an empty gesture, designed to appear to the uninitiated that the present bunch in charge "cares about them", when this could not be further from the truth.

Critically evaluating all of the government (read taxpayer)  funds that have been expended in one "stimulus" or another has had absolutely no effect on the basic problem of lack of private sector jobs that will be the ultimate recovery mechanism for the economy.  In the instant case, the example of Greece should tell us what the ultimate result of depending on the creation of government jobs has on the long-term stability of a nations economy.

As was wisely stated by Lady Margaret Thatcher........."Socialism is great until you eventually run out of other peoples money" (paraphrased).

doc

I was just going to post that consumer spending is down because people are out of work and the uncertainty of future economic conditions, but you did it a million times better than I ever could. Also I see no mention of curbing spending and making cuts which was a huge bone of contention amongst conservatives when it came to Bush, and even progressives used the spending argument, now total silence on spending and demonizing those who speak out against it.

[Thor]

Last summer, the bingo at the VFW was averaging 70+ players on a Saturday, sometimes as much as 95. This summer, we've been lucky to break 50 players. Since Bingo supports the VFW, it's starting to hurt. If this trend continues, many organizations will be forced to close their doors. For the record, last year we donated on excess of $10,000.00 to various charities. This year has been far less than that , so far. If I don't see an improvement, I can most assuredly say that we won't break the $5000.00 mark in donations.

[USA4ME]

These "I hate the rich and multi-national corps" type have a lot of explaining to do.  For instance, do they purchace items which in any way puts money in the pockets of the rich and/or multi-national corps? Because if they do, then that tells me they're a lot of talk with no substantial action.

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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

These "I hate the rich and multi-national corps" type have a lot of explaining to do.  For instance, do they purchace items which in any way puts money in the pockets of the rich and/or multi-national corps? Because if they do, then that tells me they're a lot of talk with no substantial action.

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They only hate multi-nationals because they hate little brown people (LBP) who are poor and disadvantaged.

Think about it. If all them LBPs started getting high-paying indoor factory jobs then who would be left to carry back-breaking loads of coffee over the mountains in scorching mid-day heat so these limousine liberals can enjoy their over-priced half-caff, mochaccino double lattes with a sprinkle of nutmeg.

"No, no, little brown person. Those jobs are too good for you. Those jobs only belong to Americans!"

[PatriotGame]

LOL.  Obama is no liberal.  He's as much a Republican as Bill Clinton was.  I am a liberal, and I know the difference.

And as for tax policy, I agree.  That might be killing consumer spending because the poor and the middle class have very little to spend these days.  Tax policy might have something to do with this, but liberal tax policy?  That I do not see.  I see conservative tax policy in action ... cut taxes for the rich, soak the poor and the middle class with taxes.  That's what I see.

-Laelth

I would laugh but I know you are serious so I pity you.
Maybe you can help me out here. Just last week the 0bama administration, the Treasury, and members of Congress, some of them Democrats all stated: "The Bush tax cuts are going to expire soon and when they do, people must be prepared because the poor and middle class are going to take a hit". Those are the very same tax cuts that you and your socialist comrades on the left spent the last eight years screaming they were only for the rich.
How does that work? By your very own admission, you on the left have been LYING all along.

Now get your pretzel machine out and twist your response into some form of logic.

Hoyer: Middle-class tax cuts may be on chopping block:

Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat, also suggested that future Social Security benefits may have to be trimmed to contain the national debt.

Hoyer added, however, that as long as the economy is struggling to recover, "I don't think this is the time to increase taxes" on middle-class people. Congress is expected to let tax reductions for the wealthy expire at year's end.



Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/22/96354/hoyer-middle-class-tax-cuts-may.html#ixzz0sfzbnaW1

Care to elaborate?

[NHSparky]

LOL.  Obama is no liberal.  He's as much a Republican as Bill Clinton was.  I am a liberal, and I know the difference.

That one just pegged the bullshit meter right there.

[Hawkgirl]

 
 
 The more this libs posts, the more 
We have enough liberal propaganda directed towards us on TV, from the President, from Congress....now we are to welcome it on a Conservative website?
All her talking points are about redistribution of wealth and class warfare.....   Stop feeding the troll...no matter what anyone thinks...having libs like her post her bullshit here WILL NOT CHANGE HER IDEOLOGY.  Some of you may think that this is an outlet we can use to change one over to our party...but trust me, it's not the case with liberals...especially DUmmies.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

 
 The more this libs posts, the more 
We have enough liberal propaganda directed towards us on TV, from the President, from Congress....now we are to welcome it on a Conservative website?
All her talking points are about redistribution of wealth and class warfare.....   Stop feeding the troll...no matter what anyone thinks...having libs like her post her bullshit here WILL NOT CHANGE HER IDEOLOGY.  Some of you may think that this is an outlet we can use to change one over to our party...but trust me, it's not the case with liberals...especially DUmmies.

Understood but at least we can challenge this nonsense unlike never being allowed to challenge it at the DUmp.

[Thor]

Understood but at least we can challenge this nonsense unlike never being allowed to challenge it at the DUmp.

Eggggggggggggggggggsssssssssssssssssssssactly......... 


I find it somewhat humorous that all of the DUmpmonkeys seem to be finding us and migrating here. Of course, with the current meltdown at the DUmp, I can see why.

Ohhh, and Hawkgirl........ if we get rid of "chew toys", we get admonished. If we don't we get admonished. It can't be both ways. Besides, is that what you really want? A site that forces everybody to toe the line, walk in lockstep and abide by group think?? Regardless of WHICH side of the political divide a person is on, that is little more than fascism, period.

[Hawkgirl]

Ok, point taken.

[thundley4]

Ok, point taken.

Besides, how else do we get to question their and get any answers from them, if we don't let them come here?  Skammer wouldn't allow a conservative to question DUmmies on their own turf.

[NHSparky]

Besides, how else do we get to question their and get any answers from them, if we don't let them come here?  Skammer wouldn't allow a conservative to question DUmmies on their own turf.

$kammer doesn't allow LIBERALS to question each other anymore.

[delilahmused]

Getting people off welfare rolls is something I've given a lot of thought about. Keeping people dependent on the government is akin to keeping them in slavery. And just as segregation and other racist policies were policies of southern DEMOCRATS so the current serfdom is owned solely by the democratic party. One has to wonder why they would do NOTHING to give them a hand up. The only logical conclusion is that you create a permanent voting block. All you really have to do is keep them ignorant and in fear of the "republican boogie man" and create a situation where they are excluded from the larger society. You have generations where cycles of unwed mothers with multiple children, absent fathers (many involved in gangs), and undereducated continue to repeat themselves. They live in utter hopelessness and extreme poverty having forgotten (or never learned) how to take care of themselves. No one on the left EVER does anything but keep them there. Even Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming to welfare reform. Incomes and living standards actually improved, some were even able to move out of their inner city plantations. Now that's going to disappear again so they can come dependent on "Obama money from his stash".

Those of us living in the real world have a system of rewards and punishments. Do a good job at work, you get praised and perhaps a bonus or raise (unless you're a union member, i.e. socialist and you don't have to do a good job to get a raise). Do poorly and you get reprimanded and even fired if you don't improve. Don't pay your rent or house payment you get evicted. Pay your bills on time and you earn a good credit rating which opens the door to other opportunities. Our own choices and not the soft tyranny of a forced dependence determine our station in life. So, here's what I would do:

First you have to eliminate the danger outside so the residents can do more than spend a life looking at the window and ducking stray bullets. Make those rich slum lords, like Obama's best buddy Valerie Jarrett, who get double funds from the government in the form of rent subsidies and rent paid by tenants, pay for specially trained armed guards (sort of like the inner city version of Blackwater). Mow down a some gang members, arrest some more as we did with insurgents in Iraq (because this IS a war zone for those who live there) and the gangs will go away.

Then the residents can leave their apartments and you can teach them to take pride in their surroundings, create a sense of self-confidence and they'll start to see possibilities. No more free rides. Have them clean their neighborhoods, create community gardens, build new playground equipment, paint buildings and make repairs inside. Apprentice some of these people to plumbers, contractors, gardeners so they learn a skill and give them a salary for their work. Have daycare centers run and staffed by residents. This frees other residents to get their GED and learn a skill. The initial cost for these programs might be more than sending out a welfare check but as those people become less dependent on the government and more self-sufficient welfare rolls will be reduced significantly which means more money in everyone's pocket (provided the powers that be don't decide to keep for something else). Anyone who wants to sit on their ass and collect funds will have their checks reduced. No more increased payments for every baby they pop out. Give extra funds for only 2 children...this would be those consequences for ones behavior that the rest of us live with.

Of course there are other things that must be done...merit pay for teachers and such but that should be country wide anyway, along with ending unions for government employees. It's called government SERVICE for a reason and public employee unions hold the citizens hostage...but that's another topic.

Cindie

[AllosaursRus]

Hands down that's the best post in this thread, Cin!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

I'd go a little further and make even belonging to a gang a felony, punishable by 15 yrs in the hoosegow! If they renounce gang activity, get an education and a workable skill, let them out. Recruiting youngsters as young as 8, 10, or 12, should be treated the same as pedophilia and carry a life sentence!

Gangs are the biggest threat to inner city society ever since Cosa Nostra invented it in Sicily!

Tagging a building, or any other property should get ya a caning like they do in Indonesia!

[formerlurker]

You're right, I think.  He did call me a vulture, although he backed off further down in the thread.  And I don't take cases out of charity.  I can't afford to.  As another poster rightly noted, I only take cases I think I can win because I can't afford to work for free for years and not get paid.

Hey, everybody hates lawyers these days (until they need one).  And there's no doubt that the right has been leading an organized campaign to denigrate trial lawyers (Plaintiffs' lawyers) because they want to de-fund the left and the Democratic Party.  It is also true that Plaintiffs' lawyers donate more money to Democrats than they do to Republicans.  But have you looked at the other side?  The defense attorneys are the ones who are making the big bucks.  A few Plaintiffs' attorneys make good money ... a few ... but the defense attorneys (the ones that make the big money because they work for the wealthy corporations) are the ones who make the most money, and they donate most of it to Republicans because the Republicans advance laws that favor the rich and, specifically, those big wealthy corporations.  Does the name Joe Barton ring a bell?

Either way, I thought I should just say hi given that I was being discused in this thread.  So flame away, you manly men and women.

 

-Laelth

Seriously Laelth?  Prior to having children I was a paralegal (which included worker's compensation law -- the professional claimants) and a casualty adjuster for MVAs.   PI attorneys are the scum of the earth.  The only cases you shy a bit away from are slip and fall unless it is a clear winner, and even then there are those who take them.   

PI attorneys take on a client, tell them to treat with the doctors/chiros/scam artists these attorneys have nice relationships with, for however long they can milk it (got to love those soft tissue injuries am I right Laelth?), and then they actually pick up the file for first time to call the adjuster to settle it.   

You make money based on contingency as it is a formula when you do next to no work, so please give me a break.  On the extremely rare chance it is an injury that is going to trial, the small time putz PI attorney will most likely no longer be handling the file.   Big injuries usually go to big law firms.  I never had any issue paying claims on real injuries -- those claimants don't need attorneys.   

[AllosaursRus]

Seriously Laelth?  Prior to having children I was a paralegal (which included worker's compensation law -- the professional claimants) and a casualty adjuster for MVAs.   PI attorneys are the scum of the earth.  The only cases you shy a bit away from are slip and fall unless it is a clear winner, and even then there are those who take them.   

PI attorneys take on a client, tell them to treat with the doctors/chiros/scam artists these attorneys have nice relationships with, for however long they can milk it (got to love those soft tissue injuries am I right Laelth?), and then they actually pick up the file for first time to call the adjuster to settle it.   

You make money based on contingency as it is a formula when you do next to no work, so please give me a break.  On the extremely rare chance it is an injury that is going to trial, the small time putz PI attorney will most likely no longer be handling the file.   Big injuries usually go to big law firms.  I never had any issue paying claims on real injuries -- those claimants don't need attorneys.

Exactly, "former"! My wife got T-Boned by an inattentive driver and we settled our claim without a lawyer, who would have done nothing more than jack up the price in order for them to make money and us to make less!

If you have a legitimate claim, you don't need a damn lawyer. That's what insurance companies do for the money I already pay them!

[Thor]

You make money based on contingency as it is a formula when you do next to no work, so please give me a break.  On the extremely rare chance it is an injury that is going to trial, the small time putz PI attorney will most likely no longer be handling the file.   Big injuries usually go to big law firms.  I never had any issue paying claims on real injuries -- those claimants don't need attorneys.

I don't know about all that. I had to sue my own insurance company because they didn't want to pay on the underinsured motorists rider I had. I had/have REAL injuries, even to this day, as a result of that accident. Like I said earlier, at my deposition, they thought they had me, asked several trick questions and ultimately, I blew them out of the water when asked if there were any witnesses. Sure, I had some hoops to jump through. It still took three years plus to settle the case, even with an operation.

[formerlurker]

I don't know about all that. I had to sue my own insurance company because they didn't want to pay on the underinsured motorists rider I had. I had/have REAL injuries, even to this day, as a result of that accident. Like I said earlier, at my deposition, they thought they had me, asked several trick questions and ultimately, I blew them out of the water when asked if there were any witnesses. Sure, I had some hoops to jump through. It still took three years plus to settle the case, even with an operation.

Sorry -- missed your post on your accident.   Was this a hit and run? 

[formerlurker]

Exactly, "former"! My wife got T-Boned by an inattentive driver and we settled our claim without a lawyer, who would have done nothing more than jack up the price in order for them to make money and us to make less!

If you have a legitimate claim, you don't need a damn lawyer. That's what insurance companies do for the money I already pay them!

Submit your meds, bills and make sure you tell the adjuster in detail how the injury has affected your life (you will get more money if you are a LL coach, active with the kids, etc. etc. and could no longer do any of that stuff).    Attorneys understand the formula I use to put a dollar figure on your claim -- they just pile on the bells and whistles to try to squeak out a few more thousand.    You can do this yourself.

Formula is easy.  Accident happened --  we look at point of impact to vehicle, amount of damage, etc.   then your injury.   Seatbelt?   we may use that as a negotiation strategy to give you some negligence.  

Ambulance to ER, treated and released for soft tissue injury -- $300-$400 for that day.  
Ambulance to ER, admitted with significant injuries -- anywhere from $300 to 1,000+ per day depending on injury.
Treatment -- type of injury,  we give you a set amount per week for consistent treatment so let's say you are a mom of 3 small kids with back injury that will not require surgery.  You go to ER, then PCP, maybe an ortho or neuro and then get referred out to chiro.   You treat 2x/week -- we give you probably $250/week for pain and suffering, maybe more depending on the claimant and how active they are.   You miss a week to go on vacation?   we drop your weekly amount by $100  -- NEVER MISS A WEEK!!!   The attorney knows this and will advise you to stay consistent with tx, and heck some sleazy attys will send you to sleazy providers who will note you attended when you never did so you are always covered.  

You treatment at some point tapers down,  you are considered at an end result for tx.  Your provider may try to give you a permanent injury rating yada yada.  We plot your treatment out over a calendar, review you meds for red flags and helpful info about your life (make sure you tell your providers if you are in pain, suffering relapses, how it is affecting your life etc. as they will include that in their office notes which we get).    Add in lost wages, medical and out-of-pocket expenses and we come to a figure.  

You can usually negotiate a very good settlement on your own.  

[formerlurker]

Note two things -- serious injuries/death is a different kettle of fish.   Families usually secure services of attorney and I probably recommend that as their is different type of settlement structures that should be considered, and the opportunity to settle with the insurance carrier and go after the tortfeasor who may or may not have more assets. 

Also, if you have ever filed a claim for injuries for any reason at all, be honest about it.  All claims get reported to a claims clearinghouse.   The day you file a clam your name, address is fed into that clearinghouse.   Any matches or like matches go to the adjuster.  You lie, and your file is flagged.  Not worth it.   

[BEG]

Exactly, "former"! My wife got T-Boned by an inattentive driver and we settled our claim without a lawyer, who would have done nothing more than jack up the price in order for them to make money and us to make less!

If you have a legitimate claim, you don't need a damn lawyer. That's what insurance companies do for the money I already pay them!

Back in 1993 I had my first run in with UVeitis. The pharmacy gave me the wrong perscription.  I didn't know it was the wrong one until I ended up in the ER two weeks later. Because I wasn't using the right medication I got seriously ill. Lost a ton of weight, very painful eye, felt like an abscess around my whole eye. Found out the medication contained sulfa and I am allergic. The night of my ER visit my husband called my doctor, the doctor didn't have my file in front of him as it was after hours. He asked my husband what he had perscribed and he said he would never perscribe that eye drop for UVeitis.

Because I basically didn't treat the UVeitis for two weeks because of the wrong perscription, it got seriously bad. It lasted for months, I ended up getting a shot in my eye and shingles. It was the worst thing I have ever gone through. The pharmacy's atty called within a couple of days of my ER trip (my doctor had called the pharmacy). He asked me what I wanted. All I asked for was that my husband's time off to care for our new baby (she was three weeks old when I got the UVeitis), asked them to pay for my ER visit and any medical care after the wrong perscription was given to me. I didn't ask for anything else but i am positive that the medication that was given to me made my illness worse and I was allergic to it. They sent the check overnight. By cashing it I gave away any right to sue at a later date. Sometimes I wish I did sue as I never found out what happened to the pharm. who filled the perscription.   It was a pharmacy that was inside a grocery store in Lake Havasu City BTW.   

[AllosaursRus]

I don't know about all that. I had to sue my own insurance company because they didn't want to pay on the underinsured motorists rider I had. I had/have REAL injuries, even to this day, as a result of that accident. Like I said earlier, at my deposition, they thought they had me, asked several trick questions and ultimately, I blew them out of the water when asked if there were any witnesses. Sure, I had some hoops to jump through. It still took three years plus to settle the case, even with an operation.

Oh gettin' anything out of his insurance company was like pullin' teeth, but I didn't have to split it with a frikkin' lawyer! If you have a claim, you do have to play their game, but eventually you will prevail. Took us a year.

[Thor]

Sorry -- missed your post on your accident.   Was this a hit and run? 

No, got rear ended. They had to tow the GMC truck away while my Ford truck was drivable, but the frame was bent, along with some fairly significant body damage. Police were called and all that good stuff.

[Ballygrl]

Back in 1993 I had my first run in with UVeitis. The pharmacy gave me the wrong perscription.  I didn't know it was the wrong one until I ended up in the ER two weeks later. Because I wasn't using the right medication I got seriously ill. Lost a ton of weight, very painful eye, felt like an abscess around my whole eye. Found out the medication contained sulfa and I am allergic. The night of my ER visit my husband called my doctor, the doctor didn't have my file in front of him as it was after hours. He asked my husband what he had perscribed and he said he would never perscribe that eye drop for UVeitis.

Because I basically didn't treat the UVeitis for two weeks because of the wrong perscription, it got seriously bad. It lasted for months, I ended up getting a shot in my eye and shingles. It was the worst thing I have ever gone through. The pharmacy's atty called within a couple of days of my ER trip (my doctor had called the pharmacy). He asked me what I wanted. All I asked for was that my husband's time off to care for our new baby (she was three weeks old when I got the UVeitis), asked them to pay for my ER visit and any medical care after the wrong perscription was given to me. I didn't ask for anything else but i am positive that the medication that was given to me made my illness worse and I was allergic to it. They sent the check overnight. By cashing it I gave away any right to sue at a later date. Sometimes I wish I did sue as I never found out what happened to the pharm. who filled the perscription.   It was a pharmacy that was inside a grocery store in Lake Havasu City BTW.

Something everyone should do when they get a prescription filled for the 1st time is to google your medication in images and search for the pill or drop you received and make sure you can find it and compare it to what the Doctor ordered, if you're getting a recurring prescription make sure it looks like the same pill and if not call the pharmacist or google the new pill. It takes a few extra minutes but it's worth it. It's not rampant but there are some cases of the pharmacist filling the wrong prescription.