The Thread That Will Make You Stab Liberals in the Face with a Hammer

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I will suspend my usually perky commentary to say: If you lurking ****tards REALLY believe insurance companies, Wall Street brokers and the US in general are as bad if not worse than what the Taliban do then perhaps you need to get out from behind you computers built by publically traded corporations and get your asses down to Pakistan where I will be happy to meet you to discuss moral ascendancy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8237934

dixiegrrrrl  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 04:03 PM
Original message
" I knew people died because of what I did, but I needed the money"
 the confession of a Pakistani youth who was paid by our government to place homing devices
in Taliban houses so drones could locate and bomb them.

"19 year-old Habibur Rehman made a videotaped “confession” of planting such devices, just before he was executed by the Taliban as an American spy.
“I was given $122 to drop chips wrapped in cigarette paper at Al Qaeda and Taliban houses,” he said. If I was successful, I was told, I would be given thousands of dollars.”

But Rehman says he didn’t just tag jihadists with the devices.
“The money was good so I started throwing the chips all over. I knew people were dying because of what I was doing, but I needed the money,” he added.

Which raises the possibility that the unmanned aircraft — America’s key weapons in its covert war on Pakistan’s jihadists and insurgents — may have been lead to the wrong targets."

The homing/spy devices are about as big as double A battery.
See article about how they are used to locate and target drone strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
And how innocent people become the targets.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/06/spy-chips-guidi...


and see accompanying article which points out the CIA is operating the drones:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/04/drone-pilots-co... 

Turbineguy  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 04:28 PM
Response to Original message
2. He could have 
 had a successful career on Wall Street if this is true.
Watch Dick Cheney's funeral at my house. Big screen TV, champagne, 6 foot sandwiches and a wood floor for those who wish to tango.

dogday   (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-29-10 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Or the Insurance companies for that matter
 killing indiscriminately for the money. Reminds me of the Insurance Companies.

superduperfarleft (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. Or the military. n/t

The Damned (43 posts)      Fri Apr-30-10 05:43 AM
Response to Reply #2
33. BANG!
 You nailed it!

BANG! Go suck-start a .357

NeedleCast  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 04:55 PM
Response to Original message
4. I'm sure that confessions made at gunpoint are valid
 Prayer - Your way of telling god his plan is wrong

 

RaleighNCDUer  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. OTOH, if you know they're going to kill you anyway, why lie? nt

NeedleCast  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Because there are ways to die and some are a lot more painful than others
 This was a Taliban tactic we heard about a lot in Afghanistan. Confess to a crime (even if you weren't guilty) and you'll be granted a quick death. Say anything else and they kill you nice and slow...and maybe kill a few family members too.

Not saying this is what happened, but we're talking about the Taliban after all.
Prayer - Your way of telling god his plan is wrong

 

RaleighNCDUer  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. OK, there is that, but do you think the Taliban would really push a
 false confession that exonerated the US for mistaken targeting of civilians, putting all the blame on the kid? The US drones were bombing what they believed to be legitimate targets, and the confession makes it clear it was NOT the fault of the US (except in instituting the 'pay for target' deal in the first place). I don't see what the Taliban would gain by it.

 

glitch (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Imposing the death sentence for entire families based on the judgment of a paid kid
 doesn't exactly absolve the US.

RaleighNCDUer  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Hello? He was told to mark legitimate targets. The drones attacked
 the marked targets. The drones, the US forces, did NOT mark the targets. It was NOT a matter of spy-eyes misidentifying a target. If the kid didn't mark them, they would not be hit.

The civilians were killed by the kid's targeting them. The US forces had no reason to believe they were not legitimate targets. The US was not 'imposing a death sentence for entire families' - it was attacking targeted enemies.

Was it a stupid program, and a ****ed up operation? Of course. The difference is, the US forces thought they were doing the right thing, while the kid knew he was doing the wrong thing.

Intent counts. The most the Taliban can make of this is as an example of American stupidity, not American malice.

 

glitch (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #12
25. Stupid, or war crime? FYI collective punishment on civilians = war crime.
 Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 08:37 PM by glitch
Oh, and hello!

edit: and for intent to even kind of work you have to prove due diligence. How likely is that with paid to target? Take your time, think about it.

JoeyT  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-30-10 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #6
39. Which would be a lot easier to act morally superior about
 if we hadn't done more or less the same thing.
Except the killing part. We just kept on torturing people regardless of what they confessed to.

MUAD_DIB  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-29-10 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. Or if you though they might let you live, or they tortured you, then you'd
 Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 06:22 PM by MUAD_DIB
say anything they wanted you to.

Example: GITMO.

Tierra_y_Libertad  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-29-10 05:16 PM
Response to Original message
8. Our humanitarian CIA would never resort to such things. Just look at their record...oh, wait. 
 Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 05:17 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
"Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people's brains and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead." - Arundhati Roy

dixiegrrrrl  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. No one seems to notice or care that it is the CIA doing the killing
 by controlling drones.
I guess I should be happy we have dispensed with the pretense that the CIA was not actively
engaged in anything like that.

I guess.
I've taken a vow of poverty. To annoy me send money.

Tierra_y_Libertad  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-29-10 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. Tom Clancy has his followers on DU. 
 You know, those CIA killers, are really nice guys with wives and kiddies and puppies

. 

AnArmyVeteran  (918 posts)        Thu Apr-29-10 06:00 PM
Response to Original message
13. Did he come from Wall Street? They do anything to make money too. 
 No difference in targeting people to be blown up and destroying the financial lives of people resulting in death because they have no jobs or health insurance.
Peace... comfort...

jtrockville  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. My first thought when I read the OP title: ENRON

proteus_lives  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-30-10 05:52 AM
Response to Original message
35. Not surprising. This is what intelligence agencies do.
 CIA does it, MI6 does it, MSS does it, DGSE does it, Mossad does it, ISI does it, FSB does it.

It's how the game is played. The CIA is paying people to do things, the Taliban/Al Qaeda is paying people to do things.
"For centuries philosophers and theologians have debated what it means to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple. To be human is to choose."

Hannah Bell (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-30-10 05:52 AM
Response to Original message
36. " I knew people died because of what I did, but I needed the money"
 could come from the lips of most big business & political leaders

 

Incitatus  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-30-10 06:04 AM
Response to Original message
38. Just like the same shit that happened with Abu Ghraib

 

KG (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-30-10 10:43 AM
Response to Original message
40. unlike those bloodthirsty taliban, americans are justified in killing innocent civilians

 
 

[dandi]

Just when you think they can't go any lower....

You know, there really is no longer a point in trying to be civil or show these anti-America fools the error of their ways, is there?

[Carl]

The picture of true evil.

Everyone of them can go **** themselved with a pitchfork.

[Boudicca]

I wonder why NeedleCast is hanging out with this bunch of 
I wouldn't want to stab any of them in the face, just ship them to Afghanistan, since apparently the USA is too vile to live in.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

...I wouldn't want to stab any of them in the face, just ship them to Afghanistan, since apparently the USA is too vile to live in.

The virtue of that would be they would then be in a legitimate war zone where we could stab them in the face with M-4s and 2000lbs bombs.

[Boudicca]

The virtue of that would be they would then be in a legitimate war zone where we could stab them in the face with M-4s and 2000lbs bombs.

 

[DumbAss Tanker]

RaleighNCDUer  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-29-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. OK, there is that, but do you think the Taliban would really push a
 false confession that exonerated the US for mistaken targeting of civilians, putting all the blame on the kid?

What can you really do with people who are that ****ing stupid, except pray that they don't breed, teach, or vote?

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

What can you really do with people who are that ****ing stupid, except pray that they don't breed, teach, or vote?

 

I think KSM should be held in his house and then numb-nutless can report back as to whether he really thinks KSM is just some hapless goat-****er we detained and framed.

[HACKSAW]

I wonder why NeedleCast is hanging out with this bunch of 
I wouldn't want to stab any of them in the face, just ship them to Afghanistan, since apparently the USA is too vile to live in.

Ship them to Afghanistan with one of those homing devices in their rectal cavity.

[BlueStateSaint]

Ship them to Afghanistan with one of those homing devices in their rectal cavity.

Therein lies the rub.  They'd probably enjoy something like that in their rectal cavities.

[diesel driver]

Ship them to Afghanistan with one of those homing devices in their rectal cavity.

MY THOUGHT EXACTLY!   

I was just about to post that very thing....   

[diesel driver]

Therein lies the rub.  They'd probably enjoy something like that in their rectal cavities.

They won't enjoy what will follow the homing device, but then again....   

[Red October]

Oh good God.    Taliban thugs stick a gun in some kid's face and make him confess to killing nuns and babies at America's behest before murdering him, and these idiots fall all over themselves cursing America.  Like the "confession" is really valid, and the Taliban thugs weren't the real war criminals.  And these are the same idiots who wail and gnash their teeth every time we pour a bucket of water on an Al Queda chieftain's head.    

Let these spoiled blowhards live for one day under Taliban rule, and they'll be begging for some good ol' American warmongering.  

[Red October]

They won't enjoy what will follow the homing device, but then again....   

You know how the choppers were playing Ride of the Valkyries in Apocalyspe Now?  We could play this for the DUmmies

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Let these spoiled blowhards live for one day under Taliban rule, and they'll be begging for some good ol' American warmongering.  

Good luck getting us to take the little shitstains back.

[zeitgeist]

Good luck getting us to take the little shitstains back.

A wise bunny once postulated the following:

Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on April 27, 2010, 10:07:01 am

Why are libs quick to call for military troops in a US city but can't seem to find the spine to use the troops to oust terror-sponsoring maniacal dictators or even holding our own national borders?

The majority of them romanticize about life in the stone age. Their tingly parts become all aglow at the thought of such things as knights and dragons they live fantasies.   He77 most of them can't even figure out what if any sex they actually are.  Afghanistan is just the place for them. Back to the earth, at one with nature.  And, if they should end up more a part of the earth's makeup because of a 2 ton bomb, more's the pity. As fertilizer they would serve a more useful purpose.

[crockspot]

A 19 year old is a youth? Do they call our 19 year old soldiers youths?

[Randy]

A 19 year old is a youth? Do they call our 19 year old soldiers youths?

Noooooo to DUmmies 19yo soldiers are JBT's! 

[dandi]

It tells you everything you need to know about them that they'll unquestioningly believe every word from the mouths of America's mortal enemies abroad, but automatically assume every word from their political foes here at home is a lie.

[AllosaursRus]

What can you really do with people who are that ****ing stupid, except pray that they don't breed, teach, or vote?

 

Unfortunately, these pukes are doing all of the above! We need to promote a DU conference, get 'em all in one stadium and invite the Taliban to have at it!

[ColonialMarine0431]

Makes you almost want to go UA (that's the Marine term for AWOL-Unauthorized Absence) and tell the libTURDS, when the Islamofascists force you to convert to Islam at the tip of a sword, sell your daughters into slavery and make your women wear a burkha, that you can go to Hell when you come begging to the U.S. Military for protection.

These people have no conception about how free they are. That freedom wasn't won by a pen, but by a sword. Countless men and women gave their lives in the name of Freedom, and these ****ers take the side of the enemy? Some people say "Well, that's what we fight for. Freedom of speech. Even if it means freedom to attack those that defend us". I say No.

[GOBUCKS]

19 year-old Habibur Rehman made a videotaped “confession” of planting such devices, just before he was executed by the Taliban as an American spy.

An execution is capital punishment carried out by a legitimate authority.
When the Taliban or any other raghead organization kills someone, it is not an execution, it is a murder. 

[kenth]

A 19 year old is a youth? Do they call our 19 year old soldiers youths?

It depends on the dummies' motives. They're either baby killing murderers or "our children" being sent over to die.

[sofa king]

its spring.

and every spring we are overrun with ticks here, in my neck of the woods.

you feel them crawling on you.  you pick them off and squash them.

pretty much like liberals.  blood sucking parasites.  *smash*

heh!

[BlueStateSaint]

its spring.

and every spring we are overrun with ticks here, in my neck of the woods.

you feel them crawling on you.  you pick them off and squash them.

pretty much like liberals.  blood sucking parasites.  *smash*

heh!

It's almost time for the arrival of The Official Insect of the Adirondacks^TM--the black fly.  But, they die fairly quickly, unlike The Leftist Undead.