The backlash: Reform turns personal

[debk]

Now now PG...you know the 100%'ers on here don't have time for logic and reason when they're in the middle of their "throw them all out they're all alike" BS.


And back to the title of the OP...first off let me apologize for now wading through 5+ pages of stuff to see if this question has been asked and/or answered...but where's the proof?

Other than the word of a bunch of Liberal Dems whom we know will lie to prove their point anyway...where it the proof that any of this alleged violence or threat there of actually happened?

Further how do we know that it wasn't some disgruntled DUmmie...Huffer or Kos Kiddie that did it because they dind't approve single payer.

Til I see something that comes close to actual proof I believe this about as much as I do Slaughter's story about the woman using her dead sisters false teeth.

One of the Fox shows last night....was asking for proof that there was name calling and spitting on the Congress critters on Saturday.

They asked that anyone with a camera cell phone photo/video that showed any of the "nastiness" to please send it in.

As the host said....right now it's a he said/she said....and who knows if it's really true or just made up to cause problems....

[Woodhick]

One is Innocent until proved guilty. Oh wait they wiped their  with the constitution , and flushed it down the toilet, thus that part of justice is eliminated.
The libtards can bite ones finger half off, or physically attack Roy beck , the founder of NUMBERS USA over the weekend at the amnesty rally, with Video to prove he was attacked , yet NOT one media source has mentioned  a word about it. INCLUDEING Fox.

[The Village Idiot]

By the way, Michelle Malkin says all the GOP amendments were tabled by the Senate, even the one to keep the government from giving Viagra to sex offenders (tabled 58-42)

[TheSarge]

By the way, Michelle Malkin says all the GOP amendments were tabled by the Senate, even the one to keep the government from giving Viagra to sex offenders (tabled 58-42)

Probably because it would prevent too many Dem politicos on every level...not to mention the directors of several State level ACLU chapters from getting their little blue pill fix.

[Woodhick]

By the way, Michelle Malkin says all the GOP amendments were tabled by the Senate, even the one to keep the government from giving Viagra to sex offenders (tabled 58-42)

 If this is true, it will add ammo for the conservatives come NOV.

[Ptarmigan]

I can certainly attest to the fact that housing sales sucked in February. Even though I had one sale, I lost 3 listings because no one was looking at them. One was a foreclosure, it went to another agent, price was down to $35,500, from a beginning price in Oct of $44,900, it's still available. One is a flip and they took it off the market to try and rent it. In October, we started with $74,900 and it was down to $59,900 when it was withdrawn. It isn't rented yet, ( she's trying for $700/mo) and she's thinking about putting it back on the market. The other one is a fair market resale, started at $224,900 and was down to $214,900 when we took it off. They are thinking of tearing out the wall between the kitchen and dining room to see if it will help sell it. All of three of these were priced below market value. Our market is just so over saturated that days on market time is increasing and sellers who have to sell are dropping the prices as much as they can even to the point of bringing cash to the closing table.

Our neighbors up the street just listed their house the first of the week at $123 per SF. Two years ago....houses in here, were $250-300 per SF. 

We are just beginning to see the housing market hit the dumper again. Obviously not everywhere in the country will be affected. However, a lot of places will be simply because with the HCB signed, I think we are going to see job loss increase, and in many areas....there are just not the replacement jobs at the same or similar, salary available. Most households that bought houses in the last 10-15 years have bought them based on two incomes. If the larger income is the one that is removed, people are either going to walk away from their houses or lose them to foreclosure through no fault of their own. There are very few lenders who are actually working with people to help keep them in their homes. I don't know who these lenders think are going to buy all these foreclosures going on the market. At least here, there just are no where near as many buyers as there are properties.

At least for all those ARM's that were on 3 and 5 year adjustments, and this is their year, the interest rates have not significantly changed. Yet. 2005 was a booming year for house sales.   

I know housing prices is dropping. I think they said either January or February is the worst ever recorded. I don't see how the economy is recovering, unemployment near 10% or if you take the underemployed and people who gave up, 20%.

Another thing is if there a huge solar flare event on the scale of the Carrington Event of 1859, it will really set the economy back, possibly into a depression, even if the American power grid is not affected. It will have a ripple effect regardless where the flare hits where Earth is facing the Sun.

[5412]

I think the economy will dip again this year. Quite frankly, I don't see much of a recovery anytime soon. Greece is in a sorry state because of their elaborate socialistic welfare program. Bailing them out is not a good idea because it will happen again in the future and will be worse.

Hi,

Just read this morning's Gold and Silver report from Ed Steer at Casey Research.  Seems that Germany and the Euro group has decided NOT to bail out Greece, they referred them to the IMF.  There contention is justifiably so that if they bail them out they will just do it again.

Now as far as the manipulation of the gold and silver markets, following is an excerpt from the report I received today.  Kind of scary.  If you think big brother is not manipulating the markets this will be an eye opener.

regards,
5412


Here's a piece out of GATA chairman Bill Murphy's MIDAS commentary over at lemetropolecafe.com yesterday that will be of interest.

"This morning Adrian [Douglas] and I met with Gordon Liddy of Watergate fame . very nice man. This afternoon it was an interview with BNN's Pat Bolen. "What a coincidence to be meeting with Mr. Liddy today. Late yesterday, GATA's own 'Deep Throat' surfaced. It's a bombshell of sorts, a whistleblower who is confirming what GATA has to say about market manipulation and the bullying nature of The Gold Cartel traders. Evidence of a certain nature will be presented tomorrow by Adrian or me in the Q&A period. I mentioned it in my BNN interview and suggested viewers stay tuned.

"Adrian just informed me [that] the head of precious metals trading at HSBC has bowed out from presenting, instead handing the ball off to a trader who won't have the full deck of information about what HSBC is really up to. Meanwhile, JP Morgan won't be represented at all." END

This 'Deep Throat' character was a surprise to me, as much as it is for you.  I first heard about it when I read Bill's commentary yesterday.  And HSBC USA is sending a second stringer to the hearings today.  I knew that JPMorgan wasn't going to be there... but now the head of precious metals trading for HSBC bows out.  Maybe he didn't want to sit their and have to lie his ass off.  I don't know about you, dear reader, but this stinks to high heaven.

[debk]

"Adrian just informed me [that] the head of precious metals trading at HSBC has bowed out from presenting, instead handing the ball off to a trader who won't have the full deck of information about what HSBC is really up to. Meanwhile, JP Morgan won't be represented at all." END

This 'Deep Throat' character was a surprise to me, as much as it is for you.  I first heard about it when I read Bill's commentary yesterday.  And HSBC USA is sending a second stringer to the hearings today.  I knew that JPMorgan wasn't going to be there... but now the head of precious metals trading for HSBC bows out.  Maybe he didn't want to sit their and have to lie his ass off.  I don't know about you, dear reader, but this stinks to high heaven.[/b][/i]

HSBC is a major mortgage lender. HSBC has had an awful lot of properties here go into foreclosure, primarily in the first time buyer price range..

I have not only had their foreclosure listings, I also do a lot of property analysis reports for them, through a third party company.

Wonder what their stock report looks like.....

[rich_t]

Psst...  The phrase was "A well REGULATED militia"....

Meaning well "functioning", I do believe.

Lord knows that part has been debated about for a very loooooong time.

[Javelin]

HSBC is a major mortgage lender. HSBC has had an awful lot of properties here go into foreclosure, primarily in the first time buyer price range..

I have not only had their foreclosure listings, I also do a lot of property analysis reports for them, through a third party company.

Wonder what their stock report looks like.....

I would like to know that too!  But I have that feeling that so much of these banks/funds and anyone that has managed to allow the government to get their tentacles into them is all a part of this market push north.  I bet if we saw their portfolios we would see a lot of cross supporting taking place.

[debk]

I would like to know that too!  But I have that feeling that so much of these banks/funds and anyone that has managed to allow the government to get their tentacles into them is all a part of this market push north.  I bet if we saw their portfolios we would see a lot of cross supporting taking place.

I can tell you for sure that there is a lot of bank/tax fraud going on....

[ardentconservative]

 People who are doing this kind of shit are Dumbasses,  
 

I don't like vigilantism either, but as someone once said, "when people become desperate and afraid they take desperate measures".  I for one think that if "desperate measures" are taken the Democrats have brought it on themselves by their highhanded and statist policies.  The American people spoke, and spoke loud and clear, and the Democrats ignored that and did what the people said they didn't want done.  When you start threatening peoples families, especially when you start threatening a families ability to survive, people resort to "desperate measures".

After all, isn't that what the American Revolution was all about.  People taking "desperate measures."

[Javelin]

I don't like vigilantism either, but as someone once said, "when people become desperate and afraid they take desperate measures".  I for one think that if "desperate measures" are taken the Democrats have brought it on themselves by their highhanded and statist policies.  The American people spoke, and spoke loud and clear, and the Democrats ignored that and did what the people said they didn't want done.  When you start threatening peoples families, especially when you start threatening a families ability to survive, people resort to "desperate measures".

After all, isn't that what the American Revolution was all about.  People taking "desperate measures."

I agree and it is a natural reaction within a Republic when the people are ignored.  It is also one of the TRUE reasons why politicians and how politicians are held accountable within a Republic.  BUT!  Its not the right way, nor the right time. 

Let the states do their thing.  File suit, strengthen the bulwark and as more bs comes down we need the states to continue on this path.  Sooner or later the issue will be the States verses the Federal Government.  When that fails, grab your guns.

[DefiantSix]

I agree and it is a natural reaction within a Republic when the people are ignored.  It is also one of the TRUE reasons why politicians and how politicians are held accountable within a Republic.  BUT!  Its not the right way, nor the right time. 

Let the states do their thing.  File suit, strengthen the bulwark and as more bs comes down we need the states to continue on this path.  Sooner or later the issue will be the States verses the Federal Government.  When that fails, grab your guns.

Oh believe me buddy, I'm CLINGING to my guns and my God...   

[PatriotGame]

There's no doubt what you believe in, PG. Anarchy.

It's a good thing that cooler heads are prevailing. You strike me as being hotheaded and out of control. That's fine, everybody needs to blow off steam once in a while.

And leave my nuts alone -- while my youngest child is in her mid-20s and I'm definitely done having young 'uns, I like having Bert and Ernie around a while longer, thanks.

Anarchy! Yes! Because we disagree!
Snort....

I am no where near a hot head but I do fully believe that being a slug and sitting around using the same tactics (passive voting, praying, wailing), that have done ZERO to help us is becoming more and more useless.
We are dealing with "no compromise" leftists here and sitting back and continuing to allow them to bloody our noses as we pray for their souls will not work.
This is exactly the same mindset as we see with he Islamic terrorists.
It is based not on laws, not on moral values, not on someone's love for their nation. Rather, it is based on an IDEOLOGY combined with the mental illness of liberalism that drives these cocksuckers.
Look at the last eight years of the Bush administration: The 24/7  negative media onslaught was horrendous. Every time any person was interviewed by the media or hollyweird, for any reason, they were always asked what they thought of President Bust. If the response was negative, it was always printed. Even Jethro Tull's leader Ian Anderson was asked about his thoughts on President Bush during a 2006 concert tour in America. Of course Ian responded he did not agree with Bush's policies and his comments made MTV/VH-1/Rolling Stone Magazine headlines. WTF does a man in leotards prancing around a stage playing a flute have to do with the war on terrorism?

The point is, even if the Republicans take the House or Senate in 2010 AND the White House in 2012, the negative media, Moveon.Org, and democrat congress attacks will only get worse!
The fag-ass CNN's Anderson Cooper will continue his "Tea-Bagger" hate-filled rhetoric against Conservative Americans. College "professors" will continue their Ward Churchill rhetoric and INCREASE it.

Do you really ****ing think that voting in a Republican majority in 2010 will change the left?
Do we march on Washington? Hardly! But at least I am realistic enough to KNOW that just putting a Republican majority in Congress in 2010 and in the White House in 2012 will change nothing.

You are a willfully ignorant moron, nothing more, nothing less...little nuts et al.

[PatriotGame]

Let him speak for himself, Jav. He got all worked up in a tizzy, so it would appear, ably assisted by John Barleycorn. Again, it's all good.

But even those who profess to be drunk when they're ranting are spouting the truth as they understand it.

You know -- in vino, veritas.

Just because I am honest does not lessen the gravity of my concern. I have the same thoughts and passions either with our without alcohol. I just may "represent" them slightly different while imbibing. Either way, it does NOT lessens or reduce the validity of my concerns and my RIGHTS to shove them in someone's face either way.

I agree there is nothing wrong with throwing back a few several then ranting here but look at my past here. I do have a history of being quite in-your-face and non-politically correct when posting here.

[PatriotGame]

I share the same experience as you.  I live out in the country.. well... some say in the middle of nowhere lol.  I have a couple neighbors a few football fields away.  I have spoke with close friends that also are coming around and seeing what I am doing.  

When I first came out of service, I didnt even own a weapon.  Now I am armed to the teeth.  Everything from armor piercing ammo (yes its legal in my state   )to portable solar panels for recharging communication gear.  Out in the country where I am at you need these things anyway or your potentially putting your families life on the line.  Well the AP ammo (Yes AP is legal in my state   ) may not be needed, but anyway you know what I am saying.

Heirloom seeds are a must.  Also knowledge of how to get a gas engine to run off of wood gas is imperative.  Basic tools a must.  Topo maps (good for hunting too), and at least 3 months canned food supply.  People better be learning to can food if nothing else.  Just get a pressure cooker, a basic recipe book and buy some stuff from your local farmers market to start with.  Good knowledge.

It takes time to get things together, but its doable and people will be more confident for it.  The Libs will think we are crazy but hey this is how our grandparents lived.  For them, it was normal.  I have had several people already ask if they could come to my place if the SHTF.  I know them well and said sure, hey I have the extra rifles anyway and if I am lacking any my neighbor has enough for a friggin platoon.

For the uninitiated a book called "Back to the Basics" is a good start on many things.

Coast to Coast AM Radio:
I do most of the same. Have several types of backup/redundant power sources, radios including the new triple trunking radios, food supplies, and water and NO ONE knows about any of it.
A good place to start: http://www.survivalblog.com/

[Hawkgirl]

PG is right in a way....the leftist pigs will not change.  The leftists are more vocal and they control more media outlets.  
That's why we must support these tea party demonstrations and join them in their plight.  I'm surpised it took so long for conservatives to mobilize...but I'm glad they did...eventhough coverage of these tea party protests are highly under-reported.  Meanwhile every little liberal protest made front page news.....

Carry on..

 

[PatriotGame]

By the way, Michelle Malkin says all the GOP amendments were tabled by the Senate, even the one to keep the government from giving Viagra to sex offenders (tabled 58-42)

Don't worry - the dems are this nation's friends and have our best interests in mind.

[Eupher]

Anarchy! Yes! Because we disagree!
Snort....

I am no where near a hot head but I do fully believe that being a slug and sitting around using the same tactics (passive voting, praying, wailing), that have done ZERO to help us is becoming more and more useless.
We are dealing with "no compromise" leftists here and sitting back and continuing to allow them to bloody our noses as we pray for their souls will not work.
This is exactly the same mindset as we see with he Islamic terrorists.
It is based not on laws, not on moral values, not on someone's love for their nation. Rather, it is based on an IDEOLOGY combined with the mental illness of liberalism that drives these cocksuckers.
Look at the last eight years of the Bush administration: The 24/7  negative media onslaught was horrendous. Every time any person was interviewed by the media or hollyweird, for any reason, they were always asked what they thought of President Bust. If the response was negative, it was always printed. Even Jethro Tull's leader Ian Anderson was asked about his thoughts on President Bush during a 2006 concert tour in America. Of course Ian responded he did not agree with Bush's policies and his comments made MTV/VH-1/Rolling Stone Magazine headlines. WTF does a man in leotards prancing around a stage playing a flute have to do with the war on terrorism?

The point is, even if the Republicans take the House or Senate in 2010 AND the White House in 2012, the negative media, Moveon.Org, and democrat congress attacks will only get worse!
The fag-ass CNN's Anderson Cooper will continue his "Tea-Bagger" hate-filled rhetoric against Conservative Americans. College "professors" will continue their Ward Churchill rhetoric and INCREASE it.

Do you really ****ing think that voting in a Republican majority in 2010 will change the left?
Do we march on Washington? Hardly! But at least I am realistic enough to KNOW that just putting a Republican majority in Congress in 2010 and in the White House in 2012 will change nothing.

You are a willfully ignorant moron, nothing more, nothing less...little nuts et al.

    Oh, it's you again.  Okay, hotheaded little man, you've resorted to name-calling. Sir Keyboard Kommando, does that make you feel powerful? Righteous? Honorable? Protecting your right to spew your garbage? 

You know nothing but your own emotions, PG. When you decide to come back down to earth with the rest of the human race, let your momma know.  I'm sure she'll take interest.

I hope you've got your hiking boots ready, because when you finally do blow your gasket and you start your childish "revolution", you're going to need to hike above the treeline to avoid the boyhunt.

[Javelin]

   Oh, it's you again.  Okay, hotheaded little man, you've resorted to name-calling. Sir Keyboard Kommando, does that make you feel powerful? Righteous? Honorable? Protecting your right to spew your garbage?  

You know nothing but your own emotions, PG. When you decide to come back down to earth with the rest of the human race, let your momma know.  I'm sure she'll take interest.

I hope you've got your hiking boots ready, because when you finally do blow your gasket and you start your childish "revolution", you're going to need to hike above the treeline to avoid the boyhunt.

There are more here that agree with what PG is saying than you realize.  Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak.  I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.  

What scares me is the mentality of the conservative movement.  When a system has been infiltrated and then infected by an enemy, you cannot keep utilizing the same tactics to win.  They have already overcome any and all obstacles that you can throw at them when they achieved the power they have and everyone should realize that when they have just finished kicking us in the nuts and telling us to shut up.  But no, its back to the game of "elect my xyz man from xyz political party" and that party most commonly here is Republicans.  

This system cannot be saved from Washington.  This system can only be saved at home, where we sit.  Get out of debt.  Reduce dependence on government not just in our homes but our neighbors as well.  If your debt load requires you to take unemployment checks... get out from under it.  How in the hell can people change anything when they are already owned by the system.  Until we have a place to stand firmly without dependence and demand what we want for we do not need them, we are useless.

Its more than politics, its how we think, live, teach, raise our children and see our lives.  The politicians that will be elected in the near future are useless.  They all still come from that same old school singing that same old line and it makes me want to vomit when I see more star struck idiots following them to their demise.  

Sweep your own front porch before you rip someone else.  Take the local action needed, not just in local politics but in education and working within your community.  

I get sick of hypocrites.

[Chris_]

There are more here that agree with what PG is saying than you realize.  Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak.  I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.  

I get sick of hypocrites.

You might want to lighten up a bit Javelin......actually, I would prefer more than a bit.....

Eupher served as well, so you might want to keep it civil.....

doc

[Ptarmigan]

There are more here that agree with what PG is saying than you realize.  Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak.  I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.  

What scares me is the mentality of the conservative movement.  When a system has been infiltrated and then infected by an enemy, you cannot keep utilizing the same tactics to win.  They have already overcome any and all obstacles that you can throw at them when they achieved the power they have and everyone should realize that when they have just finished kicking us in the nuts and telling us to shut up.  But no, its back to the game of "elect my xyz man from xyz political party" and that party most commonly here is Republicans.  

This system cannot be saved from Washington.  This system can only be saved at home, where we sit.  Get out of debt.  Reduce dependence on government not just in our homes but our neighbors as well.  If your debt load requires you to take unemployment checks... get out from under it.  How in the hell can people change anything when they are already owned by the system.  Until we have a place to stand firmly without dependence and demand what we want for we do not need them, we are useless.

Its more than politics, its how we think, live, teach, raise our children and see our lives.  The politicians that will be elected in the near future are useless.  They all still come from that same old school singing that same old line and it makes me want to vomit when I see more star struck idiots following them to their demise.  

Sweep your own front porch before you rip someone else.  Take the local action needed, not just in local politics but in education and working within your community.  

I get sick of hypocrites.

Change starts with us, not in DC and with politicians.

[NHSparky]

Problem is, PG and Javelin, you're LETTING those ri-tards push your buttons, and you're looking very foolish as a result.

All things in due time.  But not now.

[Javelin]

Problem is, PG and Javelin, you're LETTING those ri-tards push your buttons, and you're looking very foolish as a result.

All things in due time.  But not now.

Yeah thats true.  Besides I am used to being the only one that gets into trouble and being called out no matter how many others sling mud.  Someone has to be the red headed step child lol.

Oh well, cheers