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Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« on: April 27, 2010, 10:48:34 PM »
"police state"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/27/rubio-criticizes-controversial-arizona-immigration-law/?fbid=IJzNdYDDZeH

Miami, Florida (CNN) - Florida Senate candidate Marco Rubio, an influential Hispanic voice in the Republican Party, warned Tuesday that Arizona's tough new immigration law could have "unintended consequences," but said the legislation is the product of a "law enforcement crisis" going on in the state.

The law, enacted last week by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, requires police to question people suspected of being in the country illegally. Critics of the law argue that it will lead to racial profiling of Hispanics and civil rights violations.

Rubio discussed the bill for the first time after a campaign event in West Miami, where he signed official papers to run as a Republican.

"That's not really something Americans are comfortable with, the notion of a police state," Rubio said of the Arizona bill. "But I don't want to underestimate the level of frustration from a law enforcement aspect that exists in Arizona. You have serious violence crossing the border, and they're fed up. Particularly with federal inaction."

He did not say outright whether he opposes or supports the bill.

But Rubio said that "over time people will grow uncomfortable" with the idea of police officers stopping an individual based simply on a suspicion that he or she is in the country illegally. The Arizona measure, he said, is one reason he believes immigration "needs to be a federal issue and not a state one."

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 11:02:22 PM »
Very intresting thanks for sharing
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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 11:22:23 PM »
"police state"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/27/rubio-criticizes-controversial-arizona-immigration-law/?fbid=IJzNdYDDZeH

Miami, Florida (CNN) - Florida Senate candidate Marco Rubio, an influential Hispanic voice in the Republican Party, warned Tuesday that Arizona's tough new immigration law could have "unintended consequences," but said the legislation is the product of a "law enforcement crisis" going on in the state.

The law, enacted last week by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, requires police to question people suspected of being in the country illegally. Critics of the law argue that it will lead to racial profiling of Hispanics and civil rights violations.

Rubio discussed the bill for the first time after a campaign event in West Miami, where he signed official papers to run as a Republican.

"That's not really something Americans are comfortable with, the notion of a police state," Rubio said of the Arizona bill. "But I don't want to underestimate the level of frustration from a law enforcement aspect that exists in Arizona. You have serious violence crossing the border, and they're fed up. Particularly with federal inaction."

He did not say outright whether he opposes or supports the bill.

But Rubio said that "over time people will grow uncomfortable" with the idea of police officers stopping an individual based simply on a suspicion that he or she is in the country illegally. The Arizona measure, he said, is one reason he believes immigration "needs to be a federal issue and not a state one."

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Typical RINO response, talking out both sides of his mouth at the same time...
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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 07:30:41 AM »
Hi,

Here is the entire text from Rubio's facebook page.  Takes a bit of a different tone when you see it all.  Do not forget he is the son of a Cuban immigrant who escaped Castro.

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04.27.10 | Marco on Arizona immigration legislation
 
“Our legal immigration system must continue to welcome those who seek to embrace America’s blessings and abide by the legal and orderly system that is in place. The American people have every right to expect the federal government to secure our borders and prevent illegal immigration.  It has become all too easy for some in Washington to ignore the desperation and urgency of those like the citizens of Arizona who are disproportionately wrestling with this problem as well as the violence, drug trafficking and lawlessness that spills over from across the border.

“States certainly have the right to enact policies to protect their citizens, but Arizona’s policy shows the difficulty and limitations of states trying to act piecemeal to solve what is a serious federal problem.  From what I have read in news reports, I do have concerns about this legislation.  While I don’t believe Arizona’s policy was based on anything other than trying to get a handle on our broken borders, I think aspects of the law, especially that dealing with ‘reasonable suspicion,’ are going to put our law enforcement officers in an incredibly difficult position.  It could also unreasonably single out people who are here legally, including many American citizens.  Throughout American history and throughout this administration we have seen that when government is given an inch it takes a mile.

“I hope Congress and the Obama Administration will use the Arizona legislation not as an excuse to try and jam through amnesty legislation, but to finally act on border states’ requests for help with security and fix the things about our immigration system that can be fixed right now – securing the border, reforming the visa and entry process, and cracking down on employers who exploit illegal immigrants.”

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 09:01:15 AM »
Typical RINO response, talking out both sides of his mouth at the same time...
I'm not reading it that way.

What I see is some heavily truncated 2-word excerpts. His statement, read in its entirety, isn't a RINO cave-in. It may be somewhat nuanced but if he did NOT pay attention to concerns about violations to civil liberties. ALL politicians should first condsier on ALL matters of legislation whether or not a law adversely effects the liberty of the people.

Consider the liberals by contrast who don't give a flying **** about whether their agenda violates our liberties and refuse to even acknowledge what the COTUS does or does not permit them to do.

In the end Rubio doesn't criticise the law but says it is a spark to ignite immigration reform beyond merely granting amnesty to lawbreakers. Coupled with the concern for liberty I wouldn't want any pol to say anything less.

Of course by doling out such a hack-job of Rubio's statement the reporter did two things:

1) piled-on criticism on AZ, even where none existed

2) diminished the Tea Party favorite in the eyes of his base

Don't be the reporter's patsy.

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 02:01:28 PM »
Mr. Bunny.

1) Federal law requires legal immigrants to carry their greencards at all times.

2) Why is asking them for their greencards now considered "onerous"??

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2010, 02:33:34 PM »
Mr. Bunny.

1) Federal law requires legal immigrants to carry their greencards at all times.

2) Why is asking them for their greencards now considered "onerous"??
Point 1 is absolutely true and I'm not sure what inspired Point 2.

I've no complaint against the AZ law. My only comment is the fed has abdicated its responsibility and ignored its own laws for far too long thus forcing AZ's hand in the matter.

In fact, I wish the law were tougher, i.e. requiring positive ID for voting, renting, jobs, schools, public assistance, medical care, etc.; especially anything that touches upon any institution that receives public money.

I'm simply pointing out Rubio's very sensible comments have been truncated into an out of context monstrosity of their intent and to accept this article at face value is to become the patsy of people who wish to condemn AZ and conservative candidates.

Here is another Rubio statement...in its entirety:

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MARCO RUBIO: “Well, let’s take a deep breath first and realize where we are. This is inevitable that this was going happen somewhere, particularly inArizona. I was there about two months ago and the people there are – this is not even an immigration issue to them. This is a law enforcement issue.You’ve got kidnappings and murders and gang violence pouring over the border in an uncontrolled fashion. The bottom line is the Federal government has completely failed to enforce Federal immigration laws, much less make them stronger and more effective. We have a legal immigration system that doesn’t work. And so it is inevitable that eventually some state was going to take action.

“And I’m not going to sit here and criticize a state that’s taken action, in defense of what they’ve done. I will tell you that I don’t think this is thebest way to have handled it. I think the best way for this issue to ultimately be handled is for the Federal government to do its job. And the job of the Federal government is to enforce the immigration laws we have, to make sure that to the extent we have to come up with new technologies, whether it’s border security or a fence or fixing the visa program – that the Federal government can handle that. You know, the Federal government isinvolved in so many things that are none of its business. This is one the things the Federal government should be involved in. And the fact that it has failed to do it in an effective way has led to this. And we certainly can’t have 50 different immigration policies in 50 different states.

“Now here’s my fear: my fear is that the Obama administration is going to use this as an excuse to go forward with some sort of an amnesty bill. I’ve never supported amnesty. I think amnesty would be terrible for America’s future. Quite frankly, I think amnesty is terrible for legal immigration. If you were to grant amnesty, you will never be able to have a legal immigration system that works in America.

No RINOs there. It's sensible, factual and properly considerate of all the right elements that comprise a people living in a federal republic that values indiviual liberty as well as the rule of law.

It seems a glaring fact that the article in the OP is a hack-job when contrasted with the above statement. No offense to you, only the reporter. If Rubio holds steady on conservative principles he is to be applauded even if that means some blogger at CNN ends up under the bus.
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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2010, 02:47:14 PM »
Tie this hack job in with the upcoming announcement of Crist bolting the GOP to run as an independent, and it looks like the media is trying to influence the upcoming election. Big surprise there.

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2010, 02:51:54 PM »
He still has my vote. Instead of going to a news site to see his stance I went to his website to hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2010, 03:01:54 PM »
I was pawning some video games and I had to show Photo ID. Shouldn't I have to do that when I vote in this police state?

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 03:03:31 PM »
I have to show ID to buy beer.  Damn this sovereign state and its laws!
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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2010, 03:05:23 PM »
I have to show ID to buy beer.  Damn this sovereign state and its laws!
To top that: the day they stop asking for ID is the saddest day of your life.   :bawl:
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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2010, 03:09:05 PM »
I have to show ID to buy beer.  Damn this sovereign state and its laws!

Around here, they ask for ID when you use a credit card, if the amount of purchase exceeds certain limits......

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2010, 04:14:06 PM »
The police can not arbitrarily pull you over just because you might look like an undocumented worker......it is only if they pull you over for a traffic violation or other violations that they can ask you for proof.


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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2010, 05:14:03 PM »
To top that: the day they stop asking for ID is the saddest day of your life.   :bawl:

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2010, 05:32:36 PM »
To top that: the day they stop asking for ID is the saddest day of your life.   :bawl:

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You got that right.  On Saturday I will be 70.  Hell, it is all over when they start giving you the senior discount even when you do not ask for it......and that has happened to me many times.

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Re: Rubio criticizes AZ Immigration Law
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2010, 11:04:20 PM »
Hi,

You got that right.  On Saturday I will be 70.  Hell, it is all over when they start giving you the senior discount even when you do not ask for it......and that has happened to me many times.

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I was 14 years old when I had some 16/17 year old approach me at a convenience store and ask me, "mister, will you buy me some beer?"  Believe it or not, the only time I've ever been "carded" was in the restaurant on my 21st birthday, because the rest of my party was making such a big deal of it.  Other than that; nothing.

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