It's time to start nationalizing sh*t - Chavez style.

[Attero Dominatus]

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subsuelo  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-03-10 06:37 PM
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It's time to start nationalizing shit - Chavez style.
   
Actually, it's way past time.

The government - OUR government (you know, the government of the people, for the people) needs to start nationalizing some of these fascist corporations. They clearly are NOT taking care of the environment, they're wrecking the economy, they're screwing over working people and robbing us for bailouts when THEY need it. Clearly, they do NOT have our best interests in mind, or *anyone else's*.

When profits are prioritized over people, disaster simply has to follow.

So it is really way past time to start nationalizing these corporations. **** 'em and **** the blind ideologues that cry "no but it's communism!" or some ignorant bullshit. It's time to take over the corporations that are ****ing all of us over, and let the people decide what's best.

Start with the ones that provide basic services.

Actually, start with Exxon-Mobil. That would be not in just our interests, but the environment and the interest of the rest of the world.

Cause honestly, we all (Americans) really should be held responsible at some point if we don't.
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Communism worked so well in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea and Socialism worked so well in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. Only one hundred million people died. Sure, nice idea, NOT!

lxlxlxl  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-03-10 06:41 PM
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1. oh god no...
   
never going to happen, and this country is incapable of even reading your headline. your going to have to win at least a midterm before i trust this country to nationalize anything
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Lyric  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-03-10 06:43 PM
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3. I agree that businesses and industries that are vital to national security
   
ought to be owned and operated by the government, not by a company looking to profit.

Utilities, energy (including mining and drilling), pharmaceutical manufacturing, defense manufacturing, large-scale grain agriculture--all of these things are absolutely vital to our security, and should NOT be in private hands. Let the private market provide non-essential things like furniture, clothes, toys, cosmetics, whatever. The stuff we need to SURVIVE should not be floating around on the whims of a profit-driven, corner-cutting, shortcut-taking private producer.
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The problem with socialism is that governments run out of other people's money. What then, idiot?

AnArmyVeteran  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-03-10 08:34 PM
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39. Well put Lyric, and corporations have ZERO loyalty to countries...   Updated at 2:19 PM
   
Corporations, especially multinational corporations, are more powerful than governments. They have no borders. And they have the resources to purchase governments to do whatever they want them to do. Look at the oil disaster for example of how a paltry $500k switch could have prevented it if we had regulations.

Corporations couldn't care less if any country goes bankrupt or is destroyed. They will continue to operate with their mission driven by greed.

I agree with you 10000000%. We should nationalize everything that is crucial to our defense and our survival. A lot of people forget, but we the people ARE the government. WE need to own the resources of our nation. It belongs to ALL OF US, not just a handful of opportunistic criminals.
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And governments can't be greedy? After all, they do get an influx of other people's money and the stimulus packages were full of funds directed toward the pet projects of various politicians. Idiot.

[Tantal]

The DUmmies would change their tune once they were paying $8.00 for gas and got a $3,000 electric bill. Ya know, I tolerate the DUmmies simply for the comic relief; however, once they're determined to be this stupid, they should be shot at the base of the neck with a small caliber pistol.

[Happy Fun Ball]

Somewhere in what's left of Zimbabwe, Mugabe is reading this post with a huge grin of his face.

[BlueStateSaint]

The DUmmies would change their tune once they were paying $8.00 for gas and got a $3,000 electric bill. Ya know, I tolerate the DUmmies simply for the comic relief; however, once they're determined to be this stupid, they should be shot at the base of the neck with a small caliber pistol.

Naah, they'd be better off beheaded.  It would save ammo.

[The Village Idiot]

Government owned enterprises invariably lose money, and if all companies are government owned whose going to be paying taxes?

They WANT us to become an impoverished 3rd world country.

BTW- Hugo Chavez took over the coffee industry and now they are a net importer of coffee. See how well that worked? lol

[The Village Idiot]

Attero ...

Don't I know you from somewhere?

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

AnArmyVeteran  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-03-10 08:34 PM
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39. Well put Lyric, and corporations have ZERO loyalty to countries...

But they are loyal to customers.

And they are loyal to countries that protect and defend their rights.

This may come as a shock to you liberals but government is chartered by the people to defend their interests from force and fraud and those rights do NOT evaporate just because people come together to form a business concern.

If the government ceases to protect and begins to consume then it has slipped its bonds and must be remediated.

[Lord Undies]

Nationalized by whom?  And what's the point?  Sarah Palin will reverse "nationalization" just like she's going to dismantle the rest of this leftist crap.

 

[blitzkrieg_17]

Try it. I f'n DARE you. It would be a golden ticket for the GOP.

[jukin]

Somewhere in what's left of Zimbabwe, Mugabe is reading this post with a huge grin of his face.

That brought tears to my eyes..from laughing.

I wouldn't come within 350 yards near my shit if you want to take it.

[Attero Dominatus]

jdp349  (185 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue May-04-10 03:37 PM
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90. This never would have happened if big oil had been nationalized
   
If big oil was state run there would obviously be far more stringent saftey and precautionary standards in place to prevent any and all environmental disasters. Corporations always lack perfect information when it comes to assessing risk on top of that they obviously willingly subject themselves to catastrophe, disaster and absolute PR nightmares because they pursue profits above all else no matter how much money it costs them. Government on the other hand, particularly democratic governments always have perfect information and never let popular sentiments and politics interfer in the management of state run institutions. Additionally, because governments have the benefit of hindsight due to perfect information, any blunder privately run industry makes, we can be assured that publically run industry will never make those mistakes. For example, look at the track record of fully nationalized no existent state run big oil in the United States, it's perfect compared to private industry. Therefore you can be sure that I'm not simply contorting this environmental disaster to fit and promote my intellectually bankrupt and absurd ideology. From this it logically follows that we should nationalize Wall St. With nationalized industry nothing bad will happen ever.

see what I did there? :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

I swear to ****ing god I think a good part of DU is convinced these are the people that run BP
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Government is MORE likely to cut corners and compromise safety you dolt. Chernobyl (where the soviets deliberately endangered a faulty reactor design to run a test) is a fine example of government control of energy.

[The Village Idiot]

Government is MORE likely to cut corners and compromise safety you dolt. Chernobyl (where the soviets deliberately endangered a faulty reactor design to run a test) is a fine example of government control of energy.

That is exactly right.

[Ralph Wiggum]

The government - OUR government (you know, the government of the people, for the people) needs to start nationalizing some of these fascist corporations.

Hey lurking DUmmies....explain how exactly corporations are fascist?  Oh that's right, you can't.

[JohnnyReb]

Nationalize DUmmies....I can go for that. Yep, we put them on a collective farm and let them work it all with a hoe and a shovel....easy on the environment, no profits, very little production equals small carbon footprint....they should be delirious with joy.

And best of all, we don't have to put up with their asses.

[The Village Idiot]

Hey lurking DUmmies....explain how exactly corporations are fascist?  Oh that's right, you can't.

Facist being a GOVERNMENT thing.

[blitzkrieg_17]

Government is MORE likely to cut corners and compromise safety you dolt. Chernobyl (where the soviets deliberately endangered a faulty reactor design to run a test) is a fine example of government control of energy.

Government by default f*cks everything up anyway.

[Attero Dominatus]

Government by default f*cks everything up anyway.

LOL yep.

[The Village Idiot]

LOL yep.

Venezuela nationalized the oil industry and are now begging the companies to come back and help them.

[Attero Dominatus]

Venezuela nationalized the oil industry and are now begging the companies to come back and help them.

I have read about that. It is not surprising.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Lyric  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-03-10 06:43 PM
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3. I agree that businesses and industries that are vital to national security
   
ought to be owned and operated by the government, not by a company looking to profit.

Utilities, energy (including mining and drilling), pharmaceutical manufacturing, defense manufacturing, large-scale grain agriculture--all of these things are absolutely vital to our security, and should NOT be in private hands.

Conrade Stalin likes the way you think!  And he also thinks those unproductive small farmers, in it for their own profit, should be rolled up into State collectives for national security reasons...and woe betide any wreckers and Kulaks who resist!

[The Village Idiot]

That is exactly the kind of government they would give us. Millions of Americans would die in the famines to come.

[PatriotGame]

Naah, they'd be better off beheaded.  It would save ammo.

Can we toy with the idea of gougingout their eyes afterwards and skull-****ing their eye sockets?

[BlueStateSaint]

Can we toy with the idea of gougingout their eyes afterwards and skull-****ing their eye sockets?

Only the non-hot chicks.  I'm assuming that we'd want to keep any hotties alive for . . . "stress relief."

[The Village Idiot]

Only the non-hot chicks.

That sounds like a far-fetch assumption has been made.

[BlueStateSaint]

That sounds like a far-fetch assumption has been made.

A couple of things here, sir--

1)  I didn't give a quantity of "non-hot chicks."  One could assume that the number is quite high; even all of them fall in that category to some of us.

2)  The degree of "hotness" varies from person to person.  What I consider hot, you may not.  And vice versa.  And tucker or Airwolf or whomever have their own criteria.

(Besides, that's what ball gags are made for.)