If I was a typical Mexican, I'd be here illegally.

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IndianaJoe  (87 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Apr-24-10 02:27 AM
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If I was a typical Mexican, I'd be here illegally.
   
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 03:03 AM by IndianaJoe
Is it a bad thing to want a better life instead of a hopeless one? As for those extolling doing it "legally", do any of them know what it takes to "be legal" and how long a Mexican ordinarily has to wait to come here legally? Answer: It's tremendously difficult for a typical Mexican to even get a visa to come here to visit. Unless he has a U.S. spouse, the waiting line for an immigrant visa is generally more than 10 years.

Once they come here, my experience is that most Mexicans do everything they can to get legal. In general they are hard working, very family oriented, ambitious, and usually make fine citizens. They are the sort of people we want. Also, their being here helps assure people of my age that they'll get their social security pensions.

I'm not for throwing open the borders, but I also have strong feelings about social justice. Those who said in previous posts that the question "is illegal immigration a bad thing" is unnuanced are absolutely right. This sounds like a question Lou Dobbs would ask. Personally, when I think about the contributions that illegals have made and are making to this country, my general attitude would be that, on balance, illegal immigration is probably not such a bad thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8207045

What exactly is a typical Mexican anyway? If I said If I was a typical African American the lefties would throw a fit.

I tell you what DUmmies if you want being here illegally to not be a crime petition the feds to change the law. It's that simple. If you think the process for coming here is too hard then ask the govt to make the process easier. I am willing to bet if our govt decided to streamline the process for Mexicans and others to come here to work us conservatives would be ok with it if we let in only the people who will come here and follow the law.

Using the logic this DUmmy is. I could say that earning money is a hard and long process so why should it be illegal for me to speed up the process and hold up the local 7-11?

Once again we are shown that liberalism is all about taking the easy way. If you have to actually work for anything then it just isn't fair.

The left is all in an uproar for nothing anyway. Obama will figure out some way to kill this law in AZ. Just like he pushed health care reform on us all. I was taught in school that the Supreme Court decided whether laws were constitutional or not I think Obama was sick the day they taught that in his class. He is taking over the role of the SC by trying to figure out how to kill this bill.

 

[Celtic Rose]

It is no more difficult for a Mexican to come work in the US than people from any other country.  In fact, thanks to NAFTA, there is even a special category for Canadians and Mexicans to come here and work in certain positions.  Yes, it may take longer to get a Green Card (though most Chinese and Indian workers have an even longer wait), and a family based green card can take quite a while, but bonafide skilled workers don't have issues.

What they meant to say is that it is difficult for non-skilled, non-agricultural workers to come to the US legally, and honestly, it should be.  We have plenty of people in the US who can do "unskilled" work, such as food processing, cleaning, landscaping, etc.  If there was really a need there, we could create a visa category, but as it stands, there is no such need.  My mom cleaned hotel rooms when she was younger, and so could plenty other Americans.  Yes, they'll demand a reasonable wage, but I would think that the liberals would support that.

[JohnnyReb]

   My mom cleaned hotel rooms when she was younger, and so could plenty other Americans.  Yes, they'll demand a reasonable wage, but I would think that the liberals would support that.

OH NO NO NO....liberal politicians don't want their voter base getting ahead.... got to keep wages low so their voters will be dependent on them for handouts.

[NHSparky]

OH NO NO NO....liberal politicians don't want their voter base getting ahead.... got to keep wages low so their voters will be dependent on them for handouts.

Liberals don't give a shit for a "living wage" other than the fact that a certain percentage of it goes to fatten up union coffers.

Case in point--a few years back, ACORN (gee, how you know they'd figure in somehow?) was pushing a petition to get a "living wage" issue on the ballot in Santa Monica.  HOWEVER, they appealed to the CA Labor Board for an exemption to minimum wage laws because, as they claimed, they couldn't AFFORD to put enough folks on the street to gather signatures if they paid the minimum wage, let alone the "living wage" they were pushing for.

Irony--they're so stupid, they don't even recognize it.

[Lord Undies]

It has been my experience that illegally occupying Mexicans do not work for substandard wages.  "Low wages"  is a myth - or useful lie - that must be perpetrated in order to add to the chaos the left needs to survive.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.

[NHSparky]

It has been my experience that illegally occupying Mexicans do not work for substandard wages.  "Low wages"  is a myth - or useful lie - that must be perpetrated in order to add to the chaos the left needs to survive.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.

In some industries, that's true.  However, in construction, a lot of illegal labor has undercut the wages of previously legal workers, such as carpentry, framing, etc.  It's also generally shitty work.  Also look at the meat packing plants in the southeast and midwest and how the unions there were busted using illegal labor, at which point the average pay went to hell.

[Wineslob]

Where is the cry for Mexico to improve conditions for it's citizens?

[NHSparky]

Where is the cry for Mexico to improve conditions for it's citizens?

No, no, no...can't do that now...that'd be racist.

[crockspot]

IndianaJoe must be a typical white person.

[Carl]

Is it a bad thing to want a better life instead of a hopeless one?

I thought according to all DUmmies the USA was the worse place in the world to be?

[Lord Undies]

In some industries, that's true.  However, in construction, a lot of illegal labor has undercut the wages of previously legal workers, such as carpentry, framing, etc.  It's also generally shitty work.  Also look at the meat packing plants in the southeast and midwest and how the unions there were busted using illegal labor, at which point the average pay went to hell.

Construction is the industry of which I am familiar.  My observation was based on that knowledge.   

[Lord Undies]

Oh, by the way....I was outside this morning when the county truck came by to collect the garbage.  All THREE on the truck were WHITE men.

"White guys--doing the jobs illegals won't do"

[delilahmused]

Wow, a whole lot of stereotypical ignorance in that post.

Cindie

[Lord Undies]

Wow, a whole lot of stereotypical ignorance in that post.

Cindie

My post?  Them are fightin' words!   

[delilahmused]

My post?  Them are fightin' words!   

No, in the DUmmie's post.

Cindie

[Tantal]

Where is the cry for Mexico to improve conditions for it's citizens?

That's what I want to know. Mexicans supposedly come here for a better life, yet, as soon as they can vote, they vote for policies that made Mexico a shithole that they wanted to escape from. It boggles the mind.

[Duke Nukum]

I thought America was an evil, racist country that perpetrated inequality and sexism whilst drafting poor young men to go and kill brown people in foreign countries?  Why would any DUmmie want to leave a paradise like Mexico for America?

[JLO]

"My post?  Them are fightin' words!"

No, in the DUmmie's post.

Cindie

This is a good example of a question I have about posting and reading here.  If a quote is not included in the response post, how can you tell who the post is directed to?  Is there a way - I've tried to figure that out - to no avail.

[thundley4]

"My post?  Them are fightin' words!"

This is a good example of a question I have about posting and reading here.  If a quote is not included in the response post, how can you tell who the post is directed to?  Is there a way - I've tried to figure that out - to no avail.

Generally, unless a person is named or quoted, I assume any comment is directed towards the OP or the subject at hand.  That's especially true in the Dumpster.

[NHSparky]

That's what I want to know. Mexicans Liberals supposedly come here for a better life, yet, as soon as they can vote, they vote for policies that made Mexico (insert liberal shithole) a shithole that they wanted to escape from. It boggles the mind.

See a pattern here?

[JohnnyReb]

"typical Mexican": that would be a Mexican that does like the majority of Mexicans...right? The majority of mexicans are still in Mexico...right? So DUmmie IndianaJoe, feel free to do like a typical Mexican and go stay Mexico.

[IassaFTots]

Generally, unless a person is named or quoted, I assume any comment is directed towards the OP or the subject at hand.  That's especially true in the Dumpster.

Me Too.

[JLO]

Generally, unless a person is named or quoted, I assume any comment is directed towards the OP or the subject at hand.  That's especially true in the Dumpster.

Ok, good then, that's kinda what I thought, but maybe I was missing something in following a thread at CC.

Whew!    Thanks 

[Godot showed up]

I think AZ rocked the Obama admin. back on its heels. They'e on the defensive on this and frankly I think there was, for once, a clever, behind-the-scenes GOP/conservative attempt, one that had some direction outside of AZ, to preempt the illegal migration discussion and not let Obama get away with starting the fight with us having to defend against amnesty. Reid just introduced an amnesty bill; the GOP knew that was coming. Now it's even more toxic than Obamacare.  I mean, we all knew that Obama was going to try to push this before Nov. It looks to me like there was a savvy political move to set the national opinion toward enforcement, not toward defending agaonst Obama and his fellow open-borderites. The GOP went on the offensive, and Brewer is a Delay-class hero.

[DefiantSix]

I think AZ rocked the Obama admin. back on its heels. They'e on the defensive on this and frankly I think there was, for once, a clever, behind-the-scenes GOP/conservative attempt, one that had some direction outside of AZ, to preempt the illegal migration discussion and not let Obama get away with starting the fight with us having to defend against amnesty. Reid just introduced an amnesty bill; the GOP knew that was coming. Now it's even more toxic than Obamacare.  I mean, we all knew that Obama was going to try to push this before Nov. It looks to me like there was a savvy political move to set the national opinion toward enforcement, not toward defending agaonst Obama and his fellow open-borderites. The GOP went on the offensive, and Brewer is a Delay-class hero.

Add to that the fact that Janet Napolitano is completely out of her league as head of DHS, and I'm sure The MessiahnFuhrer has to be looking cross-eyed at her, wondering what he ever thought elevating her out of the Arizona governor's seat was going to buy him.