"people don't bow down, it's time again for revolution"

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marmar  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun May-02-10 07:48 AM
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"people don't bow down, it's time again for revolution"   Updated at 7:48 AM
   
from the Guardian UK:



Greece erupts in violent protest as citizens face a future of harsh austerity
May Day clashes in Athens as belt-tightening policies are set to reverse rights won by workers over 30 years

Helena Smith in Athens
The Observer, Sunday 2 May 2010


Athens erupted into violence as traditional May Day festivities turned into a bitter protest against draconian austerity measures aimed at tackling Europe's worst debt crisis in decades.

For the tens of thousands of demonstrators who took to the streets in rallies that quickly descended into clashes with riot police, the show of force was just the beginning – a prelude of the storm that will rock Greece if its Socialist government "caves in" to the dictates of the IMF and enforces policies that have been likened to "the coming of Armageddon".

To make the point, scores of stone-throwing youths chanted "people don't bow down, it's time again for revolution" as a petrol bomb set fire to a police officer in the heart of Athens.

"They say the only way of salvaging our economy is more austerity, but that's a total lie," said Nicolaos Danizis, a 60-year-old shipyard worker participating in a Communist-led demonstration outside parliament. "These latest measures have been cooked up by outsiders and are totally outrageous. They are aimed not at the rich but at the poor. What we are saying here today is that they will pass only over our dead bodies." .........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/02/greece-viol...

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The primitives cheer when this happens in Greece. yet when we have peaceful protests here they call us terrorists.

reggie the dog  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun May-02-10 07:56 AM
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1. "over our dead bodies"
   
I love Europe, I really do. That is a 60 year old, plus you have the teens really involved since the cops killed an anarchist teen a year and a half ago, greece is going to have lots of riots

huh huh hu7h riots are cool Beavis. 
It just stuns me even though I know better that they cheer these goons yet say we are as bad as Tim McVeigh.

deutsey  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun May-02-10 08:24 AM
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2. In America, we shrug and change the channel.
   
:evilfrown:

No we let the govt know what we think but, they don't listen and accuse us of being violent.

[Chris]

"They say the only way of salvaging our economy is more austerity, but that's a total lie," said Nicolaos Danizis, a 60-year-old shipyard worker participating in a Communist-led demonstration outside parliament. "What we are saying here today is that they will pass only over our dead bodies."

Is there some kind of ****ing island or remote location we can ship all these assholes off to?  "I want free shit, I don't care what the consequences are!"  Assholes, leeches, and parasites, all of them.

I hope that police officer is okay

[Vagabond]

What the idiot in Greece doesn't understand, and the idiots on DU cheer him on for, is that Greece is dire straits.  The government of Greece went out and partied on everyone else's dime figuring they could make Germany pay to keep them solvent when the bartender called in the tab.  Well, they guessed wrong.  Bankers don't give money away, and they don't lend it for nothing, and a blind fool could look at Greece's balance sheet and know it's not a good idea to lend them anything. 

It's either the austerity measures enacted now, or sovereign default in a few months followed by ten to fifteen years of no economic growth after which if their debt is low and their economy is in order they might get loans again.  If the DUmmies loaned money to someone and that person defaulted would they loan money to that person anytime soon?  It's no different between banks and nations.

[The Village Idiot]

The IMF is now offering $146 billion for Greece... down the hole.... and some of that will come from the US

[Randy]

Methinks someone overspent on their Olympics Moneypit.

[NHSparky]

****in DUmmies always keep wanting a culture war, but they keep forgetting which side has the guns.

[diesel driver]

****** DUmmies always keep wanting a culture war, but they keep forgetting which side has the guns.

Let them start something, and we will remind them of that fact very quickly.... 

[jukin]

Politically motivated violence, still an exclusive of the left.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Methinks someone overspent on their Olympics Moneypit.

Not really, they could overcome a one-time splurge like that over time, the problem is runaway entitlements.  Greek workers apparently retire on government-supported pensions at age 50 and the amount they are paid is also makes our Social Security program look like a kid's allowance by comparison, it's a high percentage of their income during the actual wage-earning years.  Then there are all the other social benefits provided like medical care to boot.

Given modern lifespans, every Greek worker is basically taking two or three times more out of the social welfare system than they could put into it even with nearly-confiscatory taxes at every level, and non-wage-earning members of society like traditional stay-at-home wives aggravate the obvious economic black hole even more.  Most workers will be drawing retirement benefits for longer than they actually worked in their careers.

It can't work as currently structured.  They would either have to have to have an average life expectancy of about 56-62, or a birth rate like colonial America coupled with equally unbounded opportunity to employ it, for any such generous entitlement programs to work for more than a couple of decades at best.   

[Chris]

3 dead as anti-austerity riots erupt in Athens

ATHENS, Greece – Riots over harsh new austerity measures left three bank workers dead and engulfed the streets of Athens on Wednesday, as angry protesters tried to storm parliament, hurled Molotov cocktails at police and torched buildings. Police responded with barrages of tear gas.

The three bank workers — a man and two women — died after demonstrators set their bank on fire along the main demonstration route in central Athens. As their colleagues sobbed in the street, five other bank workers were rescued from the balcony of the burning building.

"A demonstration is one thing and murder is quite another!" Prime Minister George Papandreou thundered in Parliament during a session to discuss the spending cuts he announced Sunday — measures even the IMF has called draconian. Lawmakers held a minute of silence for the dead — the first deaths during a protest in Greece since 1991.

Dead bankers make DUmmies happy.

[BlueStateSaint]

3 dead as anti-austerity riots erupt in Athens
Dead bankers make DUmmies happy.

The rub is, the three dead were probably low-wage earners, too.

[thundley4]

The rub is, the three dead were probably low-wage earners, too.

Well, there you go. They should have been out rioting in support of the government union workers.

[The Village Idiot]

The rub is, the three dead were probably low-wage earners, too.

Those are the 3 that did not have access to the VIP balcony I guess. The Greek bank a little top heavy?

[AllosaursRus]

Not really, they could overcome a one-time splurge like that over time, the problem is runaway entitlements.  Greek workers apparently retire on government-supported pensions at age 50 and the amount they are paid is also makes our Social Security program look like a kid's allowance by comparison, it's a high percentage of their income during the actual wage-earning years.  Then there are all the other social benefits provided like medical care to boot.

Given modern lifespans, every Greek worker is basically taking two or three times more out of the social welfare system than they could put into it even with nearly-confiscatory taxes at every level, and non-wage-earning members of society like traditional stay-at-home wives aggravate the obvious economic black hole even more.  Most workers will be drawing retirement benefits for longer than they actually worked in their careers.

It can't work as currently structured.  They would either have to have to have an average life expectancy of about 56-62, or a birth rate like colonial America coupled with equally unbounded opportunity to employ it, for any such generous entitlement programs to work for more than a couple of decades at best.   

This is exactly what the little Goons at Skin's Island wants from the "Bummer"!

I have to admit I took a cruise thru town to see if we had any May Day protesters lurking about the courthouse. Nothin', nada!

Hmmmmmm.......me thinks the true northwest is home to the smart illegals! I'd have done my best to run a few over. That, and I'm positive we would have a counter protest across the street with the majority of the crowd armed to the teeth!

[LC EFA]

Is there some kind of ****ing island or remote location we can ship all these assholes off to?  "I want free shit, I don't care what the consequences are!"  Assholes, leeches, and parasites, all of them.

I hope that police officer is okay

Antarctica.

[BlueStateSaint]

Antarctica.

Soaking wet, as the Soviets would do to their politically condemned.

[Attero Dominatus]

Is there some kind of ****ing island or remote location we can ship all these assholes off to?  "I want free shit, I don't care what the consequences are!"  Assholes, leeches, and parasites, all of them.

I think they should be made to live in North Korea. They should experience the end result of the socioeconomic system they support so dearly.

[Chris]

Sounds good to me.  Maybe we can work out an exchange program with Dear Leader.

[The Village Idiot]

Liberals and Food for Dissidents Exchange Program