...and DUmmies defend it, including our favorite bug****er, the patriotic mike_c:
ColesCountyDem (967 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:06 PM
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Breaking: Hamas turns away humanitarian aid delivered today:
IDF: Hamas stops flotilla aid delivered by Israel
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 2, 2010 2:03 p.m. EDT
Jerusalem (CNN) -- Israel has attempted to deliver humanitarian aid from an international flotilla to Gaza, but Hamas -- which controls the territory -- has refused to accept the cargo, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.
Palestinian sources confirmed that trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid.
Ra'ed Fatooh, in charge of the crossings, and Jamal Khudari, head of a committee against the Gaza blockade, said Israel must release all flotilla detainees and that it will be accepted in the territory only by the Free Gaza Movement people who organized the flotilla.
Israel said it had 20 trucks of aid found on the ships, such as expired medications, clothing, blankets, some medical equipment and toys.
More:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/02/israel.palest...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8470958To be fair, two or three DUers, including the OP (who probably has a granite cookie in is future), tell it like it is, only to be rebuffed.
wingnut40 (24 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:07 PM
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1. why would they turn away aid?
mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:14 PM
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10. because it's offered by their oppressors?
Just a guess. Let's see-- an outside agency attempts to deliver humanitarian aid to an Israeli ghetto, the Israelis kill a few humanitarians and imprison the rest, interdict the aid and pick through it to decide what THEY deem acceptable and what's not, then attempt to deliver the aid themselves, undermining world attention upon the circumstance that THEY THEMSELVES MAKE SUCH AID NECESSARY. The ghetto prisoners refuse to accept handouts from their oppressors.
Don't worry. In a few more months or years they'll be so starved and beaten into submission that they'll be glad for any crumbs the Israelis want to allow them.
That's a very noble position to take, especially while those who are hungry or sick have no say in the matter.
ColesCountyDem (967 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:19 PM
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13. So, it's OK to ignore the actual welfare of the people you allegedly represent?
Gotcha!
:eyes:
mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:23 PM
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15. blame the victims, change the subject, full spin ahead....
I repeat-- ISRAEL itself creates that problem with the "welfare" of Gazans. Blame the oppressors, not the victims.
ColesCountyDem (967 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:26 PM
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18. Just calling a spade a spade, my friend.
That IS what Hamas is doing, regardless of how you spin it. Hamas-- NOT Israel-- is denying this aid shipment to the people whose welfare is allegedly their primary concern.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but your are not entitled to your own facts, friend.
mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:33 PM
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26. utter BS, spun from whole cloth....
Edited on Wed Jun-02-10 03:34 PM by mike_c
Did Hamas attack the aid convoy? Did Hamas kill civilian relief workers during an act of piracy? Does Hamas hold international humanitarians prisoner for attempting to relieve the suffering of Palestinians? For that matter, has Hamas embargoed Gaza?
Please. Don't treat me like an idiot. We both know that Israel's attempted "delivery" of humanitarian aid it stole from the relief convoy was a cynical ploy to produce just the sort of PR misdirection that you've obliged them with. The Gazans are still strong enough to resist. Give the ghetto a little more time to starve them down. Then they'll take anything, from anyone, including their apartheid oppressors. Then you can be proud.
You mean
the Hamas leaders, who are no doubt well-fed and cared for, are still strong enough to resist.
ColesCountyDem (967 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:35 PM
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28. I'm not treating you like an idiot, but you can't deny the facts of the matter.
Hamas, not Israel, denied this aid shipment to its own people.
Be as outraged as you like, but you can't alter that fact one iota.
"Governments can err, Presidents do make mistakes, but the immortal Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted in different scales. Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the constant omission of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference." --Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:41 PM
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37. deny the "fact sof the matter?"
Edited on Wed Jun-02-10 03:41 PM by mike_c
This conversation just gets more surreal every minute. You've utterly refused to discuss the "facts of the matter" in any sort of meaningful context. You want to extract one "fact" and warp its meaning in isolation. Be my guest. The rest of the world is not fooled.
You know, I was once a staunch supporter of Israel. Now, I will dance on its grave. That's what Israeli oppression and tyranny have engendered. You and I can argue all day long, without result. I will still dance on Israel's grave some day unless it becomes a legitimate partner in regional and world peace instead of an apartheid oppressor preventing peace at every opportunity. That is the reality that most of the world sees and understands. Bury your head all you like. No one else believes you except those who have already compromised their moral standing to the point of participating in any lie, just for the sake of propping up their delusions.
So, can we expect bug****er to suit up and join the Freedom Fightersâ„¢ soon? Or is he a Kentucky Fried Chickenhawk?
Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:38 PM
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34. Hamas kills plenty of civilians in Israel and Gaza
Whatever your beef with Israel may be to offer blanket, uncritical support for a group that murders its own citizens is ridiculous.
And sorry, but food is food. You might as well tell people not to use food stamps anytime a republican sits in the White House.
I don't have fun, I AM FUN. People have me.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:46 PM
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41. yes, we all watched as Hamas attacked and kidnapped civilian relief workers...
Edited on Wed Jun-02-10 03:46 PM by mike_c
...and international activists on the high seas. I especially liked the bits where Hamas boogymen slid down ropes and shot unarmed aid personnel.
Give it up. Israel is exposed as an apartheid regime bent upon genocide-- slow, undramatic genocide-- of Gazans.
You left out the part where the "unarmed aid personnel" were trying to beat the soldiers to death with metal pipes.
librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:47 PM
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44. Ding ding--they can withhold what the Israelis want (a pass on the arrests)
in order to get what they want, which is the detainees released--the humanitarian aid is less important, buy far, than the human lives)
Persaonally, that call is correct and took a lot of guts to enforce, with the Gaza strip starving.
Israel needs to own up to its mistake and correct it. Returning the seized aid materials on the flotilla is only part of the mistake they need to correct.
Yeah, it takes a lot of guts to deny your people aid from outside countries simply because it's Israel delivering it.
Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:54 PM
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49. It's called "solidarity." Pity so many DUers have no idea what that means.
I doubt the hungry and sick in Gaza would have such high-minded ideals of "solidarity" if polled about this latest action by the murderous Hamas. I also doubt the Hamas leadership are going hungry too on their people's behalf.
laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 04:22 PM
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69. FGS, it doesn't even require clicking the link to find it.
They want the aid workers released. So do I.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 05:05 PM
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91. Because they are waiting for the hostages to be released first.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0601/Af...
So cutting off their noses to spite their face accomplishes that how, exactly?
Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 05:53 PM
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135. Normal human pride. Palestinian pride is a huge problem for Israel
I wouldn't accept even a pin from my oppressors.
Expired medications, clothing probably used and unwashed. No, you keep it and respect their human rights.
It's not coming from their "oppressors" ya idiot. It's just being delivered by Israel. So easy to say what you'd accept while sitting on your fat, well-fed ass in the good ol' USA. Just so long as there's a slim chance it might make Israel look bad, right?
leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:30 PM
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22. Meanwhile, their people are hungry
A PR stunt is obviously more important to them. Same as always.
One more DUmmy gets it anyway.
ColesCountyDem (967 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:46 PM
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42. And the people they profess to care about go hungry. n/t
"Governments can err, Presidents do make mistakes, but the immortal Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted in different scales. Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the constant omission of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference." --Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 05:09 PM
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98. What a busy little person you are.
So, do you always post IDF press releases here?
I'll have to watch out for them. 
Yes Liz, be sure to look for a chance to alert on someone rather than actually think about something. You ignorant twit.
lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:09 PM
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3. Netanyahu shot himself in the foot.
Hamas is in no hurry to help him dress the wound.
T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:12 PM
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5. If only that asshole would aim about six feet higher.... nt
Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:32 PM
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25. Accepting the stolen cargo would amount to sanctioning the blockade.
Just so stupid it beggars belief. Or it would if it came from any other site.
mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 04:14 PM
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60. I hope that was meant as sarcasm....
There were no weapons in that cargo. Nothing but humanitarian aid for starving civilians. The convoy was joined by journalists, Nobel laureates, world leaders, people who have dedicated their lives to the cause of peace and ending human suffering. You'd really hope for their murder? So that Israel can continue starving the people of Gaza?
If that isn't sarcasm, it's just added significantly to my cynicism about the future of humankind, something that I would not have thought possible before today!
Except for the body armor and night vision goggles. Maybe they were cherry-flavored.
Confusious (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 03:55 PM
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51. Israel trying to cleanup after a ****up
Hamas isn't stupid.
CarlaLevin (29 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-02-10 05:15 PM
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106. The two incidents can't be compared but are related
There is no defense for the heartbreakingly tragic and heavy handed Israeli commando raid but I think this turning away of humanitarian aid because it is in Israeli trucks clearly shows that Hamas is more interested in making political points than in alleviating the suffereing of the people it was elected to represent.
You only have 29 posts. Who cares what you think, TROLL.
This is what's so vile about these dickheads. In their quest to create a utopian world they'd have no qualms whatsoever about murdering or starving whole swaths of people for the sake of symbolism or to punish those who don't share their ideals. It's the same principle as their views on "torture".
