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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2010, 11:05:26 AM »
It isn't really about nothing, Thor. Arizona has provided a focal point for a great deal of frustration from the majority who want the border enforced. The near-dictatorship in the WH had this on its near-term agenda, and people knew it. AZ did us all a huge favor, really, and we owe the AZ legislature and Jan Brewer a lot for this. They stalled the Obama agenda on amnesty; put the libs on the political defensive. That their response was so ferocious only underscores how dire and close the danger of a general amnesty law was, and also that they feel frustrated to have lost the political offensive; and the high level of frustration confrims they were near to pulling something off---maybe some Memorial Day and Independence Day votes.  We'd be fools to imagine they wouldn't have blindsided us with this--look how they came back with Obamacare after we thought we were done with it. We shouldn't think for a second that Obama and his fellow travelers in Congress were focusing on cap and trade only as we were told ad nauseam in the press. This admin. loves to pull headfakes.

Isn't the battle for some tiny patch of geography, in a real war, a famous literary metaphor for futility? The hill or meadow that has no intrinsic value that we associate with value in peace time, such as gold in the ground or great pasture land. The truth though is that the rules change in war, and then suddenly, even if the patch of ground does'nt even carry with it a single tactical advantage--and they often do--war is still a zero sum business, sometimes, where geography is concerned. AZ is both literally geography and figurative political geography in this political war, and the fight is anything but futile.

You're not understanding what I actually said. To put it succinctly, Arizona Law merely emulates Federal Law. The "uproar" over the Arizona law is a canard, much ado about nothing, a false flag, media manipulation or whatever you care to call it.

I'm GLAD Arizona  made this law and it got publicized. The more I read, the more I see where the media and the race card players are proving themselves to be idiots. When the DHS Secretary and the A.G. haven't even BOTHERED to read the law that AZ passed, that tells me a lot. I'm wondering if 0bama has bothered to actually READ the law or has he been too busy smoking Calderon's pole and playing golf??

IMO, Calderon is a hypocrite and a liar. Mexico is merely using the US as it's welfare system. Illegals send back BILLIONS of dollars to prop up Mexico's government and financial system.

Is this a fight worth fighting?? Hell YES!!! Quite honestly, I'm ready for the various border states to declare "war" on Mexico, their coyotes and their drug runners. However, our spineless politicians aren't willing to fight the good fight.
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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2010, 11:09:46 AM »
Damn, Sparky, give me a little credit. I realize that many things affect power distribution that are outside of the power company's influence. One of my Facebook friends was complaining last summer about the rolling brownouts and power outages. She lives in California.

Then I respectfully submit that your "friend" hasn't the slightest idea of what she's talking about.  Find me ONE story from last summer regarding rolling "brownouts" or "blackouts".  One of the more recent ones was in September of 2005 when a major transmission line got cut by LADWP workers (I was still there for that.)

http://tdworld.com/news/employee-causes-blackout/

Then there was the one in SD last month.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/utilities/california-grid-operator-investigating-san-diego-blackout/

But she makes it sound like it's a daily occurence, which it is quite the opposite.

Now these guys are quite the tree-hugging moonbats, but even they aren't that alarmist.  4 1/2 hours for PG&E customers--in a WHOLE YEAR?  Oh, noes!!!!  We's all gonna DIE!!!!

http://www.turn.org/article.php?id=606

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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2010, 11:14:06 AM »
Now you're just being arrogant and condescending.....

and, NO, she didn't make it sound like a daily occurrence. She merely stated that she had lost power or had "brownouts"  a few times last summer. Do people lie?? Sure. I see no reason as to why she would, though. Whatever, dude.....
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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2010, 11:46:06 AM »
You're not understanding what I actually said. To put it succinctly, Arizona Law merely emulates Federal Law. The "uproar" over the Arizona law is a canard, much ado about nothing, a false flag, media manipulation or whatever you care to call it.

I'm GLAD Arizona  made this law and it got publicized. The more I read, the more I see where the media and the race card players are proving themselves to be idiots. When the DHS Secretary and the A.G. haven't even BOTHERED to read the law that AZ passed, that tells me a lot. I'm wondering if 0bama has bothered to actually READ the law or has he been too busy smoking Calderon's pole and playing golf??

IMO, Calderon is a hypocrite and a liar. Mexico is merely using the US as it's welfare system. Illegals send back BILLIONS of dollars to prop up Mexico's government and financial system.

Is this a fight worth fighting?? Hell YES!!! Quite honestly, I'm ready for the various border states to declare "war" on Mexico, their coyotes and their drug runners. However, our spineless politicians aren't willing to fight the good fight.


Thor, I did understand your point, and in that limited sense--that the law itself has nothing in it to object to, as it merely mirrors federal law--I agree entirely. I didn't comment on your point directly because I wanted to point out that there was a big something going on here, no matter the content of the law.

We are in 100% agreement on this issue.

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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2010, 12:19:49 PM »
Now you're just being arrogant and condescending.....

and, NO, she didn't make it sound like a daily occurrence. She merely stated that she had lost power or had "brownouts"  a few times last summer. Do people lie?? Sure. I see no reason as to why she would, though. Whatever, dude.....

No, I just have a bad allergic reaction to bullshit.
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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2010, 03:39:41 PM »
which one??? 

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Actually it was Steve Salazar..

That name isn't familiar. Old guy- I'll look him up.  Is JWPrice still getting his name in the paper non-stop? hhaaa

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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2010, 04:09:13 PM »
That name isn't familiar. Old guy- I'll look him up.  Is JWPrice still getting his name in the paper non-stop? hhaaa

Not lately, but I am betting that is because his buddy Don Hill just got sentenced for 18 years.   :whatever:
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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2010, 05:09:44 PM »
Not lately, but I am betting that is because his buddy Don Hill just got sentenced for 18 years.   :whatever:

Just thought of his name. It was Al Lipscomb.

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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2010, 08:28:31 PM »
Just thought of his name. It was Al Lipscomb.

How on bleep did you forget Diane Ragsdale?  They were the triple threat.  :)

Came to visit my class in College, back in 90 or so....
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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2010, 10:19:01 PM »
How on bleep did you forget Diane Ragsdale?  They were the triple threat.  :)

Came to visit my class in College, back in 90 or so....

Oh man- forgot all about her!  Big bunch of winners in that  group  :cheersmate:

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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2010, 10:25:49 PM »
And we all know what THAT means when the wife says that in marital disputes.

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Re: AZ to LA: okay, FINE!
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2010, 11:04:51 PM »
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Not only won't you ever be seeing a cent of this NYer's money (and I was actually thinking of going to Cali next year..that's over, and by the way, I would have definitely have spent some time in SD), every damn sports team or other association that boycotts AZ is invisible to me for now on. To lots of us.

I'll be doing my best not to buy a damn thing that has come from California in protest. I just hope Norv Turner, and the Chargers don't join in on this "Boycott Arizona" lunacy. If they do, they'll be the team I hate the worst. Worse than those other teams in the NFC North. Or even the Colts/Steelers. (Anyone who knows me for very long knows that I loathe both the Colts, and Steelers.)

I will totally refuse to buy anything from their online store, or anything related to the Chargers. Never liked the Raiders or 49ers, anyway, so they can do what they please.

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