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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2010, 03:32:01 PM »
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2010, 03:53:17 PM »
Here is what I don't get. Why doesn't Israel make Gaza Strip and West Banks part of Israel and Palestinians under Israeli rule. The Palestinians are living under a dictatorship that feeds hate day in day out. I see the Palestinians as pawns by other Arab nations, like Saudi Arabia and to some extent Al-Qaeda. Have they done anything for the Palestinians? No! They treat like second class citizens and they could care less for them.
Things are too far gone for that to happen. the hate is too intense.
No palestinian state will bring peace. I believe Israel will need to either destroy Gaza or drive the palestinians out.
Right now Israel has an army in their midst...There is no hope for peace.

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2010, 04:20:20 PM »
Things are too far gone for that to happen. the hate is too intense.
No palestinian state will bring peace. I believe Israel will need to either destroy Gaza or drive the palestinians out.
Right now Israel has an army in their midst...There is no hope for peace.

It is hopeless at this point.
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2010, 04:21:59 PM »
It is hopeless at this point.

There are too many outside agitators wanting the destruction  of Israel that use the Palestinians as their tool.

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2010, 05:10:47 PM »
If they were smart they should have gave the Isreali Navy orders to sink the boats with torpedoes
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2010, 05:51:23 PM »
FNC was saying that these Israeli commandos were using crowd dispersal weapons--paintball guns, in effect, and they had handguns on them.  The "activists" took two of the handguns, and the Israeli commandos found both of them--unloaded (they were probably fired at the Israelis).

They probably killed some of their own people too. Propaganda.

THESE people wanted to be martyred, check this out from before the "clash":

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk[/youtube]


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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2010, 06:24:32 PM »
Being protected for years by the US . . .

Yep. They live in the umbrella of protection the US provides, then pretend that they are above and beyond the need for a strong military. Europe, with the exception of Great Britain and the Eastern European countries, has forgotten the cost of freedom.

Now we'll hear the whining of the left, including 0, about the poor "peaceful" protesters. The left will martyr those nine or ten. Too bad there weren't more martyrs made.

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2010, 06:44:18 PM »
The terrorist sympathizing cocksuckers ought to be damn happy the Israelis didn't just say "**** it" and sink the ships
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2010, 06:46:37 PM »
I think certain of the activists should be held for long prison terms. notably the euro-weenie legislators and leftist activists. The ships should be scuttled at sea.

this is an orchestrated event that can only lead to war...its a deliberate ploy and the media cannot be trusted to tell the truth. The muslims love to be the victims and they are playing the victim card to the hilt.

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2010, 07:04:11 PM »
Of course this is a ploy, propaganda by the Islamists. If you add all the sources of funds from outside Gaza that aid the Arabs there it works out to about $18,000 per person, annually yet the average annual income is  $3,000. It is planned, and the Israeli's need to start parading out the weapons captured and cash recovered, interview the soldiers in ther hospital, release the correspondence, etc etc.. Mr. Obama is curretly paralized by continuous failure internationally, and can only run his mouth.

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2010, 07:14:29 PM »
http://dcist.com/2010/05/protesters_gather_at_israeli_embass.php 

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Protesters led by several organizations gathered in front of the Israeli Embassy near Van Ness this afternoon in response to the deaths of nine pro-Palestinian activists by Israeli naval commandos while seizing control of their ship. The vast majority of the protesters were comprised of members from ANSWER, Code Pink and The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation. Although the embassy appeared to remain closed, a minimal police presence stayed to watch over the picketers.

Chants included calls to close the embassy and to end aid to Israel. Many protesters carried quickly made signs ranging from, "Let Gaza Live: End the Israeli Occupation" to, "Israeli Apartheid Kills;" and despite the weather, one protester braved a full reaper costume while remaining silent.

As of 5 p.m., organizers planned to move the protest down to in front of the White House by c
do you think they needed a permit and do you think the
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2010, 08:41:17 PM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo[/youtube]

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2010, 09:02:53 PM »
Go on barack, lets here you condemn Israel now, asshat.
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2010, 12:48:57 AM »
The next ship has already left Turkish waters.

It will arrive by WEDNESDAY.

It's called the MV RACHEL CORRIE (lol)

I hope Israel swiftly conducts Operation Caterpillar.

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2010, 04:39:44 AM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo[/youtube]

You can actually see them trying to use paintball guns toward the end of the video.

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2010, 08:47:59 AM »
I pretty much shrug my shoulders at these planned pieces of propaganda, and no doubt most Israelis do too. There's just no point in getting upset at the "world's" reaction any longer; there's no point in expecting even a scintilla of fairness from these people. It's not as if they--the Eurotrash who are at root anti-Semites and the openly anti-Semitic, murderous Arabs and Moslems--can hate Israel any more than they already do. Israel will maintain the blockade, weather the storm, and that will be that. Egypt will pay a stiff price in the end for lifting the blockade on their side of Gaza, as they've already done. Mubarak is playing with fire; he'll be allowing Islamists more of a power base in Egypt, if they can more easily operate to smuggle through Egypt. There's no way Egypt can avoid that outcome if they allow this.

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2010, 09:41:34 AM »
Just saw the video on FNC. Those folks are lucky the commando's left anyone alive. Especially after the Israeli commando got thrown overboard. In reality that thing should be a ghost ship floating around on open water.
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2010, 11:07:53 AM »
At least 10 dead, now.

Not enough! They should have sent every one of these ships to the bottom of the Mediterranean and the antagonizers occupying them too! How long can you tread water, you terrorist sympathizing pieces of excrement?

This whole damn thing was a stunt to break the blockade! How can anyone disagree with Israel's reaction after seeing the video of this BS?

Turkey has some explaining to do in my opinion! No other country has allowed a flotilla to leave their port with this kind of intention. They knew this would happen! Turkey has a dream of rebuilding the Ottoman Empire. Don't think this is the way to go about it. If anyone needs to be held accountable, it's Turkey and it's terrorist enabling politicians!
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2010, 11:16:51 AM »
I pretty much shrug my shoulders at these planned pieces of propaganda, and no doubt most Israelis do too. There's just no point in getting upset at the "world's" reaction any longer; there's no point in expecting even a scintilla of fairness from these people. It's not as if they--the Eurotrash who are at root anti-Semites and the openly anti-Semitic, murderous Arabs and Moslems--can hate Israel any more than they already do. Israel will maintain the blockade, weather the storm, and that will be that. Egypt will pay a stiff price in the end for lifting the blockade on their side of Gaza, as they've already done. Mubarak is playing with fire; he'll be allowing Islamists more of a power base in Egypt, if they can more easily operate to smuggle through Egypt. There's no way Egypt can avoid that outcome if they allow this.

  Got to be said Godot that for some reason Isreal reminds me of how we Americans founded what was once the Greatest Nation on earth.  I say once as I am a realisist.

Our ancestors came here to a land that was totally unused by humans, as did the Isrealies that went into their new home.  Both began as a refruge from religious precursion at the begining then turned into an oppurtunity to make wealth.

Both of us had to fight the wandering tribes that desired our goods and all we had worked for.  Hard work and blood spilled led both of us to a good life and then foreign countrys came in to take over.  

Both countrys have faced the unthinkable in brutality from our enemys and still kept going for a dream of freedom.

Only difference is  the time line and the culture at the time.  As much as we believe the history we are told in school and movies, it was the womans decision to load her kids in a wagon and face the unknown.  

These woman knew what would happen to them and their family if caught by the Indians but were willing to shoot from the hip themselves.  Their 8 year old sons and daughters were trained to reload a weapon.

 The Isralies in this time trained 13 year old kids to take a machine gun apart and put it back together blindfolded.

Yah freedom had to be fought for at the price of blood and guts.

Tody we take in this country freedom for granted to the point of harm to society as a whole.  What do we care if we loose a few rights as long as we can live the good life.??

Isreal however cannot sit on its ass and demand to be able to live a life of Joy.  They are facing the same Indians we faced 200 years ago but the bow and arrow is now Missels and terror.

Is everyone blind to the fact that if the Jews are taken down then it is a short step to taking down the Christians.??

Every Christian church I have ever attended had a short reading from the old Testament, are we to abandon Jesus a Jew for the life and beliefs of others.?

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2010, 12:00:37 PM »
Here is what I don't get. Why doesn't Israel make Gaza Strip and West Banks part of Israel and Palestinians under Israeli rule. The Palestinians are living under a dictatorship that feeds hate day in day out. I see the Palestinians as pawns by other Arab nations, like Saudi Arabia and to some extent Al-Qaeda. Have they done anything for the Palestinians? No! They treat like second class citizens and they could care less for them.

"It's complicated," and while the Israelis don't have totally clean hands in the whole debacle, those of the Palestinians leadership (If you can call it that) are even dirtier.  True, the Palestinian pseudo-government doesn't really do jack to fix things in its own inefficient, half-assed Arab way, but on the other hand it's not like the Israelis intentionally do anything positive for the populace there either, on top of which the IDF periodically zooms in and blows the shit out of something or other, so it's not like the average Palestinian has a tough time figuring out who to root for.

On the Israeli side, they have an ambivalent relation with the cheap-labor-for-shitty-jobs which the Palestinians offer, much like us and Mexico, but they don't want to actually own the territory (Which is why it was just 'Occupied' for 30 years, disenfrachising the inhabitants from the sovereign nations on either side of them) since if they made it part of Israel, they'd have to give a bunch of non-Jewish people voting rights, which is the last thing they want to do...especially non-Jewish people with a high birth rate.

A blockade is only as strong as the blockader's will to enforce it, and nobody is legally bound to obey it.  The consequences of not doing so, of course, normally lead to shooting.  It's a line in the sand, or sea really, declaring a blockade does not afford the blockader any special legal rights.  Like an ultimatum, it is a trigger point for when armed force will be used to achieve a policy objective.         
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2010, 04:02:11 PM »
I agree entirely that next time Israel should just sink any ships that try to break the blockade, but, since in reality we know they won't, is there any reason they couldn't rig up and maneuver some "drone" ships to simply block the ships from entering these waters, or use some other method that makes it impossible for the invading ship to physically continue sailing in? Then it would be these bastards' choice of whether or not to smash themselves on another ship or not.

Or--

How deep are these waters? Could Israel create artificial "reefs" by dropping enough junk/rocks?

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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2010, 04:58:46 PM »
Stolen from FR:
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2010, 07:15:28 PM »
Sec. Clinton condemns the Israeli flotilla raid. (video)
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2010/06/01/bts.clinton.israel.gaza.flotilla.cnn   

Note I edited this..... Hillary walks a fine line does not come out directly but CNN does in its headline.
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Re: Israel: At Least 10 Killed on Gaza Flotilla
« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2010, 07:18:00 PM »
I condemn the flotilla, now it's even.
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