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SoCalDem   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jun-22-10 07:40 PM
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Armed Forces Radio & their long-standing "association" with Limbaugh. This radio station is the "soundtrack" of the military and a home to Limbaugh's non-stop hate , and it has always been that way . Eight years of Clinton-bashing followed by 8 years of Bush-love , and a seamless segue into Obama-hate.

There are so very many young people who are left out of society, and who see the military as their only way to make a living, and who probably are quite suggestible.. the military teaches them to be that way.

When they hear their own superiors being disrespectful, it only reinforces the rightwing garbage they hear on the radio.

Rush-the-entertainer is anything but, and his flavor of propaganda is dangerous for a military that is run by and answerable to the civilian branch of government. This is the stuff of coup d'etats, and of 3rd world governments, where the military run the show..
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 12:37:41 PM »
Uh, could be because every single one since Kennedy is a damned traitor!
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2010, 12:38:55 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2010, 12:49:31 PM »
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
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Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military

Personally I think it's really because they are vote-whoring Godfathers to domestic Left-aligned special interest groups, and they have almost as much understanding and concern about foreign affairs, the military, and strategic issues as your average housecat, but maybe that's just me. 
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 01:11:25 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost positive Rush is only on Armed Forces radio 1 hour per day.

Yep, just googled it and got this from the progressives lovefest known as wikipedia:

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On May 26, 2004, the article "Rush's Forced Conscripts" appeared on the online news and opinion magazine Salon.com.[45] The article discussed the controversy surrounding the fact that American Forces Radio and Television Service (AFRTS), (which describes itself as "[providing] stateside radio and television programming, 'a touch of home', to U.S. service men and women, DoD civilians, and their families serving outside the continental United States"), carries the first hour of Limbaugh's show. Melvin Russell, director of AFRTS, defended Limbaugh's presence, by pointing to Limbaugh's high ratings in the US: "We look at the most popular shows broadcast here in the United States and try to mirror that. [Limbaugh] is the No. 1 talk show host in the States; there's no question about that. Because of that we provide him on our service." In addition, AFRTS produced a ballot of radio and television shows asking troops worldwide, "Who do you want that we don't at present carry?" The Rush Limbaugh Show was not listed on the ballot, but won the vote as a write-in by the troops. A later poll by Lund Media Research found that a majority of soldiers preferred that talk show programs be replaced by hip hop and rap stations, bringing into question the future of content such as the
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 01:12:04 PM »
Personally I think it's really because they are vote-whoring Godfathers to domestic Left-aligned special interest groups, and they have almost as much understanding and concern about foreign affairs, the military, and strategic issues as your average housecat, but maybe that's just me. 

Yep. Most Demonrat presidents get elected by pandering to the anti-military left.

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 01:14:00 PM »
Also it looks like Ed Schultz does have a show on Armed Forces Radio as does Alan Colmes, here's a list of the shows on AFR:

http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/AFNRadio.aspx
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 01:20:41 PM »
Oh, and SoCalDem you need to look in the mirror when you wonder why the Military disrespects Democrats, when you see Progressives trying to get recruiters off campuses, when you see signs against the Military at anti-war protests, see zombietime for the pics http://zombietime.com/, you have the nerve to even broach a subject like that?
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2010, 01:28:27 PM »
And under the new rules posted by Skinner:

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6. Because they're autocrats. They have an elitest attitude
   that is unhealthy. Our military has been moving in a direction that reminds me of a military dictatorship. They are a junta with a coup just waiting to happen. We've already seen the first sign. The nukes which were ready to be flown to Europe.

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   The US military is a junta waiting to happen? WTF ever.
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22. I live among lots of ex-military and active Air Force.
   They act like a guild around here. They take care of their own, regardless of what positions they have in the community. I'm sorry, but when they do the kind of things they do around here, they deserve a critical eye.

Keep in mind, I was born and raised on a military base. This ain't my daddy's military.

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15. the most clueless wingnut morans I've ever heard
   were either active duty or new veterans. Not dissing the troops. just sayin'

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2010, 01:38:10 PM »
C'mon Skimmer! Enforce your frikkin' rules! Remove these diaper rashed DUmbasses from your lock step little club!

If you don't, all your BS from the other day is nothing more than an exercise in hypocrisy!

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2010, 01:44:35 PM »
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Armed Forces Radio & their long-standing "association" with Limbaugh. This radio station is the "soundtrack" of the military and a home to Limbaugh's non-stop hate , and it has always been that way . Eight years of Clinton-bashing followed by 8 years of Bush-love , and a seamless segue into Obama-hate.

Ok SoCalIdiot...since you seem to be one of the slow blinkers over there...let me set you straight on this one more time.

First off it's American Forces Network...not Armed.  Schmuck. :whatever:

Secondly...AFN Radio didn't start carrying Limbaugh until around 1993.  There is no "long standing relationship".  It less than 20 years old.

All we get is the first hour...at 8pm at night...on the AM frequency.  Guess what is immediately following his show?  Ed "Mr. Ed" Schultz!

Rush is surrounded by hours of programming from NPR...and AP.

On the television side we're luck to get two well separated block of Fox News programming on the AFN News Channel.  While we don't get O'Reilly or Hannity...we do get the lunatic rantings of Queef Uberdork...Meaty Fingers Maddow...Mimbo Rick Sanchez...Tweety Matthews and the rest of the Libtard media of CNN MSNBC and so on.

If anything the men and women and the family members of the U.S. Armed Forces that live overseas are forcibly indoctrinated with left wing Libtard blather that denigrates what we do...who we are and what we stand for...while those husbands and wives wearing the uniform are on foreign soil dying and wounded.

So **** YOU and your crap about a "soundtrack of hate" from the right.  If you're scared of one solitary hour of Rush Limbaugh on a scratch 10,000 watt AM signal in the middle of Bavaria...you're a spineless douche bag who has bigger issues than what the troops listen to on tv and radio.


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There are so very many young people who are left out of society, and who see the military as their only way to make a living, and who probably are quite suggestible.. the military teaches them to be that way.

Hey chucklehead...I left a management position with Clear Channel radio...running an R&R reporting station to come BACK into the military.

**** you for suggesting that we're soft minded sheep with no other alternatives in life when you don't have the sack to do even MY job much less that of an 11...13 or 19 series soldier.
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2010, 01:46:05 PM »
C'mon Skimmer! Enforce your frikkin' rules! Remove these diaper rashed DUmbasses from your lock step little club!

If you don't, all your BS from the other day is nothing more than an exercise in hypocrisy!
The only rules I see you and your partners in crime enforcing are the ones where they diss dear leader!
Come on you act like you expected a real backbone, this is the DUmp after all.  :fuelfire:
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2010, 01:47:51 PM »
Ok SoCalIdiot...since you seem to be one of the slow blinkers over there...let me set you straight on this one more time.

First off it's American Forces Network...not Armed.  Schmuck. :whatever:

Secondly...AFN Radio didn't start carrying Limbaugh until around 1993.  There is no "long standing relationship".  It less than 20 years old.

All we get is the first hour...at 8pm at night...on the AM frequency.  Guess what is immediately following his show?  Ed "Mr. Ed" Schultz!

Rush is surrounded by hours of programming from NPR...and AP.

On the television side we're luck to get two well separated block of Fox News programming on the AFN News Channel.  While we don't get O'Reilly or Hannity...we do get the lunatic rantings of Queef Uberdork...Meaty Fingers Maddow...Mimbo Rick Sanchez...Tweety Matthews and the rest of the Libtard media of CNN MSNBC and so on.

If anything the men and women and the family members of the U.S. Armed Forces that live overseas are forcibly indoctrinated with left wing Libtard blather that denigrates what we do...who we are and what we stand for...while those husbands and wives wearing the uniform are on foreign soil dying and wounded.

So **** YOU and your crap about a "soundtrack of hate" from the right.  If you're scared of one solitary hour of Rush Limbaugh on a scratch 10,000 watt AM signal in the middle of Bavaria...you're a spineless douche bag who has bigger issues than what the troops listen to on tv and radio.


Hey chucklehead...I left a management position with Clear Channel radio...running an R&R reporting station to come BACK into the military.

**** you for suggesting that we're soft minded sheep with no other alternatives in life when you don't have the sack to do even MY job much less that of an 11...13 or 19 series soldier.

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2010, 01:52:01 PM »
Is it bad to wish these people would stand in the target path of a Hellcat?

They'd have to be pretty old to stand in range of an F6F . . .
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2010, 01:54:52 PM »
Ok SoCalIdiot...since you seem to be one of the slow blinkers over there...let me set you straight on this one more time.

First off it's American Forces Network...not Armed.  Schmuck. :whatever:

Secondly...AFN Radio didn't start carrying Limbaugh until around 1993.  There is no "long standing relationship".  It less than 20 years old.

All we get is the first hour...at 8pm at night...on the AM frequency.  Guess what is immediately following his show?  Ed "Mr. Ed" Schultz!

Rush is surrounded by hours of programming from NPR...and AP.

On the television side we're luck to get two well separated block of Fox News programming on the AFN News Channel.  While we don't get O'Reilly or Hannity...we do get the lunatic rantings of Queef Uberdork...Meaty Fingers Maddow...Mimbo Rick Sanchez...Tweety Matthews and the rest of the Libtard media of CNN MSNBC and so on.

If anything the men and women and the family members of the U.S. Armed Forces that live overseas are forcibly indoctrinated with left wing Libtard blather that denigrates what we do...who we are and what we stand for...while those husbands and wives wearing the uniform are on foreign soil dying and wounded.

So **** YOU and your crap about a "soundtrack of hate" from the right.  If you're scared of one solitary hour of Rush Limbaugh on a scratch 10,000 watt AM signal in the middle of Bavaria...you're a spineless douche bag who has bigger issues than what the troops listen to on tv and radio.


Hey chucklehead...I left a management position with Clear Channel radio...running an R&R reporting station to come BACK into the military.

**** you for suggesting that we're soft minded sheep with no other alternatives in life when you don't have the sack to do even MY job much less that of an 11...13 or 19 series soldier.

One of the greatest regrets of my life was being incapacitated to the point the military would not take me. ( 3" screw in my ankle, when I was 18 Took me close to 2 years to walk again without a cane) The education they were offering at the time would have set me up for life! Instead, I ended up bustin' my butt in construction for 30 years.
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2010, 01:55:58 PM »
Is it bad to wish these people would stand in the target path of a Hellcat?

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it personally.
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2010, 01:58:00 PM »
Oh jeez I wish they'd get a new meme. Perhaps it's this very stereotype from the left (and from the top down) that's responsible for their disdain. Couldn't be because they accuse the military of being murderers, or uneducated louts (wonder how many of them could score high on the ASVAB or get through the extremely difficult Defense Language Institute, etc.). When you automatically decide a group is stupid and impressionable (sort of like the 2nd graders their side is busy indoctrinating) logic would dictate said group wouldn't have a whole lot of respect for them either. But logic to the DUmmies is like holy water to the antichrist.

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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2010, 02:03:56 PM »
Oh jeez I wish they'd get a new meme. Perhaps it's this very stereotype from the left (and from the top down) that's responsible for their disdain. Couldn't be because they accuse the military of being murderers, or uneducated louts (wonder how many of them could score high on the ASVAB or get through the extremely difficult Defense Language Institute, etc.). When you automatically decide a group is stupid and impressionable (sort of like the 2nd graders their side is busy indoctrinating) logic would dictate said group wouldn't have a whole lot of respect for them either. But logic to the DUmmies is like holy water to the antichrist.

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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2010, 02:06:14 PM »
Oh jeez I wish they'd get a new meme. Perhaps it's this very stereotype from the left (and from the top down) that's responsible for their disdain. Couldn't be because they accuse the military of being murderers, or uneducated louts (wonder how many of them could score high on the ASVAB or get through the extremely difficult Defense Language Institute, etc.). When you automatically decide a group is stupid and impressionable (sort of like the 2nd graders their side is busy indoctrinating) logic would dictate said group wouldn't have a whole lot of respect for them either. But logic to the DUmmies is like holy water to the antichrist.

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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2010, 02:13:49 PM »
Well.....I, for one, would like to answer the DUmmie's question.

Having been born during WW II, I would posit that most of the Democrat presidents that held office after Truman were either wimps, cowards, micromanaging fools, manifestly incompetent, pacifistic, or a combination of all of these characteristics.

Pretty much to a man (with the exception of JFK) they universally demonstrated a subtle disdain for the military, which, when observed, was just as subtly returned by our men and women in uniform.

THAT.....denizens of the DUmp, is  the reason that Dem presidents are not well respected by the military......

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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2010, 02:53:26 PM »
Well.....I, for one, would like to answer the DUmmie's question.

Having been born during WW II, I would posit that most of the Democrat presidents that held office after Truman were either wimps, cowards, micromanaging fools, manifestly incompetent, pacifistic, or a combination of all of these characteristics.

Pretty much to a man (with the exception of JFK) they universally demonstrated a subtle disdain for the military, which, when observed, was just as subtly returned by our men and women in uniform.

THAT.....denizens of the DUmp, is  the reason that Dem presidents are not well respected by the military......

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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2010, 03:04:18 PM »
Ya know, while we're on the subject..........Isn't this admin doing basically the same ****ed up thing as the Johnson admin?

Aren't they tellin' the military which targets, who or what to shoot, tying the hands behind the back of our soldiers and dictating to airmen who or what they can target, in order to appease the left wing lunatics?

The admin is so afraid of pissin' off the left, they are willing to sacrifice our warriors in order to not piss off the anti-war left!

Johnson and McNamara did the same damn thing! They made Hanoi off limits to bombing raids even though they had anti aircraft missiles lining the streets!
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2010, 05:08:34 PM »
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   were either active duty or new veterans. Not dissing the troops. just sayin'

I remember once upon a time when (c. 2004) when active military service trumped all other considerations when it came to judging matters of the war, the military and national security.

Now, I'm barely smart enough to tie my own boots.

Gosh! I wonder what changed?
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Re: Why democratic presidents are disrespected within the military
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2010, 05:15:35 PM »
Ya know, while we're on the subject..........Isn't this admin doing basically the same ****ed up thing as the Johnson admin?

Aren't they tellin' the military which targets, who or what to shoot, tying the hands behind the back of our soldiers and dictating to airmen who or what they can target, in order to appease the left wing lunatics?

The admin is so afraid of pissin' off the left, they are willing to sacrifice our warriors in order to not piss off the anti-war left!

Johnson and McNamara did the same damn thing! They made Hanoi off limits to bombing raids even though they had anti aircraft missiles lining the streets!

The situations are similar, but unlike each other in a number of ways.....

First, LBJ was a sublimely STUPID man, he was simply not capable of involving himself in military strategy, McNamara was an academic and a theoretician, also not equipped for the job, as he later admitted.  Johnson would have done well to let his military leaders lead, and leave them alone......but his ego, and lack of native intelligence would not allow that.

Second, the war was a "conventional" one, to an extent, and although the enemy tactics were different, they were well within the purview and capability of the American military at the time......as demonstrated by the fact that we never actually "lost" a major campaign there, nor did we lose the war......we simply gave up, and left it to collapse.  This is the eventual result that I fear the most about the campaign in Afghanistan.

For all of his foibles, Obama is not stupid......he has intelligence, however, his every move is motivated by "politics", and not the art of war.  He is much more concerned with how HE will look politically, than how his ultimate actions effect the eventual outcome of the war.  This war is an "unconventional" conflict, where there are NO national players, and it is simply an unending series of small-unit insurgencies, with combatants that hide among, and are supported by members of the native population.

War is all about "killing people, and breaking things", and short of the niceties of the Geneva Convention, the manner in which wars need to be conducted, is largely without restraint.  In Obama's world, war can only be fought if nobody inadvertently gets hurt, and no actions are taken that result in uncomfortable political ramifications for HIM, and his party.  To that degree, the two are similar, but there is where the similarity ends.

Not even the best military leaders can win a war with their hands tied behind their backs,, and I fear that this is Obama's style.......he views his image as far more important than getting the job done......

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