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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #100 on: June 30, 2010, 11:02:09 PM »
This is a great thread. Learns a bit more about how things are in court even after my own experiance with needing a lawyer and watching a friend go to prison on what I think was a bad idea for a defence for him. I'd elaborate more on that but it would take forever to find the links to the stories about what happened.
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« Reply #101 on: June 30, 2010, 11:13:26 PM »
The closest I've been to a court room in the last 15 years was during jury selection.  It was entertaining, to say the least.  I highly recommend it but they should probably sell popcorn.
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« Reply #102 on: July 01, 2010, 05:59:30 AM »
Laeth- As far as the seat belt laws, I fully know from where they arose and why. I still don't like them. It wasn't until I was on my second tour in the Navy that the Navy required me to wear a seat belt. Otherwise, I would have to pay for my own medical. OK, I can buy that. After all, when one joins the military, they are obliged to abide by military regulations.

What PISSES me off is the blatant hypocrisy of some states, Texas and Minnesota being a couple. They require the automobile driver to wear their seat belts and yet, these states don't REQUIRE a motorcyclist to wear a helmet. What ever happened to equal protection under the law?? The way I see it is all or nothing. If a state doesn't require a motorcyclist to wear a helmet, then they shouldn't require the automobile driver to wear their seat belts. The converse also applies. Any more, all I see the seat belt laws as are a money making scheme for the various cities, counties and states. I parallel them to the silly "red light cameras". It's not about discipline any more, it's about how much money an entity can obtain from a citizen.

I live in a state where a motorcycle helmet is required. Seat belts are also mandatory.  I wear a seat belt and would do so even if it weren't required. A seat belt saved my life. I was a passenger in a car that ran off the road and hit a telephone pole. I would have completely exited the vehicle and hit the pole if it wasn't for my having the belt on. As it were, my face went through the windshield, which resulted in a nice scar on my face.

As to helmets on my bike, if I had a choice, I wouldn't wear one. A crash over 25 mph and you're dead anyway. They're heavy and hot, adding to fatigue. They reduce your hearing and cut down on your peripheral vision.
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« Reply #103 on: July 01, 2010, 07:39:22 AM »
Look, most people are fed up with individuals who can't take responsibility for their own actions and then, seemingly, wanna make a fortune off their own stupidity.  While you may or may not agree with how it all shakes out, I highly doubt you're unfamiliar with this POV, and it's one that holds a great deal of merit with everyday people.

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You're right.  I am quite familiar with this POV, and I am aware that it's widespread.  What concerns me, though, is that this righteous anger is misplaced.  Sure, there are some poor people who are ripping us off, abusing the system, using it to their advantage, and who do not deserve public support.  But the wealthy rip us off a lot more than the poor people do.  Look at the TARP.  Look at the S&L crisis of the 1980s.  Consider who's more likely to cheat on their taxes.  Consider who's more likely to hide assets in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying taxes.  Look at who gets tax breaks for moving good jobs to India.  The amount of money stolen from us by the poor pales in comparison to the amount of money stolen from us by the rich.  If you want to be angry about people not taking responsibility for their own actions, why wouldn't you be angry at the banks that we had to bail out on the public dime (both in the 1980s and now).  It seems to me that the wealthiest among us are the greatest beneficiaries of public welfare and that they are a much greater problem than the poor people who are ripping us off.

I'll be willing to consider more restrictive rules to insure that poor people "take responsibility" for their mistakes just as soon as we have enacted rules that insure that the rich and the big corporations have been forced to take full responsibility for their mistakes and that "We the People" don't have to pay for them.

And, I should add, that's exactly what I do for a living.  My job, as a Plaintiff's attorney, is to insure that the wealthy and their insurers take responsibility for the mistakes they make.  If I win, the actual party who caused the injury has to pay for it and "We the People" do not.   And for that I am widely ridiculed.

I should also add that nobody (and I mean nobody) these days believes in "personal responsibility."  If doctors believed in "personal responsibility" then they wouldn't buy medical malpractice insurance.  If bankers believed in "personal responsibility" then a firm like AIG wouldn't exist to insure their losses.  No, it appears to me that we all believe in "collective responsibility" which is exactly what insurance companies are designed to create.

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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2010, 08:11:16 AM »
She'd be totally strong-armed by Sheldon Silver, there's a big divide between upstate and downstate.
  Just correcting for a change of tense.  "She is being....."

However, she did vote against the new $1.60 per pack cig tax to pay for all those no-show crony 6 figure NYS jobs that Patterson doled out to his buddies.  Cigs are now $11 a pack, highest in the country.  I thought the Demos didn't like regressive taxes?  That's a lot of money for most people.  So, she's not completely toeing the party line.  She doesn't want to see the state going to war with the Mohawks again.  That did not end well last time. 

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It seems to me that the wealthiest among us are the greatest beneficiaries of public welfare
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« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2010, 08:19:48 AM »
On another note, Laelth says:
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It seems to me that the wealthiest among us are the greatest beneficiaries of public welfare

I wonder if this is referring to Corp. and farm subsidies?
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« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2010, 08:23:19 AM »
The Conservative "Branch " of the Republican Party is strongly committed to the protection of civil liberties whereas the left wants to take them away.  The Republican Party is trying to protect Second Amendment Rights, whereas the left is seeking to disarm.  The Republican Party is trying to protect the 1st amendment rights...whereas the left would like an attempt to burn any speech that doesn't agree with their agenda (Fairness Doctrine).  What is next? controlling our diets? controlling our health? removing religion (where the Constitution advocates Freedom of religion, not NO religion)Where does this assault of our Civil Liberties stop with you leftists?  You see, it's the Liberals that are attacking our Civil Liberties, not the Conservatives.

The Patriot Act shows me that neither party is interested in protecting our civil liberties.  The left was really angry at Bush for his attempts to weaken our Constitutional protections (and there were many of them).  Obama had the power to restore habeas corpus, to weaken the "unitary executive," and to abolish the Patriot Act.  He has done none of those things.  In fact, he has made the situation worse.  And the left is abandoning him as a result.  I will not grant that the Republican Party is, in any way beyond the Second Amendment, the "protector" of our Constitutional rights.

Many on the left do want to weaken the Second Amendment.  I am not one of them.  As a practical matter, this is a lost cause for the left and you will notice that nobody on the national level is pushing for further restrictions on the Second Amendment.  The local governments that have done so (Chicago, for example) are being slapped down by the Supreme Court.  Even if I thought gun control was a good idea (and I don't), I wouldn't fight for it because that issue is a sure loser.

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You may be articulate and mild mannered Laeth, but I am not buying the crap you are spewing.  

Fair enough.  You did me the honor of reading and considering what I had to say, and that is as much as I had the right to expect.  Thank you.

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« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2010, 08:23:45 AM »
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Consider who's more likely to cheat on their taxes.  Consider who's more likely to hide assets in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying taxes.  Look at who gets tax breaks for moving good jobs to India.  The amount of money stolen from us by the poor pales in comparison to the amount of money stolen from us by the rich.

Wow, I can't believe you just typed that.  The poor don't cheat on their taxes because they pay no taxes.  What sense would it make to pay less than ZERO.  As a matter of fact they get back, in a lot of cases, out of a pool they never paid into so in essence they do pay less than zero.

Can you say that about any rich people?  If you can't then you can't say they are stealing from us.  They are simply using the tools given to them by the government to keep a little bit more of what they earned and they STILL pay the largest burden of taxes.  How can you think they steal from us?

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« Reply #108 on: July 01, 2010, 08:25:26 AM »
On another note, Laelth says:  I'm not altogether buying this, pal. 

If you're at least partially buying it, or even just considering it, then that's enough for me.  There's a lot of evidence out there in support of this position, as I am sure you can imagine.

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« Reply #109 on: July 01, 2010, 08:40:40 AM »
Wow, I can't believe you just typed that.  The poor don't cheat on their taxes because they pay no taxes.  What sense would it make to pay less than ZERO.  As a matter of fact they get back, in a lot of cases, out of a pool they never paid into so in essence they do pay less than zero.
Aw, come on now.  You know that's not true.  As a percentage of their income, poor people carry the highest sales tax burden of all.  They have to pay sales taxes, and it hurts them more then it does the wealthy.  In addition, as a percentage of their income, the poor carry the highest FICA tax burden of us all.  What's more, they pay the highest percentage of their income in property taxes (either directly or through their rent payments--unless, of course, they're in 0% pay section 8 housing which is rare).  The poor carry the heaviest tax burden of us all if you look at the percentage of thier income that is consumed by taxes.  Now, they may not pay income taxes, but so what?  I feel lucky when I get to pay income taxes.  That means I made good money in a given year.  You're not going to get any sympathy from me on the issue of income taxes.  Income taxes only get levied against those who are making decent money.  The other taxes I mentioned (and there are a lot more of them--the fee for filing a lawsuit and the fee for getting a driver's licence, for example) hurt the poor a lot more than they do the rich.

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« Reply #110 on: July 01, 2010, 09:16:48 AM »
On another note, Laelth says:
I wonder if this is referring to Corp. and farm subsidies?

You raise a difficult issue.  Farm subsidies are a matter of national security.  We have to be able to feed our people, and we can't rely on the "free market" to do it.  Farming must be subsidized, although we are, at times, getting ripped off.  To the extent that ADM is making a killing on the federal dime through farm subsidies, I am a bit resentful, but not enough to cut off the subsidy.  To the extent that mom and pop farming operations are just barely surviving with the aid of the subsidies, I am all for them.

Still, because this is a matter of national security, I will begrudgingly condone ADM's further enrichment as they continue to suck off the public teat.  I'm not happy about it, but we must have food to feed the people.  In this case, big agricultural firms like ADM are a necessary evil.

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« Reply #111 on: July 01, 2010, 09:24:49 AM »
Regressiveness (A perjorative, but I'll let it go) in FICA is not all that unjust since the lower two income quintiles benefit disproportionately from it, in payments as well as in its treatment as taxable income.  I really don't have a huge problem with regressive taxes, you can statisticize anything to show how disproportionate the impact on the poor or any other group may be, hence the perenniel jokes on our side about this, along the lines of "World ends tomorrow, women, minorities most affected!"

I am not totally opposed to a so-called 'Progressive' income tax scheme, unlike the flat-tax crowd, but the system we have is skewed too far in favor of transfer payments and does need to be broader if not flatter too.  When over half the voters pay llittle or no net income taxes, and are in the position to continue jacking up the rates on the rest, they system is on a toboggan ride to Hell, that is an unsustainable situation.  You may be too young to remember the legacy of the Carter years, but the 70% top income tax rate then essentially capped the level of effort people were willing to put into an endeavor, since after a certain point (A surprisingly low one, I might add, which affected even high earners in the trades) people just weren't willing to work for less than $.30 on the nominal dollar (Not even counting how much more that was reduced by State taxes and other non-income tax deductions). 

Above the REAL poverty level (Not 'Basic cable' poverty) everyone needs to be a real stakeholder in the income tax system by being a net payer at some appropriate level.  Failure to recognize this by the vote-whores of both parties in Congress will lead to a period of entitlement-taxation cycle tyranny ('Vox populi, vox Dei') which can only end in economic and probably social chaos.     
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« Reply #112 on: July 01, 2010, 09:37:04 AM »
Aw, come on now.  You know that's not true.  As a percentage of their income, poor people carry the highest sales tax burden of all.  They have to pay sales taxes, and it hurts them more then it does the wealthy.  In addition, as a percentage of their income, the poor carry the highest FICA tax burden of us all.  What's more, they pay the highest percentage of their income in property taxes (either directly or through their rent payments--unless, of course, they're in 0% pay section 8 housing which is rare).  The poor carry the heaviest tax burden of us all if you look at the percentage of thier income that is consumed by taxes.  Now, they may not pay income taxes, but so what?  I feel lucky when I get to pay income taxes.  That means I made good money in a given year.  You're not going to get any sympathy from me on the issue of income taxes.  Income taxes only get levied against those who are making decent money.  The other taxes I mentioned (and there are a lot more of them--the fee for filing a lawsuit and the fee for getting a driver's licence, for example) hurt the poor a lot more than they do the rich.

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Uhmmmm no.  I have friends who got back almost double what they paid in income tax (that money would offset most of what you're talking about) while they were on food stamps.

Who is bilking whom?

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« Reply #113 on: July 01, 2010, 09:46:28 AM »
Point of information... Barton was SPOT ON.

Personally, I hate it when the President "negotiates" with corporations (as he did with BP and as he did when he was trying to pass his "health insurance company enrichment act").  That demeans all of us.  The President of the United States shouldn't have to "negotiate" with anyone who doesn't have nuclear weapons.  Since neither BP, nor the health insurance companies, nor the pharmaceutical companies have any nuclear weapons, it makes us look weak to "negotiate" with them.

But it makes us look a lot worse to kiss their behinds, and that's exactly what Joe Barton was doing.  And that's exactly why the Republican leadership threatened to take away his committee chairmanship if he didn't retract his apology.  You can continue to support environmental criminals like BP if you wish, but most Americans consider that to be in bad taste at the moment.

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And there are more "rich" dems in office than "rich" repubs... Just saying...  :tongue:

That may be true; I wouldn't know.  At the moment, it makes no difference to me.  The Democratic Party, it appears to me, is now as beholden to the rich and the powerful as the Republican Party is.  Neither one of them appears to be interested in protecting the interests of "We the People."

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« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2010, 09:50:01 AM »
The Democratic Party, it appears to me, is now as beholden to the rich and the powerful as the Republican Party is.  Neither one of them appears to be interested in protecting the interests of "We the People."

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« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2010, 10:07:16 AM »
One other thing.  When you become a very successful and 'powerful' attorney ..... please do come back and tell us all how much you love paying your income tax.  Make sure you don't take any deductions because that would constitute stealing from the poor.

I don't make a lot of money and I'm far from rich but I can assure you I'm taxed out the ass.  We should stop withholding and force every American worker to write their own tax checks every month.  There would be a tax revolution in this country by the end of the first month.

Which, by the way, is why they won't let companies do it that way.

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« Reply #116 on: July 01, 2010, 10:11:10 AM »
I am not totally opposed to a so-called 'Progressive' income tax scheme, unlike the flat-tax crowd, but the system we have is skewed too far in favor of transfer payments and does need to be broader if not flatter too.  When over half the voters pay llittle or no net income taxes, and are in the position to continue jacking up the rates on the rest, they system is on a toboggan ride to Hell, that is an unsustainable situation.  You may be too young to remember the legacy of the Carter years, but the 70% top income tax rate then essentially capped the level of effort people were willing to put into an endeavor, since after a certain point (A surprisingly low one, I might add, which affected even high earners in the trades) people just weren't willing to work for less than $.30 on the nominal dollar (Not even counting how much more that was reduced by State taxes and other non-income tax deductions).     

First off, thanks for your reasonable response.  I became politically sentient in the early Reagan years, but I have some knowledge of the history of the Federal income tax.  The following graphic is quite telling, I think.



It appears to me that the rich people did just fine (and still had plenty of incentive to make more money) under much more severe income tax schemes than the one we have now.  I simply don't buy the argument that higher tax rates will cause people to try to earn less money.  That has not been my experience, nor is there any historical evidence for that theory.

The income gap between the rich and the poor has been growing (by leaps and bounds) over the past 30 years.  It seems to me that some people are benefitting from this system a lot more than others.  I am glad to hear that you're not necessarily opposed to progressive taxation (as many here undoubtedly are), but I remain of the belief that those who are benefitting most from this society ought to pay the most for it's maintenance.  Sales taxes, property taxes, FICA taxes, flat fees for government services, garbage collection taxes--all these things are a way to disproportionately shift the tax burden to the poor and the middle class.  All the while the rich get richer.  This course, it seems to me, is unsustainable.

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« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2010, 10:34:18 AM »
You cannot compare tax rates from one decade to another, and make an apples to apples conclusion.  The definition of TAXABLE INCOME has changed dramatically.  Someone at the DUmp even pointed this out.  All the loopholes that used to exist, were wiped away. 

I remember back before that big dip from Reagan's tax cut.  A lady I worked with was doing the math, and figured if she quit her job, and just had her husband work, they would make more money.  So, she did.  There went the tax revenues to both fed and state.  Poof. 

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« Reply #118 on: July 01, 2010, 10:39:54 AM »
I don't think most Americans mind paying taxes.  It's when we see those who are getting a free ride (and I mean FREE ride) and all the wasteful government spending we realize just how much is stolen from us.

I've written about a guy in our community who is young and drawing $2,700/month in disability because he's bi polar..... only thing is he is working all the time building fences and such ... on the side.

Anyway, this guy is about to start building a brand new house ... all courtesy the U.S. Tax Payer.  He's even getting 0% down on the deal.

The only good thing about this is he will finally be paying some county taxes so we'll get SOME of our money back.

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« Reply #119 on: July 01, 2010, 10:42:06 AM »
You're right.  I am quite familiar with this POV, and I am aware that it's widespread.  What concerns me, though, is that this righteous anger is misplaced.  Sure, there are some poor people who are ripping us off, abusing the system, using it to their advantage, and who do not deserve public support.  But the wealthy rip us off a lot more than the poor people do.  Look at the TARP.  Look at the S&L crisis ......

This has nothing to do with who has how much money.  Justice is supposed to be blind, right?  So no, fair is fair when it comes to these matters, and confusing individual acts of personal responsibility compared to acts in the business world are not the same.  The idea of "too big to fail" doesn't make me happy, but it is an economic reality.

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I should also add that nobody (and I mean nobody) these days believes in "personal responsibility."  If doctors believed in "personal responsibility" then they wouldn't buy medical malpractice insurance.  If bankers believed in "personal responsibility" then a firm like AIG wouldn't exist to insure their losses.  No, it appears to me that we all believe in "collective responsibility" which is exactly what insurance companies are designed to create.

Voluntary collective responsibility (i.e. I buy insurance that best suits my needs) is still personal responsibility in that you took it upon yourself to act as a reasonable person should.

Laelth, I'm a former Democrat and was quite liberal.  No one's going to convince me that Democrats care more about the regular individual and that liberals care about the poor (and other groups) except to use them as a prop to carry out their ideology.  Liberals could care less about protecting the interests of "We the People."  In fact, they activiely want to turn "we the people" into "those whose lives are controlled by the state."  No, thanks.  That's why I left the party; it was all lip service and lies.  I find the overwhelming majority of people who actually are willing to get their hands dirty to help others are conservatives, and most of them have migrated to the Republican party, and so did I.  To call the Dems the party of the working man and the Repubs the party of the rich/corporations just doesn't apply anymore.  Sorry guy, but I've watched DU for way too long to be convinced that anyone over there cares about anyone other than themselves.  You participate on a board a various malcontnets, kooks, and primarily selfish individuals who only want to know what's in it for them.  To try and tell myself otherwise about those at DU would be to tell myself a lie.  I don't even refer to them as people because real people don't think like they do. I'm not sure what they are, but whatever it is, it's unhealthy.  The type of country that several at DU envision, if we were invaded by a foreign country, I wouldn't be willing to pick up a weapon to defend it.  Why should I fight to remain a slave?

You're in GA and I'm in NC, so because you're a neighbor I have some empathy for what you're saying and you seem like a descent person, but on a side issue do yourself a favor and get off of DU.  That place is toxic.  The only reason to be there is to do as we're doing; read their crap and shake your head at how ridiculous they are.

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« Reply #120 on: July 01, 2010, 10:48:00 AM »
One other thing.  When you become a very successful and 'powerful' attorney ..... please do come back and tell us all how much you love paying your income tax. 

That's uncalled for and detrimental to the decent conversation we've been having. None of us know how successful Laelth is.

I live in a state where a motorcycle helmet is required. Seat belts are also mandatory.  I wear a seat belt and would do so even if it weren't required. A seat belt saved my life. I was a passenger in a car that ran off the road and hit a telephone pole. I would have completely exited the vehicle and hit the pole if it wasn't for my having the belt on. As it were, my face went through the windshield, which resulted in a nice scar on my face.

As to helmets on my bike, if I had a choice, I wouldn't wear one. A crash over 25 mph and you're dead anyway. They're heavy and hot, adding to fatigue. They reduce your hearing and cut down on your peripheral vision.

I call bullshit on this. I rode a bike out in San Diego for a few years. The Navy also required me to wear a helmet whether on base or off base. Hot, yes, but only while stopped. I remember riding in 100°F + weather in El Cajon/ Lakeside and it wasn't bad unless I was stopped. Heavy, maybe. That's where the rider needs to adapt. For the record, I wore gloves, a leather jacket, boots, jeans and a full faced helmet. As far as the crashes over 25 MPH, there are statistics that disprove your statement. The guy I bought my motorcycle from  crashed at 70. All he got was some road rash and a broken arm. As far as peripheral vision, I never had a problem with it. I suppose that poor helmet choices would be a consideration.

As far as farm subsidies, I don't have a problem giving subsidies to the family farmer. However, we are giving subsidies to corporate farms and in my opinion, that's unreasonable. Corporate farms make TONS of money, all on their own. I have to agree with Laelth to some extent. Here we are, doling out BILLIONS of dollars to the banks, the corporations and many people who are simply bilking the system for all they can get, while there are poor people out there suffering. Are there "poor" people also bilking the system?? Certainly!! However, the amount they "steal" pales in comparison to the corporations. I have ZEERO problems with a corporation making money, but when they get unnecessary subsidies from the Government ( ultimately WE the People), that's just bullshit. The military industrial complex comes to mind here... Instead of actrually charging less than their contract allowed because they were able to do it for less, they fill their contract with overcharged equipment, like $600 hammers and $800 toilet seats. As I see it, they screw the American public just so they get ALL of the money the contract initially allowed instead of cutting us a break and charging what was really necessary.
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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #121 on: July 01, 2010, 10:53:20 AM »
I don't think most Americans mind paying taxes.  It's when we see those who are getting a free ride (and I mean FREE ride) and all the wasteful government spending we realize just how much is stolen from us.

I've written about a guy in our community who is young and drawing $2,700/month in disability because he's bi polar..... only thing is he is working all the time building fences and such ... on the side.

Anyway, this guy is about to start building a brand new house ... all courtesy the U.S. Tax Payer.  He's even getting 0% down on the deal.

The only good thing about this is he will finally be paying some county taxes so we'll get SOME of our money back.

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That's one of the flaws in the system. He should be turned in. Unfortunately, there appears that nobody is willing to take action against someone defrauding the system. If someone is on SSDI, they are not allowed to work or if they do, the amount they earn is deducted from their SSDI. And sure, there are many incidents of this type of thing happening. People need to stand up against these frauds and put a stop to it.
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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #122 on: July 01, 2010, 10:54:40 AM »
That's uncalled for and detrimental to the decent conversation we've been having. None of us know how successful Laelth is.


Uhhhhmmmm what?!

What's uncalled for about that?  Laelth has implied she is the 'little guy'.  All I was saying was when she does get successful (and yes I know a lot of attorneys don't) but if/when she does she should keep that in mind.

How that is detrimental to the conversation is beyond me.

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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #123 on: July 01, 2010, 10:57:14 AM »
That's one of the flaws in the system. He should be turned in. Unfortunately, there appears that nobody is willing to take action against someone defrauding the system. If someone is on SSDI, they are not allowed to work or if they do, the amount they earn is deducted from their SSDI. And sure, there are many incidents of this type of thing happening. People need to stand up against these frauds and put a stop to it.

Have you ever looked into turning someone in who is on disability?  I did.  I was going to turn this guy in but there is a slight problem.  IF you turn them in and they determine this person deserves it .... you can be fined for harassment.

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Re: The liberal vultures are circling.
« Reply #124 on: July 01, 2010, 10:59:29 AM »
Okay, here's a concept I simply DO NOT understand. How can any business be "too big to fail"? That's nuts and anti-capitalist. All my life when one company has gone under another has come in to take it's place. Those companies that received government monies have become a slush fund for various enterprises. AIG is nothing more than a place for money-laundering so the precious hands of government don't sully themselves when passing out money to their biggest campaign contributors or big corps where their buddies work. Bailing them out hasn't done ONE, not one thing to help the economy or the citizens whose labor made those bailouts possible.

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