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Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« on: May 25, 2010, 08:02:47 AM »
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/25/kagan-foreign-law-trumps-con-law/

Solicitor General Elena Kagan's nomination to the Supreme Court should founder unless she adequately explains why she quite literally put "International/ Comparative Law" ahead of the U.S. Constitution. Senators should question Ms. Kagan in great depth about her views on the applicability of foreign law in American courts.

Increasing references to international laws and norms in American courts have become controversial in recent years, and deservedly so. During the confirmation hearings for new Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Ms. Sotomayor tried to weasel away from past support for judges using the "ideas" of foreign law, and she made a rather categorical statement: "Foreign law cannot be used as a holding or a precedent, or to bind or to influence the outcome of a legal decision interpreting the Constitution or American law."

That's right: She said foreign law should not even "influence" a U.S. court decision. That statement is correct, even if Justice Sotomayor's actual record doesn't support it. Ms. Kagan should be held to the standard set by Justice Sotomayor's testimony.

The available evidence suggests that Ms. Kagan's views don't comport with that judicial principle. The first clue came during her confirmation hearings for her current position of solicitor general. Here's what she said: "At least some members of the court find foreign law relevant in at least some contexts. When this is the case, I think the solicitor general's office should offer reasonable foreign law arguments to attract these justices' support for the positions that the office is taking."

Well, no. Even to win a case, it is wrong to argue in favor of something on which it would be wrong to decide. Rather than playing into misguided prejudices of current justices, the solicitor general should argue her position based on the Constitution and laws of our own land, regardless.

The increasingly influential law-and-policy organization Americans United for Life, meanwhile, has raised several other red flags with regard to Ms. Kagan's views on the relative weight of foreign law and the U.S. Constitution. It was under Ms. Kagan's leadership while dean of Harvard Law School, for instance, that Harvard dropped constitutional law as a required course for graduation, while adding a requirement for a course in "International/Comparative Law." The de-emphasis on the Constitution itself is part of a horribly misguided trend in liberal academia. To replace con-law with international law is symbolic of a mindset that runs far afield from the basics of American legal tradition.

In a New Hampshire speech on Oct. 6, 2008, then-Dean Kagan referred to "a transnational perspective" as being "foundational" as "part of the core of legal thought and activity in this new century." The academic jargon is instructive: "Transnationalism" is, in the words of radical State Department counsel Harold Koh, the idea that "domestic courts must play a key role in coordinating U.S. domestic constitutional rules with rules of foreign and international law." Another key supporter of transnationalism goes so far as to argue that "international law is supreme over domestic law."

Senators must ask Ms. Kagan if that is what she means by "transnationalism" being "part of the core" of modern legal thought. If it is, or if it is anything close to it, then she should not be confirmed.

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Re: Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 09:38:31 AM »
She'll be confirmed... the GOP will hardly put up a fight.

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Re: Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 10:02:05 AM »
I doubt she will be asked a tough question

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Re: Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 10:49:53 AM »
She'll be confirmed... the GOP will hardly put up a fight.

They should for so many reasons, not the least of which is to waste as much time as possible until November.

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Re: Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 10:58:40 AM »
They should for so many reasons, not the least of which is to waste as much time as possible until November.

exactly

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Re: Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 12:10:24 PM »
One word: Ginsberg.
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Ginsburg argued explicitly for the relevance of foreign law and court decisions to interpretation of the American Constitution. Ginsburg did not try to hide the partisan nature of this issue; at one point, she referred to “the perspective I share with four of my current colleagues,” and she specifically criticized Justice Antonin Scalia, Judge Richard Posner, and the two bills that were introduced in Congress in 2004 and were broadly supported by Republicans. And she indulged in an outrageous bit of demagoguery, suggesting that those who disagree with her are somehow aligned with Justice Taney’s infamous defense of slavery in the Dred Scott case.

To a large extent, I believe, the critics in Congress and in the media misperceive how and why U.S. courts refer to foreign and international court decisions. We refer to decisions rendered abroad, it bears repetition, not as controlling authorities, but for their indication, in Judge Wald’s words, of “common denominators of basic fairness governing relationships between the governors and the governed.”


Scalia says it best.

That’s the argument of flexibility and it goes something like this: The Constitution is over 200 years old and societies change. It has to change with society, like a living organism, or it will become brittle and break.

But you would have to be an idiot to believe that. The Constitution is not a living organism, it is a legal document. It says something and doesn’t say other things.
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/16/ginsburg-and-foreign-law-in-interpreting-our-constitution/
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Re: Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2010, 12:18:57 PM »
SENATOR SNUGGLE BUNNY: Madam Solicitor General, you wrote at length concerning the precedence international law should hold over the US constitution and while I take umbrage with your ideas that other parties unelected by the American people should hold greater sway over our citizens than their own elected representatives and senators I am compelled to ask: do you believe international law itself is best interpreted according to original intent or should it be considered a living, breathing document open the jurist reconstruction according to the tides of polity?
According to the Bible, "know" means "yes."

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Re: Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 04:34:42 PM »
I doubt she will be asked a tough question

No need to doubt. She won't be asked anything difficult. The so-called conservatives don't have the back-bone...

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Re: Elena Kagan: Foreign law trumps Constitution!!
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2010, 04:43:39 PM »
No need to doubt. She won't be asked anything difficult. The so-called conservatives don't have the back-bone...

Several years ago , she said that prospective jurists should be questioned closely. If she doesn't answer questions, then I hope someone throws that in her face.