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Thoughts on Greece
« on: May 11, 2010, 08:50:39 AM »
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Tue May-11-10 07:54 AM
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Thoughts on Greece
   
I am bewildered by the situation in Greece and its effects on the world's economic system - in so much as one exists. What leaves me agog is that in my near endless ignorance the picture I see is one of the Greek people getting an absolutely royal ****ing while the financial buzzards hover over the corpse anticipating a fine meal.

I never thought of Greece as a wealthy country and when I looked up the average household income for the country the numbers I found averaged out to something in the mid-$20,000 range - which isn't a hell of a lot. I also found out, once again from conflicting numbers, that tourism plays a very large part in Greece's economy, with a low estimate being 40%. And then of course Greece is a "Socialist" country, which in this case simply means that the public utilities are indeed just that, publicly owned. There are myriad reports of corruption and incompetence in the Government too, but the current crisis it would seem from reports, must come from insufficient taxation to cover expenses. The solution being imposed on the Greek people is to increase taxes, decrease services, and the sale of publicly held assets to the private sector.

So, I'm sitting here thinking to myself, "What the ****?" We are lead to believe that the Greek people were foolish enough to simply taxed too little and let the bills pile up and now its payback time. But what it looks like to me is that they were foolish in not taxing tourism to the hilt and let that pay for the services the people of that beautiful land get from their Government. But instead the people, and remember these are not rich people, taxed theselves rather than those who come to their country to bask in the luxury and beauty that rightfully belongs to the Greek people. It also looks to me like the forced sellout of state property and industry is just an assault by the vultures of capitalism eating the flesh of a mildly socialist society; they were never going to let this experiment in rational Government ownership of essential services, like the state electric company, succeed.

And that's how I see it. I see the deep money interests of the world slapping down a little socialist experiment and punishing the people who participated in it for the audacity to try.

Tons of stupid.   :whatever:

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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2010, 08:57:29 AM »
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And that's how I see it.

Oh course you do.  Now run along and play. (Pats Thom on the head like a child and shoo's him away)

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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2010, 09:16:04 AM »
How does it not hurt to be that stupid??

The Greek government was spending too much in pensions, benefits and salaries, too many people worked for the government. More people were riding the wagon rather than pulling it.

Let me put it this way DUmmie. If those "public utilities" were private, they'd be paying taxes right? But they were probably losing money instead. Never mind, why even bother.

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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2010, 09:25:07 AM »
Quote from: FGL on May 11, 2010, 09:16:04 AM
How does it not hurt to be that stupid??


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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2010, 09:36:34 AM »
Greece, socialism's latest success story.
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 09:37:11 AM »
Thoughts.

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What an amusing juxtaposition of opposites.

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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 02:01:43 PM »
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts)  But what it looks like to me is that they were foolish in not taxing tourism to the hilt and let that pay for the services the people of that beautiful land get from their Government.
In which case people quit going to Greece because it's cost-prohibitive you frakking asshat.

Why are such basic economic concepts so difficult for DUmmies to grasp?
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 04:28:56 PM »
Greece is going to get away from the Euro and devalue it's currency, if not there is much pain ahead. But hey that's just me.
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 04:57:26 PM »
I betcha all that free health care is helping to tank their economy.
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 05:26:40 PM »
Quote from: Bondai on May 11, 2010, 04:28:56 PM
Greece is going to get away from the Euro and devalue it's currency, if not there is much pain ahead. But hey that's just me.

There is much pain either way
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 05:50:41 PM »
Quote from: FGL on May 11, 2010, 05:26:40 PM
There is much pain either way

As there will be here.
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 06:06:58 PM »
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dkf  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue May-11-10 08:00 AM
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2. Greece has a culture of tax evasion where even the professionals like doctors get paid in cash
   
And don't report it. The Greek government was trying to get people to ask for receipts so that people would have to report income but it is not something they are used to.
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Government spending on social programs, entitlements and benefits is what doomed Greece you idiot. Socialism ALWAYS fails! It must hurt to be so ****ing stupid.
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 06:13:47 PM »
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Greece has a culture of tax evasion where even the professionals like doctors get paid in cash
   
And don't report it. The Greek government was trying to get people to ask for receipts so that people would have to report income but it is not something they are used to.

They always bring up why socialism fails but never quite connect the dots.  Sorry DUmbasses no matter what 1+1=2 not 3, even if it would be utopia.  No perpetual motion machines either but those would be nice.
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 06:16:36 PM »
Socialism is collapsing and dying around the world, yet the brains at DU and the Brains in Washington STILL believe the problem is socialism just hasn't been done right yet.  We may all be killed trying to find it, but darn it, that right formula is out there somewhere and we must never NEVER give up looking for it.  
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Re: Thoughts on Greece
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2010, 07:19:34 PM »
Quote from: Special Ed on May 11, 2010, 06:16:36 PM
Socialism is collapsing and dying around the world, yet the brains at DU and the Brains in Washington STILL believe the problem is socialism just hasn't been done right yet.  We may all be killed trying to find it, but darn it, that right formula is out there somewhere and we must never NEVER give up looking for it.  

In other words:

"Insanity" is the act of doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.  Therefore:

Liberalism IS a mental disease....
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