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« on: June 16, 2010, 01:57:02 PM »
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Senator aims to force unemployed to take drug tests
   
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By John Byrne
Wednesday, June 16th, 2010 -- 10:01 am

Though the Clinton Administration passed a law years ago allowing states to test welfare recipients for drug abuse, one Republican senator wants to go farther: require drug tests of anyone who applies for government assistance.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) offered an amendment Tuesday that would require drug tests for those who seek welfare and unemployment benefits. States have the authority to enact drug testing requirements for their welfare programs under the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, signed into law by President Bill Clinton, but they are not mandated to conduct tests under current law.
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Oregone   (1000+ posts)           Wed Jun-16-10 02:49 PM
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I couldn't pass one with a job...sure as hell couldn't pass one unemployed.


What business is it of the governments what I do with all my unemployed free time?

It's new.

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 01:58:21 PM »
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What business is it of the governments what I do with all my unemployed free time?

It's an old expression, but a good one--"You take the king's coin, you do the king's bidding."
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 02:02:54 PM »
I agree with Hatch on this.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 02:06:32 PM »
I agree with Hatch on this.

I think almost all of us do on this board.

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 02:28:47 PM »
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Oregone   (1000+ posts)           Wed Jun-16-10 02:49 PM
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I couldn't pass one with a job...sure as hell couldn't pass one unemployed.


What business is it of the governments what I do with all my unemployed free time?

Uh, aren't ya 'sposed to be at least "lookin'" for a job, asshat?

Heaven forbid ya get your worthless ass off the couch and put down the doobie! Sheesh, how dare they ask ya to do somethin'!
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 02:29:13 PM »
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I couldn't pass one with a job...sure as hell couldn't pass one unemployed.

What business is it of the governments what I do with all my unemployed free time?

Why does Oregoner care?  I thought he skipped out to Canada a year or 2 ago . . .
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 02:31:19 PM »
I've pushed this idea for over twenty years.
When you are the beneficiary of someone’s kindness and generosity, it produces a sense of gratitude and community.

When you are the beneficiary of a policy that steals from someone and gives it to you in return for your vote, it produces a sense of entitlement and dependency.

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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2010, 02:38:25 PM »
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I couldn't pass one with a job...sure as hell couldn't pass one unemployed.

What business is it of the governments what I do with all my unemployed free time?

I have to say I'm feeling like a hypocrite here, Oregone's post ticks me off, if the Government is giving you OUR money then we have a right to expect you to do the right thing with that money, and buying drugs with that money isn't the right thing. I'm feeling like a hypocrite because I posted in another thread that I buy cigarettes for the homeless people and give them a couple of dollars even though I know they're going to buy alcohol with it, so why am I ticked at 1 instance but not the other instance?
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2010, 02:42:54 PM »
I've pushed this idea for over twenty years.

You and me both buddy,  you and me both.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 02:44:04 PM »
I have to say I'm feeling like a hypocrite here, Oregone's post ticks me off, if the Government is giving you OUR money then we have a right to expect you to do the right thing with that money, and buying drugs with that money isn't the right thing. I'm feeling like a hypocrite because I posted in another thread that I buy cigarettes for the homeless people and give them a couple of dollars even though I know they're going to buy alcohol with it, so why am I ticked at 1 instance but not the other instance?

Because you have the right to do whatever you want with your money, as you earned it.  Oregoner didn't earn a dang thing, so he has no say.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 02:52:25 PM »
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I couldn't pass one with a job...sure as hell couldn't pass one unemployed.


What business is it of the governments what I do with all my unemployed free time?
It is like this brainiac moonbat - you can pour molten lead in your ears, drink Drano, and snort used cat litter all you want. *IF* however you are a parasite on the backs of the TAXPAYER and can find the resources to fund your weed-feed, you can fund your own food-feed.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 02:53:19 PM »
Because you have the right to do whatever you want with your money, as you earned it.  Oregoner didn't earn a dang thing, so he has no say.

True, it's not like I think it's right for the Government to do that.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2010, 02:54:37 PM »
many people can lose their jobs for what they do on their own time. Employers often expect you to represent their values... and if you don't, then you should find new employment.

Now, in this case it's a catch-22. Because someone sitting at home smoking dope on the public dole due to nothing but refusal to take responbility... well... that's kind of inline with this goverment's values... So in that sense, I can get the complaint.

Personally, I like to think that those on welfare work for me. I'm helping foot the bill, afterall. So I'd like them to represent my values... and I have a very simple way to make that happen.

Anyone on Welfare works 3 days a week, 12 hours days, doing the jobs that even Steve Roe won't try on his show. Picking up cigarrette butts on the street, cleaning ditches, doing my dishes and starching my shirt collars. THEN they attend school 4 hours a night after their shift.

Three days during the week, they "babysit" another welfare recipients offspring while he/she works and goes to school.

They get Sunday off.

Everybody wins.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2010, 02:58:10 PM »
I have to say I'm feeling like a hypocrite here, Oregone's post ticks me off, if the Government is giving you OUR money then we have a right to expect you to do the right thing with that money, and buying drugs with that money isn't the right thing. I'm feeling like a hypocrite because I posted in another thread that I buy cigarettes for the homeless people and give them a couple of dollars even though I know they're going to buy alcohol with it, so why am I ticked at 1 instance but not the other instance?
You are NOT being hypocritical at all.
You are giving of your own free will AFTER the government extorts taxes from you so the Red Diaper Doper Baby can sit on his parasitic ass, smoke weed, and eat munchies all day.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2010, 03:04:27 PM »
many people can lose their jobs for what they do on their own time. Employers often expect you to represent their values... and if you don't, then you should find new employment.

Now, in this case it's a catch-22. Because someone sitting at home smoking dope on the public dole due to nothing but refusal to take responbility... well... that's kind of inline with this goverment's values... So in that sense, I can get the complaint.

Personally, I like to think that those on welfare work for me. I'm helping foot the bill, afterall. So I'd like them to represent my values... and I have a very simple way to make that happen.

Anyone on Welfare works 3 days a week, 12 hours days, doing the jobs that even Steve Roe won't try on his show. Picking up cigarrette butts on the street, cleaning ditches, doing my dishes and starching my shirt collars. THEN they attend school 4 hours a night after their shift.

Three days during the week, they "babysit" another welfare recipients offspring while he/she works and goes to school.

They get Sunday off.

Everybody wins.


I agree with you completely, with one minor exception.  It is Mike Rowe, not Steve Roe.

That is all.   :cheersmate:
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2010, 04:07:02 PM »

I agree with you completely, with one minor exception.  It is Mike Rowe, not Steve Roe.

That is all.   :cheersmate:

No CLUE where I got Steve Roe from. soooooo close to a profound and entertaining point... yet so far.....  :thatsright:

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2010, 04:11:29 PM »
I have to say I'm feeling like a hypocrite here, Oregone's post ticks me off, if the Government is giving you OUR money then we have a right to expect you to do the right thing with that money, and buying drugs with that money isn't the right thing. I'm feeling like a hypocrite because I posted in another thread that I buy cigarettes for the homeless people and give them a couple of dollars even though I know they're going to buy alcohol with it, so why am I ticked at 1 instance but not the other instance?

I agree with the others above - what you are doing is charitable, and your own decision as to how to spend your money. The other involves the government spending our tax dollars for us.

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2010, 04:24:31 PM »
Last time this came up I said this, if I have to piss in a cup (or give a hair sample) in order to receive my paycheck they can do the same damn thing.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2010, 04:29:32 PM »
Last time this came up I said this, if I have to piss in a cup (or give a hair sample) in order to receive my paycheck they can do the same damn thing.



Most employers require a drug test before being hired. Every welfare form should come with it's own little cup.

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2010, 05:27:53 PM »
It's bad enough that Uncle Sam rips off those that work without the work-less using OUR money on drugs.  Just look at the harm drug trafficking has done our country...and Mexico!  To have that done with money that was stolen from taxpayers is a double blow.
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2010, 06:46:58 PM »
I agree with the others above - what you are doing is charitable, and your own decision as to how to spend your money. The other involves the government spending our tax dollars for us.

There are times that "piling on" is done in a bad sense.  I'm "piling on" in a good sense.  I fully agree with Miskie and the others who agree with you.
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2010, 07:47:29 PM »
But what is the cost of this drug testing for the unemployed?  And who pays for it?  Is the cost of drug testing the unemployed worth it?  What is the societal gain?

These are the first thoughts that came to mind as I have never really thought of this and on it's face I oppose it.  Interesting though.


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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2010, 07:48:54 PM »
But what is the cost of this drug testing for the unemployed?  And who pays for it?  Is the cost of drug testing the unemployed worth it?  What is the societal gain?

These are the first thoughts that came to mind as I have never really thought of this and on it's face I oppose it.  Interesting though.



The number of people dropped from welfare rolls will cover the cost of the tests.

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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2010, 07:51:06 PM »
But what is the cost of this drug testing for the unemployed?  And who pays for it?  Is the cost of drug testing the unemployed worth it?  What is the societal gain?

These are the first thoughts that came to mind as I have never really thought of this and on it's face I oppose it.  Interesting though.


Considering the number that would lose benefits for failing drug tests, it can just be added on to the already massive expense of government.  We'd come out ahead, in the end.  Of course, that'll just give our government more incentive to waste money in another area...but at least taxpayer dollars wouldn't be funding the violence on the Mexican border and supporting criminals.
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2010, 08:17:27 PM »
The number of people dropped from welfare rolls will cover the cost of the tests.

If you can afford drugs, you don't need welfare.

Call it fraud prevention. Well worth the investment.