Conservative's stance on gays

[Lord Undies]

Quote from: fourseasons on Today at 08:57:43 am

4. What I am is supporting is giving same-sex relationships that same benefits that married couples have.

Good luck talking God into that one!

[NHSparky]

the real problem is homophobia in the military.

Spoken like someone who hasn't the faintest ****ing clue of what it's like in the military.

Dear Junior,

As a veteran, as many of us here are (or still serving), I think you owe us an apology for your thoughtless and ignorant statement.

Then you can go play in the ****ing traffic.  I never gave a shit as to the sexual orientation of those around me (and yes, some were gay or bisexual--one guy on my first boat later became HIV-positive) as long as it didn't interfere with the mission.  PERIOD.  For you to use that bullshit excuse pretty much negates any other worthless talking points you may come here to disseminate.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

1.Businesses have the right to hire and fire based on qualifications and job performance.  A business should not be able to fire someone solely based on race, gender, religion or sexual orientation.  Unless being homosexual detracts from your job performance in some way then a business should not be allowed to discriminate.

Do you REALLY want to work for someone who is homophobic?

Really?

Suppose someone has serious moral objections to homosexulaity, do you really want to use the armed force of the state to compel them to accomodate you? Because that is what you are asking. You want the law to give you the power to send the cops after people who don't like you.

2. The patient should be allowed to choose who they are allowed to see not the hospital.  all i'm saying is that gays should be allowed to see their partners when in hospitals in all the same cases that straights are allowed to see their partners.  I realized today that Obama has recently ordered that all hospitals that recieve medicare to allow the patients to choose who is allowed to see them.

Why do you need the armed force of the state to do that?

Why not vote with your feet/dollars? If the demand is big enough the market will provide.

3. I was unaware that being gay meant you could no longer fight.  the real problem is homophobia in the military.

I had 2 gay friends as soldiers in my unit in Florida and a lesbian in my current unit that was very happy to introduce me to her GF this past drill.

STFU unless you know better.

4. Ok first off I am not supporting polygamy or zoofilia what I am is supporting is giving same-sex relationships that same benefits that married couples have.  You said that there should not be any benefits that come with marriage. what about government benefits like receiving social security, medicare and disability benefits for spouses or obtaining insurance benefits through a spouses employer.  same-sex relationships should be given the option to have these benefits as well since love is love.

So, IOW, your stance isn't based on principles but on what is personally convenient to you.

Try "consent of the governed" it's a helluva concept.

Im not listening to any "liberal master" I live in conservative town raised by conservative christian parents.  Im saying this because I feel it is right not because im being pressured by a "liberal master"

Bullshit, you are steeped in victimhood borne of decades of being told you can never make it on your own because life is too fundamentally unfair. You bought that bullshit hook, line and sinker.

If you ever reached a point in your life where you said to yourself, "**** the government and **** what others think, I'm going to be my own man." you would instantly be sacrificing the liberal political power that comes from being a victim but you would be a happier and more productive person for it.

Hell, people like you make me resist their pleas for special status just from spite. If I have to give you things for you to be happy you don't deserve to be happy. Man-up or suffer; the choice is yours. Prove to us you're free enough to make that choice.

thanks everyone for your responses!

meh

[debk]

Do male-female relationships get the benefit of marriage without marriage?  No they don't. I've been in the same relationship for 16+ years. We have no benefits of marriage because we aren't married. NOR DO WE HAVE THE PRIVILEDGES THAT MARRIEDS DO SHOULD ONE OF US BE HOSPITALIZED. Without a notarized power of attorney, specifying one is permitted to be in charge of the other's medical care, WE HAVE NONE! Either one of my children supercede my partner's control over my medical care should I be unable to make decisions for myself without a PoA designating him in control. Both of my children would gladly give him control. However, we have a PoA for me regarding his care, as his children would not allow me to have control.

A gay partnership has every RIGHT to do the same as we have. They just have to draw up a medical PoA, have it notarized, and keep it handy. Any hospital in the country will honor it. 

I have to mean he is asking about two men or two women who are madly and deeply in "love" and want to spend the rest of their lives in a committed, monogamous bliss.

Otherwise he thinks gay shackups are the same as marriage.

[fourseasons]

Hey everyone thanks for sharing all your viewpoints with me.  I feel like I now better understand how conservatives feel about the issue.  I'm happy that people took the time to read what I had to say

I'm sorry if I have said anything that has offended anyone it wasn't meant too

I'm realizing that I don't have time to respond to everyones post so if anyone wants to talk more about this issue you can email me a lespaul403@aim.com

Once again thanks everyone for your time and your responses this has helped me a lot.

much love to everyone please if you want to send me a email do so! and I will respond  as soon as I have  time

[Thor]

So he "runs away" with a lame excuse of not having time. Junior, YOU posted the question. Deal with the answers!! Like Sparky, I had several gay people under my supervision while I was USN. It didn't bother me that they were lesbians. What bothered me was the fact that they were dirt bag Sailors. My job specialty even required security clearances, just as Sparky's did. The "gay" issue was never raised and this was back in the EARLY 80s (80-83 to be specific and at a time when being gay could get one kicked out of the military, period)

And, DebK is right. I was scheduled for surgery on the 15th. I'm not married but have a woman. I drew up a medical power of attorney giving her rights to oversee my medical care. The hospital had no problem with the situation. Unfortunately for me, my blood tests were all out of whack and my surgery postponed.

Like the others have said, most of us simply just don't give a shit if you want to puff on a peter or lickalottapuss. Homosexuals don't want equal rights, they want special rights. You spoke of a wall of separation between the church and the state and YET, you want the state to interfere with the church by forcing gay marriages. As far as I'm concerned, marriage is a religious institution and the state should have ZERO involvement with it. In my opinion, if there's a church out there that will marry a gay couple, then go for it. Just quit pushing your (not yours specifically) gay agenda down our throats!!! Hell, when I was out in San Diego, I even had friends that were gay. No biggie. Just leave me to my preferences and I'll let you to yours.

[rich_t]

Do male-female relationships get the benefit of marriage without marriage?

I have to mean he is asking about two men or two women who are madly and deeply in "love" and want to spend the rest of their lives in a committed, monogamous bliss.

Otherwise he thinks gay shackups are the same as marriage.

I am trying to figure out which benfits he has in mind.

[SilverOrchid]

That was lame.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Apparently homosexuality does not make one open, tolerant...or even remotely respectful of people's private, personal lives:

Three bisexual men are suing a national gay-athletic organization, saying they were discriminated against during the Gay Softball World Series held in the Seattle area two years ago.

The three Bay Area men say the North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance in essence deemed them not gay enough to participate in the series…

Whether the alliance is public or private will likely have to be determined in court, since the plaintiffs characterize the alliance as a “public accommodation” that’s open to the public and uses public softball fields…

Each of the three plaintiffs was called into a conference room in front of more than 25 people, and was asked “personal and intrusive questions” about his sexual attractions and desires, purportedly to determine if the player was heterosexual or gay, the lawsuit alleges.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011657770_lawsuit21m.html

Again, the OP parrots what his masters want him to say about private matters, inclusiveness, blah-blah-blah but in reality the world they seek to run is far different from their propaganda.

[The Village Idiot]

Again, the OP parrots what his masters want him to say about private matters, inclusiveness, blah-blah-blah but in reality the world they seek to run is far different from their propaganda.

100% true

[Texacon]

I always thought that freedom of religion also meant the freedom from religion. there's a separation between church and state. also sects of Buddhism in the united states that celebrate gay marriage aren't you denying them their religious freedom by denying them marriage?

Kind of interesting, for someone with no agenda, to pick and choose what they capitalize.  I mean, looking at your posts it's obvious you know where the shift key is .....

Just sayin',

KC

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

A two-fer:

Veteran Rep. Babette Josephs (D., Phila.) last Thursday accused her primary opponent, Gregg Kravitz, of pretending to be bisexual in order to pander to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender voters, a powerful bloc in the district.

“I outed him as a straight person,” Josephs said during a fund-raiser at the Black Sheep Pub & Restaurant, as some in the audience gasped or laughed, “and now he goes around telling people, quote, ‘I swing both ways.’ That’s quite a respectful way to talk about sexuality. This guy’s a gem.”

Kravitz, 29, said that he is sexually attracted to both men and women and called Josephs’ comments offensive.

“That kind of taunting is going to make it more difficult for closeted members of the LGBT community to be comfortable with themselves,” Kravitz said. “It’s damaging.”

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20100422_In_Pa__House_race__identity_politics_with_a_twist.html

[Red October]

Veteran Rep. Babette Josephs (D., Phila.) last Thursday accused her primary opponent, Gregg Kravitz, of pretending to be bisexual in order to pander to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender voters, a powerful bloc in the district.

As if he's the first Democrat to pander.    Any Republican saying this would be disembowled in the media.  But that fugly old crow gets a pass.  Sure, the local media will bring it up, but guaranteed to be quickly forgotten.  If you want to get away with being able to say almost anything, put a D by your name.    

[Chris_]

What happened to the butt munching pole smoker? Looks like I missed the fun.

[formerlurker]

Every society has standards of sexual conduct. Stop acting like your situation is unique and that you are somehow he only one with expectations being put upon them.

An employer might fire an employee if they found out they were having an affair with a married person. A hospital may refuse the that person visitation if their lover takes sick. The state may even level legal penalties against the married lover. The military can even imprison members who engage in adultery.

IOW: there are standards and those standards do not disappear just because 2 people imagine themselves as having an emotional/sexual attraction.

You do have all the rights of a US citizen. You have the rights to free speech, peaceable assembly, petition for the redress of grievances, to vote when of age of majority, etc etc etc

No one here would move to deny you those rights and they and most would/do fight to defend them.

And while you're sitting there enumerating the rights you want to provide yourself how about asking whether or not the people you're lecturing by acting as a ventriloquist dummie have the right to decide the shape and color of the society they live in. If they have the same political rights as you do to free speech, campaigning, etc then they have a right to vote for candidates that enact laws that regulate when people are old enough to marry, when will the state recognize a marriage and all the enforcements that entails, etc.

If your political agenda cannot secure the consent of the governed then it seeks to rule by dictate.
Love is an act of will, so either you're lying about being in love or you're lying about being gay.

BTW - the bullshit self pity party your masters have fed you denies the fact that countless societies have acculturated homosexuality.

That's what you get for thinking.

Stop listening to the people who want you weak and dependent upon them, stand-up and being a goddam man already. Those idiot liberals masters of yours want you looking to them and them only for your rights and happiness. No one here needs anything from anyone to be happy and productive they do it themselves first and expect not to be ****ed with for it. If you're waiting for gay marriage and a repeal of DADT then--well--you're an idiot and you deserve to go to your grave 70 years from now as a frustrated idiot.

He didn't even touch this one MSB.   Great post.

[JLO]

We all have our crosses to bear.  Homosexuals are not special or unique in any way.  They have the same rights as everyone else.  THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS.  

I have homosexual relatives (cousins - one male, 52 - one female, 70) who have lived quiet and dignified lives, and they are very successful in business.  They lead their lives in the confines of who they are, just like the rest of us.  They are not special.  They are just folks who are homosexual and do not care to have sex with the opposite sex.  That makes them "not normal".  They know this.  They work around it.  They don't expect the world to change for them.

Do you get where I'm going?  Just shut the f*ck up and be who you are.  It's your cross to bear.  Deal with it.  Don't expect the world to conform to you.  You are NOT SPECIAL IN ANY WAY nor do you deserve any special consideration.    

VERY well put 

[littlelamb]

I haven't seen any where here where anyone has asked what his DUmmy name is